Game ovah, Trump's war trade vs China is unequivocally an abject failure.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038714]I think the vaccine saved lives and possibly the only good thing Trump did. The checks though? Not so much. I'm just trying to keep it real as to who did what. Trump pumped out the vaccine in operation warp speed, it worked IMO, but it was him. Biden took it over, and then named it something else.[/QUOTE]

See this is why I say "malfunction".

If you acknowledge that Warp Speed was a good thing, that means you have to acknowledge that the democrats were evil bad faith actors the entire time.

Here is AI's take on the covid vaccine:


[QUOTE]Research and studies show that the COVID-19 vaccines have saved millions of lives globally, though precise estimates vary depending on the time frame, methods, and data sources used for analysis.

Key study estimates

2.5 million lives globally (2020–2024): A 2025 modeling study published in JAMA Health Forum found that COVID-19 vaccinations prevented an estimated 2.5 million deaths worldwide between December 2020 and October 2024. Most of the lives saved were among people aged 60 and older.

2.4 million lives globally (first 8 months of 2021): A 2023 study published by the University of Southern California and the National Bureau of Economic Research estimated that vaccines saved 2.4 million lives across 141 countries in the first eight months of the global vaccination campaign. Had the vaccines been distributed more equitably, over 3 million lives could have been saved.

14.4 to 19.8 million lives globally (first year): A highly cited 2022 study in The Lancet Infectious Diseases estimated that 14.4 million deaths were prevented by vaccines in their first year. If excess deaths were included, that number could rise to 19.8 million.

Over 3 million lives in the U.S. (up to November 2022): The Commonwealth Fund concluded that the U.S. vaccination program prevented over 3 million deaths and 18 million hospitalizations from December 2020 to November 2022.

1.4 million lives in the WHO European Region: A 2024 WHO study reported that more than 1.4 million lives were saved in the European Region through January 2024, with older individuals benefiting the most.

Factors affecting estimates

The variations in these figures depend on several factors:

Time frame: Studies that include a longer duration, such as the JAMA Health Forum study covering 2020–2024, arrive at a different estimate than those focused only on the first year or two of vaccination.

Scope: The figures can differ based on whether they cover the entire global population, a specific country, or a particular region.

Methodology: Different modeling approaches and assumptions about vaccine effectiveness, the lethality of various COVID-19 variants, and how infections and deaths were reported can impact the results. Some analyses focus on reported COVID deaths, while others account for excess deaths.

Population demographics: The benefits of vaccination were not evenly distributed. Studies consistently show that the majority of lives saved were in the highest-risk group—people aged 60 and older.[/QUOTE]


So yeah, you should want Trump to take credit on that. But you don't because your tribe is a bunch of dumb hicks who all think science is poison and the vaccine was a trick to depopulate the Earth or something :oldlol:

So you try to pin the one good thing he did on Biden.

So you acknowledge that the democrats were lying and were bad faith actors then?

You acknowledge they lied about Warp Speed? You acknowledge they lied about the origin of Covid?

On another note, how funny is it that I accuse a woke lib of "malfunctioning" and it his immediate default response is to run to ChatGPT like the NPC bot he is.

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038718]So you acknowledge that the democrats were lying and were bad faith actors then?

You acknowledge they lied about Warp Speed? You acknowledge they lied about the origin of Covid?[/QUOTE]
Maybe some of them, but generally speaking? no.

Covid did come from a lab, studying bat viruses in Wuhan. And overall the Dems were pro-vaccine. I'm sure you can cherry pick some instances where they weren't, but Biden took over where Trump left off on that.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038719]On another note, how funny is it that I accuse a woke lib of "malfunctioning" and it his immediate default response is to run to ChatGPT like the NPC bot he is.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

ChatGPT >>>> tribal dumb shit based on nothing

I cited that because me just saying it (what you are doing) means nothing

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038720]Maybe some of them, but generally speaking? no.

Covid did come from a lab, studying bat viruses in Wuhan. And overall the Dems were pro-vaccine. I'm sure you can cherry pick some instances where they weren't, but Biden took over where Trump left off on that.[/QUOTE]

The democrats were pro-vaccine AFTER the election, not before. You refusing to acknowledge that once again means you're either a huge liar or you suffer from dementia.

[url]https://x.com/WeGotIt2k/status/1736832349974016158[/url]
[url]https://x.com/SteveScalise/status/1419768960745099265[/url]

^ Sorry, not going to let you rewrite history.

You're malfunctioning.

[QUOTE][B]During Donald Trump's first term (January 2017 to January 2021), the Democratic party's position was consistently in favor of vaccination.[/B]

However, Democratic lawmakers expressed significant concern about the potential for political interference in the vaccine development process, especially as the COVID-19 pandemic unfolded during 2020.

Key points on the Democrats' position:

Trust in science, not the President: As COVID-19 vaccine development was accelerated under "Operation Warp Speed," Democrats publicly insisted they would trust the approval process only if it came from independent scientists at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), not from President Trump. They worried that the Trump administration was rushing the process for political reasons.

Criticism of the rollout: In early 2021, before Trump's term ended, Senate Democrats heavily criticized the administration's slow and uncoordinated COVID-19 vaccine rollout. They demanded that the federal government provide more guidance and resources to the states to speed up vaccine administration.

Opposed to Trump's rhetoric: While Democrats supported the established process and ultimate goal of vaccination, they expressed concern over President Trump's rhetoric, including his past embrace of disproven anti-vaccine theories. Before his 2017 inauguration, Trump met with prominent anti-vaccine critic Robert F. Kennedy Jr., raising concerns among public health officials.

Personal vaccination rates: During the COVID-19 pandemic, strong partisan differences emerged in vaccine behavior. Polls conducted in 2021 showed that Democrats had significantly higher vaccination rates compared to Republicans.

Democrats' support for vaccination during the Trump presidency aligned with the party's long-standing pro-vaccine stance, which is based on public health science. The controversy that developed during Trump's term centered on the politicization of the COVID-19 vaccine and the process of its development, rather than Democrats opposing the concept of vaccination itself. [/QUOTE]


ChatGPT >>>> making shit up

I just provided you two different video examples of democratic leaders publicly disavowing Warp Speed.

Here they are again in case you missed them, don't worry I have you covered.

[url]https://x.com/WeGotIt2k/status/1736832349974016158[/url]
[url]https://x.com/SteveScalise/status/1419768960745099265[/url]

[quote]
[B]"If and when the vaccine comes, it's not likely to go through all the tests and trials that need to be done..."[/B]
- Joe Biden
[B]
"When we finally do god willing get a vaccine, who's gonna take the shot? Who's gonna take the shot!? You gonna be the first one to say sign me up???[/B]
- Joe Biden

[B]"I think it's going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be...."[/B]
- Andrew Cuomo

[B]"We can't take the president at his word and take a vaccine that might be harmful to us..."[/B]
- Ilhan Omar
[/quote]

Are you sure you're not malfunctioning?

Because it looks like you're malfunctioning.

That is what ChatGPT said, the Dems were pro-vaccine, but just questioned the "warp speed" part.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038733]That is what ChatGPT said, the Dems were pro-vaccine, but just questioned the "warp speed" part.[/QUOTE]

^ NPC bot is malfunctioning.

"Must. Obey. Command"

"Must. Ignore. Evidence."

[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/NPC_wojak_meme.png[/IMG]

Yeah, myself and ChatGPT are malfunctioning. It's definitely that and not just you.

:roll:

I posted you [B]video[/B] of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and other prominent democrats... disavowing the vaccine and insisting it wouldn't be safe for public use.

You're malfunctioning.

They are questioning the "warp speed" part like ChatGPT says. When taken out of context it looks like they are just anti-vaccine. But really we all know that is ridiculous, and you are the only person I have ever seen trying to declare that Dems are anti-vax.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038743]They are questioning the "warp speed" part like ChatGPT says. When taken out of context it looks like they are just anti-vaccine. But really we all know that is ridiculous, and you are the only person I have ever seen trying to declare that Dems are anti-vax.[/QUOTE]

Lol, this isn't a larger conversation about vaccines. I'm not saying the democrats have a broad and general "anti-vax" stance, but it's obvious they used Covid as a bludgeoning tool against Trump and the thought of him being able to take credit for a vaccine right before the election was something they couldn't risk. So they needed to make it look like Trump was rushing a vaccine to market in order to "bail himself out" before the election.

Would you say that's accurate?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038750]Lol, this isn't a larger conversation about vaccines. I'm not saying the democrats have a broad and general "anti-vax" stance, but it's obvious they used Covid as a bludgeoning tool against Trump and the thought of him being able to take credit for a vaccine right before the election was something they couldn't risk. [B]So they needed to make it look like Trump was rushing a vaccine[/B] to market in order to "bail himself out" before the election.

Would you say that's accurate?[/QUOTE]
made it seem?

you yourself believe the vaccine was rushed :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038765]made it seem?

you yourself believe the vaccine was rushed :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

It was rushed, which is why I said I would never take it. I didn't just blindly follow orders because the president said I should.

It should also be worth noting that all Trump ever did was make a recommendation. He never mandated it or coerced anyone. That's what you guys did. First you said it was rushed, then you immediately tried to force it on everyone.

You can't have it both ways. Clearly you're a huge fan of the vaccine. You probably got vaccinated at least four times when you factor in booster shots. So it's obvious you thought the vaccine was this great and wonderful thing. Okay so that means Trump was right and the democrats were lying and fear mongering purely for political gain. At worst they tried to scare millions of people into not taking a shot that would have saved their life and protected them from a deadly virus.

But you don't seem bothered by this at all.

In hindsight? Not rushed obvously lol. I mean, it worked. Trump got it out asap during a time when covid was fresh and actually pretty dangerous especially to elderly who really needed that vaccine. Dems voiced concern, which was fine.

I get boosted like every other week. I pee vaccine.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038773]In hindsight? Not rushed obvously lol. I mean, it worked. Trump got it out asap during a time when covid was fresh and actually pretty dangerous especially to elderly who really needed that vaccine. [B]Dems voiced concern, which was fine.[/B]

I get boosted like every other week. I pee vaccine.[/QUOTE]

Pfizer announced that the vaccine was ready to go just six days after the election. The FDA approved it for Emergency Use Authorization on 12/18/20. The entire democratic party did a total 180 on the vaccine from that moment on, even though just a month prior they were telling the american people to be skeptical and that they shouldn't take it. So where did the concern go?

I know you're low IQ but I don't think you're THAT stupid. It's obvious what the gameplan was. You know it and I know it.

Are you going to argue that Covid came from a bat too? That surgical masks are effective? That natural immunity didn't exist when it came to Covid? That the vaccine prevented transmission? All provable lies brought to you by the democratic party and their deep state cohorts.

Had Trump remained president, I'm almost certain you would be unvaccinated. The democrats would've just continued their smear campaign and did whatever they could to keep Trump from scoring a political touchdown. We don't have to guess or theorize because it's what they were already doing. You would definitely be one of those people who wore being unvaccinated like a badge of honor, mocking and trolling anyone that took it and accusing them of being a Trump cult follower. Again I don't have to theorize because there are countless and endless examples from before the election still up on Twitter.

ChatGPT just told you that the Dems were "consistently in favor of vaccination" during Trump's first term. There was no 180. You are in denial and trying to re-write history :oldlol: I would be vaccinated no matter who was POTUS, left leaning people were very pro-vaccine during Trump's first term, I remember because I was one of them.


this is where covid came from - it was in fact from a bat, in a lab.

[video=youtube;bpQFCcSI0pU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU[/video]

[B]Democrats up until the election:[/B]

"Trump's vaccine is rushed and it can't be trusted. You should be highly skeptical and no one should take it..."

[B]Democrats after the election:[/B]

"The vaccine is Safe & Effective(TM) and if you don't get vaccinated it's because you're an evil monster and you should be fired from your job..."

[B]Off His Meds:[/B]

180? What 180? What are you talking about??


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Why do you folks even respond to Baller? Just block him and don't respond to him. He is both a troll and clueless. Not worth the time or energy responding to.

[QUOTE=bladefd;15038810]Why do you folks even respond to Baller? Just block him and don't respond to him. He is both a troll and clueless. Not worth the time or energy responding to.[/QUOTE]

Because you know I'm right.

Joe Biden spent his 2020 campaign claiming you were an idiot if you thought about taking the vaccine. "Are YOU gonna get the vaccine when it comes out?? Are YOU gonna sign up?? Not me Jack..."

And none of you said a god damn thing. Because you were too busy slurping his c0ck. Because you viewed him as the savior and you wanted him to beat Trump.

Then when he became president, Biden did a total 180. Being vaccinated went from being a sign of stupidity to being a sign of purity. If you weren't vaxxed you couldn't even work or go to the movies or go to the gym. He wanted to make the unvaxxed second class citizens. He would even issue warnings during his national address. As usual you were too busy slurping his c0ck.

Seems that no matter what stance the democrats take, even when they are polar opposites and go against what they said just last week, you will slurp their c0ck no matter what.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15038971]Because you know I'm right.

Joe Biden spent his 2020 campaign claiming you were an idiot if you thought about taking the vaccine. "Are YOU gonna get the vaccine when it comes out?? Are YOU gonna sign up?? Not me Jack..."

And none of you said a god damn thing. Because you were too busy slurping his c0ck. Because you viewed him as the savior and you wanted him to beat Trump.

Then when he became president, Biden did a total 180. Being vaccinated went from being a sign of stupidity to being a sign of purity. If you weren't vaxxed you couldn't even work or go to the movies or go to the gym. He wanted to make the unvaxxed second class citizens. He would even issue warnings during his national address. As usual you were too busy slurping his c0ck.

Seems that no matter what stance the democrats take, even when they are polar opposites and go against what they said just last week, you will slurp their c0ck no matter what.[/QUOTE]
You're literally the only person I have ever seen take this stance. Most other anti-vax conservatives state that Trump rushed the vaccine because the left forced him to and he had no other choice. Both stances are dumb but you are alone in yours. And both stances ignore the fact that covid and the vaccine were not isolated the the U.S. but were a world wide issue. China, Russia, the U.K., and U.S. all started administering doses in December of 2020.

It was the left who tried to turn the vaccine into a part of their cancel culture. They tried to bury anyone who wanted to question the vaccine at all and ban them from the greater part of society if they refused to get it.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038984]It was the left who tried to turn the vaccine into a part of their cancel culture. They tried to bury anyone who wanted to question the vaccine at all and ban them from the greater part of society if they refused to get it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah baller is suggesting it was the left who was questioning the vaccine and being critical of it. You're both dumb as rocks, and I am sorry you were banned from society and buried and left for dead. But your take is the one I see most righties regurgitating and herding with.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038987][B]Yeah baller is suggesting it was the left who was questioning the vaccine and being critical of it.[/B] You're both dumb as rocks, and I am sorry you were banned from society and buried and left for dead. But your take is the one I see most righties regurgitating and herding with.[/QUOTE]

He's talking about after the election you fukking idiot.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038978]You're literally the only person I have ever seen take this stance. Most other anti-vax conservatives state that Trump rushed the vaccine because the left forced him to and he had no other choice. Both stances are dumb but you are alone in yours. And both stances ignore the fact that covid and the vaccine were not isolated the the U.S. but were a world wide issue. China, Russia, the U.K., and U.S. all started administering doses in December of 2020.[/QUOTE]

Look at this lying phony acting obtuse because his cult masters flip flopped and he has no justification.

You're malfunctioning.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038984]It was the left who tried to turn the vaccine into a part of their cancel culture. They tried to bury anyone who wanted to question the vaccine at all and ban them from the greater part of society if they refused to get it.[/QUOTE]

[i]Which[/i] vaccine are you all talking about?
Because you couldn’t mean them all, right? Because that’d be crazy.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15038978]You're literally the only person I have ever seen take this stance. Most other anti-vax conservatives state that Trump rushed the vaccine because the left forced him to and he had no other choice. Both stances are dumb but you are alone in yours. And both stances ignore the fact that covid and the vaccine were not isolated the the U.S. but were a world wide issue. China, Russia, the U.K., and U.S. all started administering doses in December of 2020.[/QUOTE]
He's whining too much about what happened in 2020, the peak of the pandemic. Even though he wasn't a member in this site yet.

[QUOTE=Chick Stern;15039118][i]Which[/i] vaccine are you all talking about?
Because you couldn’t mean them all, right? Because that’d be crazy.[/QUOTE]

I have you on ignore btw

[QUOTE=Axe;15039130]He's whining too much about what happened in 2020, the peak of the pandemic. Even though he wasn't a member in this site yet.[/QUOTE]

Mutherf*cker your side whines over shit that happened 300 years ago.

You don't get a pass for being a brainwashed lemming because a few years passed. We're still feeling the after effects of your f*ck up. It's not like any of you have admitted you were wrong and apologized. It's the opposite actually, you double down. Off His Meds is now trying to convince us that black is white and up is down. That nobody on the left ever tried to cast doubt on the vaccine before the election. That we should ignore what we saw with our own eyes.

The country was doing great before the virus and you guys destroyed everything. Before that biggest thing you guys were complaining about was Trump's tweets. That's how good we had it. That's not something we're ever going to forget.

Meh. Looks like you're much more concerned with the companies who made those vaccines, not the ones who caused the whole covid-19 mess in the first place. And don't even forget that it all happened under the first term of your orange daddy too. :sleeping

[QUOTE=Axe;15039180]Meh. Looks like you're much more concerned with the companies who made those vaccines, not the ones who caused the whole covid-19 mess in the first place. :sleeping[/QUOTE]

I do take issue with the companies that made the vaccines. The media companies that told you to get vaccinated were all sponsored by them.

[video=youtube;L2LQW1TY0lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2LQW1TY0lY[/video]

And what did you during this time? You rolled up your sleeve. You repeated every lie.

Like i give a lot of damn about those vaccines and encouraged other people to take doses. :oldlol:

Otoh, you're here as if it's still 4-5 years ago and your life still revolving around it.

Move on, sicko.

[QUOTE=Axe;15039186]Like i give a lot of damn about those vaccines and encouraged other people to take doses. :oldlol:

Otoh, you're here as if it's still 4-5 years ago and your life still revolving around it.

Move on, sicko.[/QUOTE]

I have friends who lost their jobs over the vaccine. I know people whose kids couldn't go back to school because of it. I had to get myself a fake vax ID just so I could enter public spaces. That's not even going into the shut downs themselves. Being stuck in the house for months and having to wear a mask everywhere you went. Putting up with all the bullshit rules and regulations, getting into fights with family and friends.

Go fukk yourself you boot licking f@ggot.

And whining about all that shit in an anonymous message board that's seemingly dying is supposed to achieve what exactly? All the more when it's already been years since the inevitable happened.

Yep. Foh bozo.

[QUOTE=Axe;15039190]And whining about all that shit in an anonymous message board that's seemingly dying is supposed to achieve what exactly? All the more when it's already been years since the inevitable happened.

Yep. Foh bozo.[/QUOTE]

You're the ones whining about the economy and trying to shift all the blame onto Trump and his voters. As long you guys bitch and moan about the state of the economy, I'll be here to remind you that it was all your fault.

If you don't want us reminding you, if you don't want us talking about the past, then STFU. Stop trying to blame everyone else and take some accountability for your actions.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15039237][img]https://c.tenor.com/MM3-XemQdEEAAAAC/tenor.gif[/img][/quote]
I don't recall whining about the economy at all as it happened worldwide. But yes, i do blame your orange dad though for letting the pandemic happen during his term. It's a different thing though, you buffoon.

[QUOTE=Axe;15039240]I don't recall whining about the economy at all as it happened worldwide. But yes,[B] i do blame your orange dad though for letting the pandemic happen during his term[/B]. It's a different thing though, you buffoon.[/QUOTE]

We know. All you did the entire time was try to make it all about Trump. Even though the virus had clearly come from China and our own officials had ties to the lab it was leaked from. You didn't want to talk about that though. You weren't ALLOWED to talk about that.

But please Mr. Big Brain Genius, explain to us why it's Donald Trump's fault that Covid happened. Are you saying we should locked down sooner? Okay when should we have started locking down? Trump banned travel from China and the democrats called him racist.

Be specific, tell us how this is was all Trump's fault. What exactly should he have done differently. Give us bullet points.