First 50 point game goes to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Best player in the world

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15039403]And Doncic had a much higher Free Throw Rate on the Lakers than SGA did for last year, smaller sample size but he was also out of shape and sharing the offense with Lebron and Reaves.

Lebron in his prime years also had a similar FTr, actually higher in most of his prime/peak years than SGA did last year. Lebron's Playoff FTr career average is higher than SGA's Regular Season FTr was last year.

SGA isn't anywhere near as bad as prime/peak Embiid or Harden when it comes to foul baiting, he just does it very efficiently so people get pissed about it.[/QUOTE]


Lebron had years where his flopping was just as bad or worse than SGA. Notably 2011-2016. And its even worse because SGA is skinny and kinda weak but Lebron was built like Super Man and still playing like a ho.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039481]Lebron had years where his flopping was just as bad or worse than SGA. Notably 2011-2016. And its even worse because SGA is skinny and kinda weak but Lebron was built like Super Man and still playing like a ho.[/QUOTE]

Crab dribble to him propelling himself off guys who weight 25+ pounds less lmao. Shit was absurd

I understand why people would be frustrated with the whistle SGA gets. Totally.

I just take issue when some people insinuate that that's all he has as a player and that he wouldn't be all that effective otherwise. If anything he doesn't [I]need[/I] a whistle like that to be effective, which I can see is a problem.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15039464]SGay is a nice player but he gets absurd whistle and detracts from his game, at least the appreciation of it. NBA doesn’t realize they are cheapening their product and selling their talent short by gifting them all this shit that isn’t really necessary. Yes we are obsessed with numbers and bigger equals better in a fundamentally flawed outlook but still it ends up shooting themselves in the foot. We would appreciate SGay on 25 ppg with out the absurd whistle and him having to earn more buckets than him pulling 30+ with the equivalent of bumpers on in bowling.[/QUOTE]

Yep

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15039492]I understand why people would be frustrated with the whistle SGA gets. Totally.

I just take issue when some people insinuate that that's all he has as a player and that he wouldn't be all that effective otherwise. If anything he doesn't [I]need[/I] a whistle like that to be effective, which I can see is a problem.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't need it at all. He's a very nice player who's favorable whistle takes him just enough up the ladder that somehow people think he's the best player in the league, which is laughable. Just flat out not true.

Again, he doesn't need it, and that's what makes it worse. If this was Michael Kidd-Gilchrist out there hooking guys, strong arm discharging and baiting refs any way known to man, I could at least rationalize that as a player trying to be relevant and do something to keep himself in the league. Like a Dellavedova diving on the floor and taking players legs out with him. Annoying, but at least it makes some sense.

Instead, we have a really good player supplementing his game with extreme douchebaggery, making a mockery of the game and catapulting himself in the eyes of casuals to "best player in the league" contender status while the NBA tries to ram him and his team down our throats. And then the next guy wants to do the same thing, and then the guy after that, and the guy after that, and then you have a completely garbage product.

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[QUOTE=Proctor;15039494]He doesn't need it at all. He's a very nice player who's favorable whistle takes him just enough up the ladder that somehow people think he's the best player in the league, which is laughable. Just flat out not true.

Again, he doesn't need it, and that's what makes it worse. If this was Michael Kidd-Gilchrist out there hooking guys, strong arm discharging and baiting refs any way known to man, I could at least rationalize that as a player trying to be relevant and do something to keep himself in the league. Like a Dellavedova diving on the floor and taking players legs out with him. Annoying, but at least it makes some sense.

Instead, we have a really good player supplementing his game with extreme douchebaggery, making a mockery of the game and catapulting himself in the eyes of casuals to "best player in the league" contender status while the NBA tries to ram him and his team down our throats. And then the next guy wants to do the same thing, and then the guy after that, and the guy after that, and then you have a completely garbage product.[/QUOTE]

Just out of curiosity, did you take issue with Durant back before the rip-through was cracked down on? He drew multiple fouls a game doing that. And in my opinion that way worse than what SGA does because he's getting foul calls when guys are just in completely standard defensive position. Still considered one of the GOAT scorers.

Kobe pump faking and then jumping into people to get calls? He did that ALL the time. Wade too.

Steph often manipulates his body and arms on 3s to try to draw fouls. Leaning slightly into people when he doesn't need too, exaggerated follow-throughs, etc. It's subtle but he certainly does it. Best shooter of all time. Does he need that?

If you take issue with all of these things then fair enough. At least you're consistent.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15039499]Just out of curiosity, did you take issue with Durant back before the rip-through was cracked down on? He drew multiple fouls a game doing that. And in my opinion that way worse than what SGA does because he's getting foul calls when guys are just in completely standard defensive position. Still considered one of the GOAT scorers.

Kobe pump faking and then jumping into people to get calls? He did that ALL the time. Wade too.

Steph often manipulates his body and arms on 3s to try to draw fouls. Leaning slightly into people when he doesn't need too, exaggerated follow-throughs, etc. It's subtle but he certainly does it. Best shooter of all time. Does he need that?

If you take issue with all of these things then fair enough. At least you're consistent.[/QUOTE]

Wade to a certain degree yea. He didnt get the nickname D-Whistle for nothing. But he also attacked the rim WAY harder. So did Kobe. Their poster and dunk compilation puts SGA to shame. Curry? One of the least foul baiting superstar scorers of all time point blank. You seem to not understand understand nuance and how there's degrees to things.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15039499]Just out of curiosity, did you take issue with Durant back before the rip-through was cracked down on? He drew multiple fouls a game doing that. And in my opinion that way worse than what SGA does because he's getting foul calls when guys are just in completely standard defensive position. Still considered one of the GOAT scorers.

Kobe pump faking and then jumping into people to get calls? He did that ALL the time. Wade too.

Steph often manipulates his body and arms on 3s to try to draw fouls. Leaning slightly into people when he doesn't need too, exaggerated follow-throughs, etc. It's subtle but he certainly does it. Best shooter of all time. Does he need that?

If you take issue with all of these things then fair enough. At least you're consistent.[/QUOTE]
I don't like it no matter who it is, and yes, they are and will continue to be some of the GOAT scorers.

Again, I blame the refs just as much as the player. I don't see any other player [I]right now[/I] getting the same degree of favorable whistle SGA does.

All those calls late in the 4th with the game on the line that is consensus is "you just don't call those"? He gets them without hesitation. Did on opening night vs Durant and fouled him out in the process. Soft bullshit playoff fouls?

[video=youtube;QhzknZ0B0lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzknZ0B0lg[/video]

This kind of shit, OVER AND OVER again, in the playoffs and regular season. How much of that shit should a reasonable person tolerate?

I remember at least one game in the Finals or maybe the WCF last year where he was relatively contained all game and then magically paraded to the foul line in the 4th after being quiet all game.

It's bad, and it's not showing any signs of getting better. Nice casual 40 FTAs for him already two games into the season.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039505]Wade to a certain degree yea. He didnt get the nickname D-Whistle for nothing. But he also attacked the rim WAY harder. So did Kobe. Their poster and dunk compilation puts SGA to shame. Curry? One of the least foul baiting superstar scorers of all time point blank. [B]You seem to not understand understand nuance and how there's degrees to things.[/B][/QUOTE]

:lol

This "there's levels to this shit man" thing that you always say cracks me up. You never apply context yourself and miss things literally all the time.

I explained the instances very clearly what I was talking about. Pump-faking and jumping into defenders is not taking the ball to the rack. Both Kobe and Wade did this all the time.

To repeat myself (because apparently that's necessary with you), Curry absolutely manipulates his body to draw contact at times. It's very subtle but it you watch things in slow motion, he sometimes moves in ways that he doesn't need to when taking jumpers.

Want to talk nuance though? SGA led the league in drives last year by a WIDE margin. Does he get a soft whistle? Sure. But his herky-jerky motions and footwork is difficult for defenders to time and often leaves them out of position

[QUOTE=Proctor;15039507]I don't like it no matter who it is, and yes, they are and will continue to be some of the GOAT scorers.

Again, I blame the refs just as much as the player. I don't see any other player [I]right now[/I] getting the same degree of favorable whistle SGA does.

All those calls late in the 4th with the game on the line that is consensus is "you just don't call those"? He gets them without hesitation. Did on opening night vs Durant and fouled him out in the process. Soft bullshit playoff fouls?

[video=youtube;QhzknZ0B0lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzknZ0B0lg[/video]

This kind of shit, OVER AND OVER again, in the playoffs and regular season. How much of that shit should a reasonable person tolerate?

I remember at least one game in the Finals or maybe the WCF last year where he was relatively contained all game and then magically paraded to the foul line in the 4th after being quiet all game.

It's bad, and it's not showing any signs of getting better. Nice casual 40 FTAs for him already two games into the season.[/QUOTE]



Of course replays on both of these would help, but on the first one it looked like McDaniels very clearly grabbed him on the upper back/shoulder and dragged him down. Blatant foul. Second one it definitely looked like Randle got him on the arm...

Just because player is pissy doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

[QUOTE=Proctor;15039507]I don't like it no matter who it is, and yes, they are and will continue to be some of the GOAT scorers.

Again, I blame the refs just as much as the player. I don't see any other player [I]right now[/I] getting the same degree of favorable whistle SGA does.

All those calls late in the 4th with the game on the line that is consensus is "you just don't call those"? He gets them without hesitation. Did on opening night vs Durant and fouled him out in the process. Soft bullshit playoff fouls?

[video=youtube;QhzknZ0B0lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzknZ0B0lg[/video]

This kind of shit, OVER AND OVER again, in the playoffs and regular season. How much of that shit should a reasonable person tolerate?

I remember at least one game in the Finals or maybe the WCF last year where he was relatively contained all game and then magically paraded to the foul line in the 4th after being quiet all game.

It's bad, and it's not showing any signs of getting better. Nice casual 40 FTAs for him already two games into the season.[/QUOTE]

People really are just lying.

First foul? He realizes he's going to get blocked so he just snaps his own head backwards and throws himself to the floor.

Second foul? Sees he can initiate contact and have it be called a defensive foul in the shooting motion when it was clear he had no intention of shooting there. Throws his arms up in the air in fake exasperation.

People just aren't honest. Gross.

And it also doesn't help that he's a disgusting hershey highway riding fa[i]g[/i]got, but that's aside from basketball.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15039511]:lol

This "there's levels to this shit man" thing that you always say cracks me up. You never apply context yourself and miss things literally all the time.

I explained the instances very clearly what I was talking about. Pump-faking and jumping into defenders is not taking the ball to the rack. Both Kobe and Wade did this all the time.

To repeat myself (because apparently that's necessary with you), Curry absolutely manipulates his body to draw contact at times. It's very subtle but it you watch things in slow motion, he sometimes moves in ways that he doesn't need to when taking jumpers.

Want to talk nuance though? SGA led the league in drives last year by a WIDE margin. Does he get a soft whistle? Sure. But his herky-jerky motions and footwork is difficult for defenders to time and often leaves them out of position[/QUOTE]


You still dont get it my friend. You can point to a manipulation from any player. We're still waiting on Pauks all time MJ flop thread. Are there flops you could pull from him? Sure a couple across 1000+ games. Was it a staple of his arsenal like some others? No. You still dont get it I guess. Playing devil's advocate doesn't work if it exposes your mindset as foolish.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039528]You still dont get it my friend. You can point to a manipulation from any player. We're still waiting on Pauks all time MJ flop thread. Are there flops you could pull from him? Sure a couple across 1000+ games. Was it a staple of his arsenal like some others? No. You still dont get it I guess. Playing devil's advocate doesn't work if it exposes your mindset as foolish.[/QUOTE]

Somebody trying to insinuate that I'm only talking about flops calling me myopic on this issue is again, ironic.

Flopping and foul-manipulation are not the same thing. Flopping is feigning contact when there isn't any or strong exaggeration when there is very little. Sticking your elbow out more than normal on a jumper so that you draw contact is different.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15039395]the difference is SGA anchors his offense around foul bating, much like Harden did and people criticized Harden at the time because he was so egregious with it.

Luka doesn't score with the intention of going to the free throw line.[/QUOTE]
You just want to believe what you want to believe because you like Luka. They calling phantom calls on him. I think he had ljke 13 free throws in one half vs the Wolves last night. Gtfoh with your biased ass.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15039519]And it also doesn't help that he's a disgusting hershey highway riding fa[i]g[/i]got, but that's aside from basketball.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :lol

SGay Alexander

In all seriousness it detracts from the product when have dudes like this lighting everyone up and being a propped up face of the league

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15039413]This this this, thank you!

FYI folks, Kobe had 5 seasons with higher free throw rates than SGA had last year.[/QUOTE]
Preach and let's not even talk about MJ. In 1987 the year he averaged 37 ppg he averaged 12 free throws per game. Shai has never even sniffed that. People need to just stfu already.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;15039538]Preach and let's not even talk about MJ. In 1987 the year he averaged 37 ppg he averaged 12 free throws per game. Shai has never even sniffed that. People need to just stfu already.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you are a Canadian ******? lol

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[QUOTE=warriorfan;15039539]Perhaps you are a Canadian ******? lol[/QUOTE]

You are American. The most hated people on earth.

Dude shot 10/11 inside the arc last night with only 4 free throws. That's what happens when you don't foul him. 6/7 on midrange shots off the dribble last night, 1/1 catch and shoot, 3/3 at the rim.

Lol at people trying to criticize SGA For being unguardable.

I wonder if they're melting down about Wemby shooting 15 free throws today.

He has now only shot 8 free throws TOTAL over the last 3 games. Averaging 27ppg on 55% shooting. Come on now.

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15040038]He has now only shot 8 free throws TOTAL over the last 3 games. Averaging 27ppg on 55% shooting. Come on now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah all the whiners won't have anything to say about that.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15040040]Yeah all the whiners won't have anything to say about that.[/QUOTE]

I didn't watch the games so I can't comment. What do you want me to say?

Every time I watch the guy play he makes multiple plays per game that aren't just flops, they're particularly ridiculous flops where he doesn't even attempt to make a basketball play. Maybe he didn't do that for a few games, I don't know. Or maybe they didn't get called, again, I don't know. I didn't watch.

Stop pretending he doesn't have a foul baiting problem.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15040048]I didn't watch the games so I can't comment. What do you want me to say?

Every time I watch the guy play he makes multiple plays per game that aren't just flops, they're particularly ridiculous flops where he doesn't even attempt to make a basketball play. Maybe he didn't do that for a few games, I don't know. Or maybe they didn't get called, again, I don't know. I didn't watch.

Stop pretending he doesn't have a foul baiting problem.[/QUOTE]


No he absolutely doesn't. He is just doing what other guys are doing it is just more noticable with him because he drives more often and just won MVP. I didn't see anyone complaining about it 3 years ago when he averaged 31 ppg.

If he didn't foul grift at all he would be putting his team at a disadvantage. It is the fault of the refs that they keep falling for it.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15040048]I didn't watch the games so I can't comment. What do you want me to say?

Every time I watch the guy play he makes multiple plays per game that aren't just flops, they're particularly ridiculous flops where he doesn't even attempt to make a basketball play. Maybe he didn't do that for a few games, I don't know. Or maybe they didn't get called, again, I don't know. I didn't watch.

Stop pretending he doesn't have a foul baiting problem.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is denying he's a great basketball player but the way refs reward constant foul baiting for cheap free throws makes it hard to watch the NBA nowadays