Morant disappointed in the coaching staff's lack of belief in Ja-ball

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15040760]Didnt you just ask for the strength of schedule?

What happened to that point?

They went 20-5 beating good teams. Better rate than with him.

25 games is a serious sample.[/QUOTE]

He quickly ran away from that topic. He thought he had me cornered.:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040762][B]Not really.[/B] SGA won MVP last season, but I still believe Jokic was better overall.

I just checked and Morant finished 7th. And you had him #1.

A player whose team went 25-5 without him.[/QUOTE]

That's funny. MVP voting was the ONLY thing you could come up with for why CP was better than Stockton. But now it doesn't matter I see. :roll:

And SGA was the rightful MVP last year. You overrate Jokic. When the game's on the line, the ball goes to Murray. That's not how an MVP should work.

[QUOTE=Full Court;15040764]That's funny. MVP voting was the ONLY thing you could come up with for why CP was better than Stockton. But now it doesn't matter I see. :roll:

And SGA was the rightful MVP last year. You overrate Jokic. When the game's on the line, the ball goes to Murray. That's not how an MVP should work.[/QUOTE]

If you have one player consistently finishing higher in MVP voting over another player then yes. The player finishing higher year in and year out is more likely better. Like in the CP3 and Stockton case.

But to use it as a one year sample is retarded. Peja finished ahead of Shaq & Kobe in the MVP voting one year. Nobody will say he was better than both.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040765]If you have one player consistently finishing higher in MVP voting over another player then yes. The player finishing higher year in and year out is more likely better. Like in the CP3 and Stockton case.

But to use it as a one year sample is retarded. Peja finished ahead of Shaq & Kobe in the MVP voting one year. Nobody will say he was better than both.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with your second paragraph, but the first paragraph just shows your simplistic mind. Your complete inability to look at the totality of context. How many MVP votes do you think CP3 would have gotten if prime Karl Malone was his teammate?

[QUOTE=Full Court;15040768]I don't disagree with your second paragraph, but the first paragraph just shows your simplistic mind. Your complete inability to look at the totality of context. How many MVP votes do you think CP3 would have gotten if prime Karl Malone was his teammate?[/QUOTE]
More than Stockton

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040769]More than Stockton[/QUOTE]

Possibly in the 2010s, but certainly not in the 90s. CP's flopping *** would get brutalized in the 90s. Stockton was one of the toughest players of all time.

Stockton also showed up to play nightly

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040779]Stockton also showed up to play nightly[/QUOTE]

Terry Porter took a huge dump on him in '92.

Stockton had amazing longevity, but during his prime was was a tier below guys like Nash & CP3.

Hell, Kevin Johnson was better than Stockton for a few years.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040781]Terry Porter took a huge dump on him in '92.

Stockton had amazing longevity, but during his prime was was a tier below guys like Nash & CP3.

Hell, Kevin Johnson was better than Stockton for a few years.[/QUOTE]

Id say porter and johnson each had a year at his level offensively. Nash played one end of the floor. Thats where he stands out. There were guys comparable for a year as he went on for 2 decades playing every night at both ends. Paul was the most comparable but hurt too much.

Shams Charania: Joining @SportsCenter AM to discuss details on Ja Morant's one-game suspension with the Memphis Grizzlies and what's next: There's been tension in the last several days around Ja Moran and his feelings toward first year head coach Tuomas Iisalo’s rotation patterns, his plays, but it really culminated after and during the loss to Lakers on Friday night in the post-game locker room. Morant and Iisalo had an exchange where Iisalo called out Morant’s leadership and effort in front of the whole team, and as teammates and staffers all looked on, Morant responded in what the team deemed an inappropriate and dismissive way, according to sources, and that's when the Grizzlies, the team officials, huddled up. They levied a one-game suspension on Ja Morant that he will serve on Sunday in Toronto.

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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040896]Shams Charania: Joining @SportsCenter AM to discuss details on Ja Morant's one-game suspension with the Memphis Grizzlies and what's next: There's been tension in the last several days around Ja Moran and his feelings toward first year head coach Tuomas Iisalo’s rotation patterns, his plays, but it really culminated after and during the loss to Lakers on Friday night in the post-game locker room. Morant and Iisalo had an exchange where Iisalo called out Morant’s leadership and effort in front of the whole team, and as teammates and staffers all looked on, Morant responded in what the team deemed an inappropriate and dismissive way, according to sources, and that's when the Grizzlies, the team officials, huddled up. They levied a one-game suspension on Ja Morant that he will serve on Sunday in Toronto.

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So not only is he bad at basketball and stupid away from the game but now you can add locker room cancer to the list. lol. There are few less desirable contracts in the NBA.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040779]Stockton also showed up to play nightly[/QUOTE]

Boom.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040763]He quickly ran away from that topic. He thought he had me cornered.:lol[/QUOTE]

Is he conceeding that point?!?! He seems to have no shame

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040783]Id say porter and johnson each had a year at his level offensively. [/QUOTE]

On his level for a year? Kevin Johnson was probably better than Stockton on offense for a few years. You can argue Mark Price one year as well, in particular '93. The difference is Johnson & Price didn't have anywhere close to the longevity Stockton had.

The only argument Stockton has over CP3 is longevity, even though CP3's longevity is kind of underrated, he finished 5th in MVP voting as a 35 year old while helping the Suns make the Finals.

Comparing their prime years, CP3 kills Stockton.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040913]A year? Kevin Johnson was for sure on his level on offense for a few years, was probably better overall on that end. You can argue Mark Price one year as well, in particular '93. The difference is Johnson & Price didn't have anywhere close to the longevity Stockton had.[/QUOTE]

I thought a year at the time. The difference is longevity, durability, consistency, efficiency, playmaking and defense. Not being a scorer at the 1 wasnt considered a negative at the time. If you want to look at it through a modern eye i guess you can talk yourself in to thinking those guys were better. More willing scorers. Price was a better shooter. Payton was a better defender

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15040910]Is he conceeding that point?!?! He seems to have no shame[/QUOTE]

Why would I concede anything when I'm clearly right? Nobody with an IQ even in the low end of the normal range would say Morant wasn't good in '22. Averaging almost 30 ppg (27.4 to be exact), all star, 7th in MVP voting, all NBA, MIP award. There's not even a case to be made that he wasn't good."Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but record without him!!!" Yep, cool story.

Interesting, although hardly surprising, that the only people try to say that Morant was never any good are Bronie fluffers. So predictable. :roll:

[QUOTE=Full Court;15040916]Why would I concede anything when I'm clearly right? Nobody with an IQ even in the low end of the normal range would say Morant wasn't good in '22. Averaging almost 30 ppg (27.4 to be exact), all star, 7th in MVP voting, all NBA, MIP award. There's not even a case to be made that he wasn't good."Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but record without him!!!" Yep, cool story.

Interesting, although hardly surprising, that the only people try to say that Morant was never any good are Bronie fluffers. So predictable. :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's cute.

Grizzlies were still 20-5 without him that year while beating championship contending teams in the process.

And you had him as your MVP winner. :lol

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040783]Id say porter and johnson each had a year at his level offensively. Nash played one end of the floor. Thats where he stands out. There were guys comparable for a year as he went on for 2 decades playing every night at both ends. Paul was the most comparable but hurt too much.[/QUOTE]


Nash was a better playoff performer than Stockton.

The crazy thing to me is how people think guys like John or Manu were awesome defenders. They were mid at best. Utah had poor defensive ranks for a contending team and Manu is known for making more crucial bad defensive plays than good ones.

Alll three of these guys? Manu, Stockton, and Nash? 90+% of their HOF impact came from offense. But Nash did that the best by far. He was a BS suspension away from being an MVP champion.

Imagine stockton on a loaded team instead of the jazz. Where was nash on dallas? Good not great. We saw what lin could do in that offense

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040925]Imagine stockton on a loaded team instead of the jazz. Where was nash on dallas? Good not great. We saw what lin could do in that offense[/QUOTE]

Nash won an MVP without Amare one year.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15040925]Imagine stockton on a loaded team instead of the jazz. Where was nash on dallas? Good not great. We saw what lin could do in that offense[/QUOTE]

Are you ****ing kidding me bro? He played with Karl Malone who was an MVP.

Stockton wasnt even the best player on his own team meanwhile Nash easily was and won MVP multiple times.

[QUOTE=tpols;15040927]Are you ****ing kidding me bro? He played with Karl Malone who was an MVP.

Stockton wasnt even the best player on his own team meanwhile Nash easily was and won MVP multiple times.[/QUOTE]

For real.

You think Stockton is winning MVP one year without his best scorer like Nash did in 2006? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040928]For real.

You think Stockton is winning MVP one year without his best scorer like Nash did in 2006? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


I doubt Xaio is high on Amare because he played as little defense as anybody ever and did it from a position where its more necessary. Just a lot of incongruency from him everywhere.

[QUOTE=tpols;15040927]Are you ****ing kidding me bro? He played with Karl Malone who was an MVP.

Stockton wasnt even the best player on his own team meanwhile Nash easily was and won MVP multiple times.[/QUOTE]

You need more than 2 players. Too bad their best teams were after stockton had microfracture surgery. Its tough winning while playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end. I have stockton over malone

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040926]Nash won an MVP without Amare one year.[/QUOTE]

Nash >>>Chris Paul

Pauls problem was being on the sidelines when his team needed him most

[QUOTE=Full Court;15040931]Nash >>>Chris Paul[/QUOTE]

Chris Paul had more top tier seasons. Nash didn't make an All-star until he was 27, late bloomer. At their peaks, Nash was better on offense.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15040936]Chris Paul had more top tier seasons. Nash didn't make an All-star until he was 27, late bloomer. At their peaks, Nash was better on offense.[/QUOTE]

Nash is ahead in all-time rankings.

Ja for zion who says no? Injury prone or headcase?

Tim MacMahon: I don't think there's much… like you guys talk to people. I talked to people. Do you find a lot of people that believe there's going to be some robust market if they do shop Ja Morant? Tim Bontemps: No. No, I don't think I don't think there is one. I mean, I think for a couple reasons. One is all the things we just talked about. The second is he's just not that much of a difference-maker at the position and it's a loaded position.

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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15041046]Ja for zion who says no? Injury prone or headcase?

Tim MacMahon: I don't think there's much… like you guys talk to people. I talked to people. Do you find a lot of people that believe there's going to be some robust market if they do shop Ja Morant? Tim Bontemps: No. No, I don't think I don't think there is one. I mean, I think for a couple reasons. One is all the things we just talked about. The second is he's just not that much of a difference-maker at the position and it's a loaded position.

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Wouldnt wanna take on either's salary due to their baggage, but Zion's ceiling on the court is much higher IMO.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15040733]Try watching the games instead of spouting off arbitrarily decided awards that don't mean anything. He's as bad of a player as you are a poster. Both dumpster fires not deserving of my time.

Summary of you, media and other ignorant fans: "OH OH OH!!! HE DID 360 LAYUP!!! OH!! HE SO GOOD!! GIB AWARD! LOL!! :roll:"

He's bad at basketball. He's always been bad at basketball. He will get even worse at basketball.

Delete your account.[/QUOTE]

You're over-reacting dude. He's not bad at basketball. The guy def has some mental issues right now, trying to figure out his role in the NBA on his team, one that he is the face of. Would I trade Brunson for him? NO, I wouldn't. But that doesn't make him bad at basketball.

Will he break Lebrons Record for fastest superstar led firing of a renowned international coach who wants you to pass the ball?