BREAKING: Nico fired!

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15042101][B][SIZE=3]There are no conspiracies or underhanded dealings. This a very simple case[/SIZE]. [/B]

The Mavs organisation for a combination of reasons, wanted out of the Luka business. Either because they didnt wanna pay him a supermax, were sick of his conditioning issues and likely thought they'd seen the best of Luka. They thought they could win a chip either last season or this one and justify that decision. What they didnt account for was AD getting hurt (as stupid as that is) and Kyrie getting hurt (as stupid as that is). As someone above said, we never got to see Nico's vision. BUT when you have two injury prone aging players, their health was always going to be a timebomb but they didnt expect it to blow up as soon as it did.

However everything else is fairydust.

Niko wasn't helping the Lakers because he is friends with Pelinka.
The NBA didnt fix the draft to give the Mavs Flagg.
The Mavs owners didnt sabotage their own team to instigate a move to Vegas.

Or any other cockamamie theories out there. This was a dumbass organisation who made a dumbass move and it could not possibly have gone worse for them since it happened. Like Final Destination shit really, the #1 pick aside.[/QUOTE]

wut

It was, and will continue to be the worst trade in NBA history he made...out of shape Luka or not.

I don't care to go too far re-hashing this point again but it is worth noting that the team was expertly crafted around Luka and was in every position to contend at the highest level (not to mention a year removed from just doing so). It wasn't some "on paper" team, it was a perfectly crafted, well rounded and deep team. The only boogeyman possibly in the way would be OKC, who the Mavs at that time had an answer for.

lol. Still mind boggling.

Inexcusably, comically idiotic.

SGA plus picks and assets for Paul George will always be worse.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042169]SGA plus picks and assets for Paul George will always be worse.[/QUOTE]

That's not how that works at all. You're talking about with the benefit of 100% hindsight.

Proctor is without question directly addressing what it obviously was in the moment, which was pure stupidity. Speculation wasn't needed. We didn't need a year or 5 to see how it would play out. It was just immediately bad.

Well deserved!

Does anyone else believe that the threat of a trade could have done just as much as the trade itself in motivating Luka to get in shape?

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042170]That's not how that works at all. You're talking about with the benefit of 100% hindsight.

Proctor is without question directly addressing what it obviously was in the moment, which was pure stupidity. Speculation wasn't needed. We didn't need a year or 5 to see how it would play out. It was just immediately bad.[/QUOTE]

Your premise, that the actual results of the trade don't matter, is completely wrong.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042173]Your premise, that the actual results of the trade don't matter, is completely wrong.[/QUOTE]

No.

People were talking about how that trade was bad at the time but there weren't AS MANY people saying it was the worst trade in NBA history.

That's what we're talking about. It didn't even require hindsight. It didn't require waiting. Everyone knew how atrociously bad it was in the moment. That's what makes it the worst.

Long term results matter but that's not what we're talking about.

We're talking about that this was the most obviously bad trade ever to everyone in the world except for Nico and there has never been a worse in the moment trade that literally everyone saw coming a mile away except for one guy.

We're talking about the fact that even below average IQ people could see how bad this was. It was nearly universal.

Well hopefully as the Mavs continue to suck they will still cheer to fire Nico, even though he's already been fired.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042173]Your premise, that the actual results of the trade don't matter, is completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
The discussion is clearly about the logic behind the trade when it happened. Obviously, the SGA trade is catastrophic in hindsight, but at the time, trying to lock up a guy in contention as the best in the world and coming off a FMVP run in Kawhi while also adding another two way player coming off a career year and an All-NBA 1st Team nod in PG made a lot of sense. The move ended up disastrously, but in 2019 the Clippers were seen as being the title favorite after making those moves

That is not in the same stratosphere as trading your 25 year old franchise player, coming off a Finals run, essentially straight up for a guy 6 years older approaching his mid 30's who's constantly injured. There's a reason this trade got so much criticism when it happened, I bet you couldn't find a fraction of the criticism when the Clippers signed Kawhi & added PG.

Another thing to keep in mind that Kawhi wanted PG13 so it was kind of a package deal. Obviously it's been a disaster but i dont remember people at the time making a big deal about SGA being part of it.

How good or bad a trade is should always be judged by the quality of the assets. It's a bit of a contradiction that in this thread we have people talking about what a bad signing Beal was for Washington and using the Phoenix failure as justification but somehow can't discredit the Clipper side of the George trade when the immediate return was terrible for them and ended up being amongst the best ever for the Thunder. They might have a dynasty of they can survive the second apron and they got it off of trading a guy that misses 20 to 30 games every year. The KG/Pierce trade is normally regarded as terrible for the Nets because of how the picks they have up turned out. If we just evaluate the trade in the moment, "Two best players on an NBA champion for a few future firsts from a playoff team. Yeah they're a little old but for the next year or two we got a shot a championship. Let's go!" So do we say that trade wasn't so bad for the Nets now?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042181]How good or bad a trade is should always be judged by the quality of the assets. It's a bit of a contradiction that in this thread we have people talking about what a bad signing Beal was for Washington and using the Phoenix failure as justification but somehow can't discredit the Clipper side of the George trade when the immediate return was terrible for them and ended up being amongst the best ever for the Thunder. They might have a dynasty of they can survive the second apron and they got it off of trading a guy that misses 20 to 30 games every year. The KG/Pierce trade is normally regarded as terrible for the Nets because of how the picks they have up turned out. If we just evaluate the trade in the moment, "Two best players on an NBA champion for a few future firsts from a playoff team. Yeah they're a little old but for the next year or two we got a shot a championship. Let's go!" So do we say that trade wasn't so bad for the Nets now?[/QUOTE]

Those people were saying how bad the Beal deal was from day 1. lol. Terrible comparison.

And the problem with the Paul George trade is that Kawhi allegedly wasn't coming if they didn't get George. So it was only SGA + picks for George on a very surface level.

Kblaze you are being kinda cringe

Stop having lil dick syndrom and just admit you were wrong. It’s not even a big deal.


You being weird.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15042165]wut[/QUOTE]

What's confusing you?

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042184]Those people were saying how bad the Beal deal was from day 1. lol. Terrible comparison.[/QUOTE]

The time stamp on the criticism has nothing to do with whether or not the trade or signing was good. You're commenting on irrelevant details.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042188]The time stamp on the criticism has nothing to do with whether or not the trade or signing was good. You're commenting on irrelevant details.[/QUOTE]

Imagine playing semantics trying to defend one of the most obviously toxic contracts in NBA History.

Lol.


Most disingenuous dude I swear. It’s quite scary.

For the record the only 3 people on planet earth who think Beal’s contact isn’t insanely toxic.


Dmavs
Kblaze
That green chode


No one else. No one. Lmao

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042191]Imagine playing semantics trying to defend one of the most obviously toxic contracts in NBA History.

Lol.


Most disingenuous dude I swear. It’s quite scary.[/QUOTE]

Imagine being stupid enough to think I'm defending Beal's contract. Good news... you don't have to.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042193]Imagine being stupid enough to think I'm defending Beal's contract. Good news... you don't have to.[/QUOTE]

You have an iq of sub 80. I literally can’t understand anything you say 75% of the time or more.

If anyone is interested in the truth (that wouldn't be warriorfan) I've said that Beal's contract turned out fine for Washington becaude they managed to get rid of it and get some assets out of it. I have never said that Beal is worth paying the supermax worth a no-trade clause.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042195]You have an iq of sub 80. I literally can’t understand anything you say 75% of the time or more.[/QUOTE]

Your inability to comprehend English would make you the one with the sub-80 IQ. Feel free to shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042196]If anyone is interested in the truth (that wouldn't be warriorfan) I've said that Beal's contract turned out fine for Washington becaude they managed to get rid of it and get some assets out of it. I have never said that Beal is worth paying the supermax worth a no-trade clause.[/QUOTE]

Trolls and truth are like oil and water

[url]https://streamable.com/k59ryw[/url]

I told you guys. He wasn't the fall guy. It wasn't a conspiracy.

Nico had a personal problem with Luka for <insert whatever speculative reason> AND he was irrationally in love with Anthony Davis. Though I do remember something about him approaching Minnesota and asking about Antman and approaching Milwaukee and asking about Giannis WITHOUT letting them know that he was shopping Luka :roll:

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/k46RrHSP/Screenshot-from-2025-11-11-19-08-59.png[/IMG]

It's real. :roll:

This guy does not give a **** at all.

This is the same shit as the Chris Rock slap. People just refuse to believe what they see and hear anymore. Everything has to be a conspiracy or a set up or bullshit. And to be fair, we have been lied to so much I guess it could be hard to decipher what is real and isn't real anymore.

But: Chris Rock got slapped for real & Nico Harrison really is that dumb.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042207][url]https://streamable.com/k59ryw[/url]

I told you guys. He wasn't the fall guy. It wasn't a conspiracy.

Nico had a personal problem with Luka for <insert whatever speculative reason> AND he was irrationally in love with Anthony Davis. Though I do remember something about him approaching Minnesota and asking about Antman and approaching Milwaukee and asking about Giannis WITHOUT letting them know that he was shopping Luka :roll:[/QUOTE]

I’ve heard things about how he fired either the head of medical staff or personal trainers, someone within that faculty of the organization, because he had a strong voice in the clubhouse and had a lot of respect from players and the rest of the organization. Supposedly he was really good at his job too. But Nico had some psycho spaz out and was scared of people potentially undermining him? It sounds so crazy and how can this even be real but with Nico it makes you wonder.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042213]I’ve heard things about how he fired either the head of medical staff or personal trainers, someone within that faculty of the organization, because he had a strong voice in the clubhouse and had a lot of respect from players and the rest of the organization. Supposedly he was really good at his job too. But Nico had some psycho spaz out and was scared of people potentially undermining him? It sounds so crazy and how can this even be real but with Nico it makes you wonder.[/QUOTE]

Yep I read something similar.

If they still did that nba game of thrones parody they could have done nico as the mad king and Luka as the kingslayer

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042196]If anyone is interested in the truth (that wouldn't be warriorfan) I've said that Beal's contract turned out fine for Washington becaude they managed to get rid of it and get some assets out of it. I have never said that Beal is worth paying the supermax worth a no-trade clause.[/QUOTE]

No it wasn't fine. There was no chance the Wizards were going to win with Beal. The previous few seasons had shown that.

The owner clearly didn't think the Beal contract was fine because he fired the GM that gave it to him less than a year later.

As of today the only "asset" we've gotten from the Beal trade was Chris Paul. The pick swap it '24 was nothing, as it will probably be.this year. That leaves draft swaps in '28 and '30 as the only possible draft compensation we got from this deal.

Fortunately the new GM decided to do a full rebuild and was lucky enough to find an idiot new owner to take on Beals contract. The problem is that they started their tank in a historically weak draft class in '24 instead of the Wemby draft. If we started the rebuild sooner then we would probably be further along and might not have traded Deni, the best player we've drafted since Beal.

They signed Beal to that contract hoping to win. Since that signing the Wizards have a record of 69-186. So not only didn't they win but they still haven't gotten any draft compensation for Beal. We got a late first for trading Gafford ffs but we've gotten nothing for trading Beal.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042207][url]https://streamable.com/k59ryw[/url]

I told you guys. He wasn't the fall guy. It wasn't a conspiracy.

Nico had a personal problem with Luka for <insert whatever speculative reason> AND he was irrationally in love with Anthony Davis. Though I do remember something about him approaching Minnesota and asking about Antman and approaching Milwaukee and asking about Giannis WITHOUT letting them know that he was shopping Luka :roll:[/QUOTE]

Wanted a two way player settled for the 3rd option

The way you talk about the Beal deal and the wizards recent history in general of the Beal deal got him fired it could be argued that made it a positive. More seriously for Washington if the pick swaps can ever be used (can they be traded?) then that's something they got for signing him. If you don't care about the owner's money for however long they were paying him then that's something. Its not been much so far but it's not the reason Washington has accomplished so little.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042226]The way you talk about the Beal deal and the wizards recent history in general of the Beal deal got him fired it could be argued that made it a positive. More seriously for Washington if the pick swaps can ever be used (can they be traded?) then that's something they got for signing him. If you don't care about the owner's money for however long they were paying him then that's something. Its not been much so far but it's not the reason Washington has accomplished so little.[/QUOTE]

The longtime gm grunfeld was fired a few years previously. They then hired one of the guys on his staff. SMH I had hoped he would be better but when he gave Beal that deal I knew he was just Grunfeld Jr.


The biggest issue for Wizards fans is that we lost Deni. New mgt apparently traded him because he didn't fit the new timeline, and of course they didn't draft him, the old gmy did. That has been the most painful part of the whole rebuild. We finally drafted a guy who breaks out, we had already signed him to a cheap deal, and then we trade him away and he might make the All Star team.

If we don't resign Beal then I can't imagine that Deni would have been traded. And of course we ended up starting our tank for a draft where Risacher went number 1 instead of Wemby. I also wouldn't mind having Brandon Miller or Amen Thompson.

One team source recalls a document where Harrison placed Jrue Holiday within the same tier of talent as Nikola Jokić. While at Nike, Harrison’s role involved talent evaluation. But from the very first moment he was hired, several league sources say, there were questions whether those evaluations would translate to coherent team building.

DLLS

We’re going to find out someday that Nico was in deep with the same kind of shit that Chauncey Billups, Jones, Johntay Porter, Tim Donahey, Malik Beasley, etc, etc, were caught up in.

It’s the only explanation that makes sense. Nobody could actually be that stoopid.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15042267]One team source recalls a document where Harrison placed Jrue Holiday within the same tier of talent as Nikola Jokić. While at Nike, Harrison’s role involved talent evaluation. But from the very first moment he was hired, several league sources say, there were questions whether those evaluations would translate to coherent team building.

DLLS[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Monday’s loss to the Bucks marked the sixth straight game Anthony Davis has missed with a left calf strain. Multiple league sources said Davis has tried to convince the Mavs to let him return to the court, and Harrison urged him to return, but the team’s medical staff forbade it, citing the potential for a torn Achilles if Davis returned too soon.

New York Times

So far this season

Luka: 37/9/9 on 63%TS, Lakers 8-3
AD: 21/10/2 on 59%TS, Mavs 3-8

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15042348]So far this season

Luka: 37/9/9 on 63%TS, Lakers 8-3
AD: 21/10/2 on 59%TS, Mavs 3-8[/QUOTE]

Funnily enough, those team records will probably trend closer towards each other once LeBron & Kyrie both come back, lol. Depending on the return timetables of course. Kyrie probably doesn't end up coming back until months after LeBron which makes what I'm about to say null and void but,

I can't see regular season LeBron adding to the Lakers at all because no way in hell he would come off the bench. So they will get worse. Almost a certainty.

The Mavs desperately need Kyrie back. They will get better.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15042347]Monday’s loss to the Bucks marked the sixth straight game Anthony Davis has missed with a left calf strain. Multiple league sources said Davis has tried to convince the Mavs to let him return to the court, and [B]Harrison urged him to return[/B], but the team’s medical staff forbade it, citing the potential for a torn Achilles if Davis returned too soon.

New York Times[/QUOTE]

Just when you think he can't possibly get more incompetent. He outdoes himself. What a disaster of a human being this idiot is.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15042366]Just when you think he can't possibly get more incompetent. He outdoes himself. What a disaster of a human being this idiot is.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what else needs to come out for people to not believe it was a conspiracy, lol. He's an idiot! That's all there is to it. He's a multimillion dollar idiot who failed upwards, lmao