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Is it true that ayton now has around the same or more minutes played with the lakers since this season started than what davis has with the mavs since getting traded there earlier this year?
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15043462]petty and stupid[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=bdonovan;15043612]I'd love to see AD go to the Warriors but I'm not sure we have anyone they want. I'd offer Kuminga (potential future all-star), two of our guards (from: Moody, Podziemski, Payton, Hield), and future draft picks. If the Mavs are building for the future, those young guys might be valuable.[/QUOTE]
Who plays center? Davis is a 4 as far as he is concerned. Who is the big stretching the floor next to him since he doesnt? Dont see the fit other than another old guy that cant stay on the floor
Detroit has plenty of space. A healthy AD (big if, as always) teamed with Cade, and with the way that team plays, & how they've been playing, would be a scary prospect for the rest of the league.
Wouldnt mess up the pistons with crutch
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15043638]Who plays center? Davis is a 4 as far as he is concerned. Who is the big stretching the floor next to him since he doesnt? Dont see the fit other than another old guy that cant stay on the floor[/QUOTE]
We have Post and Horford to give him a breather at the position.
[QUOTE=bdonovan;15043762]We have Post and Horford to give him a breather at the position.[/QUOTE]
What does draymond think of riding the bench?
People still blaming Nico is funny. At what age did you realize Santa were actually your parents? High school?
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043520]It's different when you can add a guy with a mid first round pick making rookie deal money versus giving up two young pieces (Herro was just an allstar last year) to take back a guy making 54 million a year. Youre really investing a ton in something that has long odds of working right away. If he doesnt click with Bam theyre just fooked. I would be interested to see it as a viewer but I dont think it's a gamble I would take for that team right now.
I think the two-center stuff is interesting and has potential around the league, but that's when one of the centers is a low risk acquisition. Steven Adams, Mitchell Robinson, Jonas Valanciunus. Luke Kornet. You trade a second rounder for them and/or sign them for role player money, then see how they fit with your star center. Trading Herro and Ware for Davis when you already have Bam is just too radical. And Davis makes 54 million a year, bringing him in to play only 20 minutes a night... I dont think the Heat are goin for that. Theres just no way.[/QUOTE]
****ed as in what exactly? What does the heat being ****ed look like? Not having playoff success? They just went 37-45. They’re 9-6 now which is fine early but also one game from the 10th seed Celtics.
What are you saying they’re risking? Contender status?
Herro isn’t a loss at all. Even when they were good they were making finals runs without him. They’re scoring like the showtime lakers without him having played a minute this year. All he’s gonna do is score and play worse defense.
What do they really gain by him doing nothing but scoring on a team already scoring 124ppg by running an offense stars apparently hate but deep teams of role players love?
Herro would just be filler. Hes a free agent after next year and will definitely want a raise or at least another big deal to be….what?
When they tried to lean on him as the man he went out in the playoffs getting eliminated going 1-10 and losing by 55 points. It was the last game he played.
You think they view extending him under the new even bigger CBA as some kinda great option going forward?
Hes the type you either talk into taking less, use as contract filler tied to something with potential(aware), or maybe sign and trade soon if you don’t let him walk.
The Heat are star ****ers always after the next name. They just keep striking out.
If they don’t see Giannis as a real option what better moves are available without trying to “fix” one of the young knucklehead types always out there?
A project and filler for a proven champion type you don’t really need to rely on to be competitive?
There are worse options.
Herro 25. He should get better.
People still being in denial about Nico are funny. Double-digit, room-temperature IQ.
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15043462][B]You are in complete denial about how petty and stupid Nico Harrison is.[/B] Oh well, you'll never change your mind.[/QUOTE]
This is the answer. Nothing about the league being rigged. Just blatant stupidity from Nico. No surprise he got fired.
Franchise players especially one of Luka stature are not traded without approval from the higher up. *cough*owner*cough* The fact that people still leave out cookies for some white guy that’s overweight (fits the American male maybe most here can relate) breaking errr sneaking into their homes? Astounding. Welcome to ISH.
If iwas the heat and probably most teams id rather have sabonis than davis. Davis is a better athlete and defender. Sabonis better at everything else. Bam might be a good enough defender to make it work. Sabonis will play 4 or 5 without complaint. Will play at the rim or the perimeter. Make the offense even more dynamic.
He makes some sense there depending on what they have to give up for Crutch. 3 point shooting center. Get rid of patrick williams ideally in deal
The Bulls could go in a few directions over the next several months, including adding to the current roster. That has led some sources to speculate whether Chicago, with over $80 million in expiring money, could be a suitor for Dallas' Anthony Davis and bring the Windy City native home. ‘I could see it,’ a West executive, who recently saw Chicago play, said. ‘[Josh] Giddey has worked well with Vucevic, but he could use a roll man to throw it up to.
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[QUOTE=GOBB;15043787]Franchise players especially one of Luka stature are not traded without approval from the higher up. *cough*owner*cough* The fact that people still leave out cookies for some white guy that’s overweight (fits the American male maybe most here can relate) breaking errr sneaking into their homes? Astounding. Welcome to ISH.[/QUOTE]
Nobody ever said he was traded without approval from the owner. Stop speaking so confidently about a situation that you clearly haven't looked into much, not that I should expect anything else from you except utterly confident ignorance.
So you understand, even though you will still refuse to believe what factually happened because your stupidity and overconfidence is set in stone, here's the exact order of how it went down.
1) Cuban hires idiotic ego maniac with the stupid idea that it was for player relations primarily and Cuban would still run basketball
2) Cuban sells team to someone who knows 0 about basketball under the condition Cuban would still run basketball
3) Idiotic ego maniac gets in the ignorant owner's ear and pushes Cuban out
4) Idiotic ego maniac trades Luka and rushes it through without opening up bidding because ignorant owner would see the fan and journalistic backlash and know how stupid it was
5) People on the internet that believe everything is a lie and a conspiracy think Nico was just a fall guy
Nico Harrison is an overly confident below average IQ idiot who failed upwards by sheer dumb luck. You are him minus the failing upwards part.
There is article after article out there explaining the situation, explaining that Nico Harrison was a failure at Nike also that botched the Steph Curry meeting all those years ago, and that he surrounded himself with yes men in Dallas and fired anyone who opposed every impulsive thought he had. But instead of reading those articles, here you are, thinking you know, spreading your ignorant bullshit.
If trading Luka was the owner's idea then why didnt they open the bidding to other teams to get the best deal? Looks to me like Nico had a thing for AD.
I havent seen anything from this owner that would lead me to believe that he knows much about basketball. I seriously doubt that the owner had any type of fascination with AD.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15043801]If trading Luka was the owner's idea then why didnt they open the bidding to other teams to get the best deal? Looks to me like Nico had a thing for AD.
I havent seen anything from this owner that would lead me to believe that he knows much about basketball. I seriously doubt that the owner had any type of fascination with AD.[/QUOTE]
He wanted a two way player and didnt want to pay the fat ass. Which i get. Supposedly he asked about ant and giannis too which would have been nice. Trading for a guy you cant count on made bo sense.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15043803]He wanted a two way player and didnt want to pay the fat ass. Which i get. Supposedly he asked about ant and giannis too which would have been nice. Trading for a guy you cant count on made bo sense.[/QUOTE]
Why couldn't they get Austin Reaves in the deal? The deal was so one sided that it looks to me like Nico had a thing for AD.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15043807]Why couldn't they get Austin Reaves in the deal? The deal was so one sided that it looks to me like Nico had a thing for AD.[/QUOTE]
It isnt one sided if you get a two way superstar you can expect to be on the floor which was the problem with the deal. No reason to think davis would be that guy. Never has been outside the bubble
Not sure he would have had interest in reaves if he was looking for two way players
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15043797]Nobody ever said he was traded without approval from the owner. Stop speaking so confidently about a situation that you clearly haven't looked into much, not that I should expect anything else from you except utterly confident ignorance.
So you understand, even though you will still refuse to believe what factually happened because your stupidity and overconfidence is set in stone, here's the exact order of how it went down.
1) Cuban hires idiotic ego maniac with the stupid idea that it was for player relations primarily and Cuban would still run basketball
2) Cuban sells team to someone who knows 0 about basketball under the condition Cuban would still run basketball
3) Idiotic ego maniac gets in the ignorant owner's ear and pushes Cuban out
4) Idiotic ego maniac trades Luka and rushes it through without opening up bidding because ignorant owner would see the fan and journalistic backlash and know how stupid it was
5) People on the internet that believe everything is a lie and a conspiracy think Nico was just a fall guy
[B]Nico Harrison is an overly confident below average IQ idiot who failed upwards by sheer dumb luck. You are him minus the failing upwards part.
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There is article after article out there explaining the situation, explaining that Nico Harrison was a failure at Nike also that botched the Steph Curry meeting all those years ago, and that he surrounded himself with yes men in Dallas and fired anyone who opposed every impulsive thought he had. But instead of reading those articles, here you are, thinking you know, spreading your ignorant bullshit.[/QUOTE]
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Damn.
I know this sounds crazy to say but I wouldn't want Davis if I were trying to contend.
He refuses to want to play Center, yet came into the season wearing a fat suit and cannot hit 3s.
Sounds exactly like a Center to me.
[QUOTE=beasted;15043853]I know this sounds crazy to say but I wouldn't want Davis if I were trying to contend.
He refuses to want to play Center, yet came into the season wearing a fat suit and cannot hit 3s.
Sounds exactly like a Center to me.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more about the defensive side of things. He's fine with playing the Center role on offense obviously but would prefer roaming around on D and not just protecting the paint and fighting bigs all game which I can understand. Issue is there isn't a prime Brook Lopez on his squad who would make sense next to him offensively, so now you're giving up a lot on the spacing side of things. Giannis is kind of in the same boat which is why the Bucks overpaid for Myles Turner to replace Brook Lopez.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15043871]I think it's more about the defensive side of things. He's fine with playing the Center role on offense obviously but would prefer roaming around on D and not just protecting the paint and fighting bigs all game which I can understand. Issue is there isn't a prime Brook Lopez on his squad who would make sense next to him offensively, so now you're giving up a lot on the spacing side of things. Giannis is kind of in the same boat which is why the Bucks overpaid for Myles Turner to replace Brook Lopez.[/QUOTE]
The problem is a lot of the time there is only one big on the floor. There isnt a center and a pf. There are bigs wings and guards now. There isnt much banging down low. Spacing is an issue with him so he doesnt just fit anywhere offensively again assuming he can even stay on the floor
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15043871]I think it's more about the defensive side of things. He's fine with playing the Center role on offense obviously but would prefer roaming around on D and not just protecting the paint and fighting bigs all game which I can understand. Issue is there isn't a prime Brook Lopez on his squad who would make sense next to him offensively, so now you're giving up a lot on the spacing side of things. Giannis is kind of in the same boat which is why the Bucks overpaid for Myles Turner to replace Brook Lopez.[/QUOTE]
Well, a superstar should have at least some basketball IQ about these things. As you said, it's not as if his current team has stretch bigs. Flagg, Washington, Gafford, Lively, Powell... none of these guys can hit a 3, Davis included. Given the circumstances, he ought to be the one asking the coach to play Center to get more spacing.
A max superstar in his feelings rather than trying to sacrifice to win is not a superstar I would want on my team.
Bosh did not like playing Center at all, but he did whatever was necessary. That should be the prevailing mindset.
I don’t give a flying **** what insane team takes on a contract $11million more per year than Luka’s … for a guy that never plays more than a couple handfuls of games in a row before being out again for 6-8weeks.
Just as long as it isn’t a team I actually enjoy watching:
Bulls
Nuggets
Lakers
Rockets
Pistons
Heat
Spurs
Warriors
Orlando
Milwaukee
Minnesnowta
Serious question:
Is any owner seriously stupid enough to want Day-To-Davis at this point ?
He isn’t even Day-To-Davis anymore, **** days. N!cca sits for months, after playing for days.
[QUOTE=beasted;15043934]Well, a superstar should have at least some basketball IQ about these things. As you said, it's not as if his current team has stretch bigs. Flagg, Washington, Gafford, Lively, Powell... none of these guys can hit a 3, Davis included. Given the circumstances, he ought to be the one asking the coach to play Center to get more spacing.
A max superstar in his feelings rather than trying to sacrifice to win is not a superstar I would want on my team.
Bosh did not like playing Center at all, but he did whatever was necessary. That should be the prevailing mindset.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he's in his feelings he just wants to prevent the injuries. He's been the 5 since the 2021-22 season. If Mavs 3 bigs are all healthy they can definitely run some of those 2 big lineups.
[QUOTE=BarberSchool;15043942]
Serious question:
Is any owner seriously stupid enough to want Day-To-Davis at this point ?
He isn’t even Day-To-Davis anymore, **** days. N!cca sits for months, after playing for days.[/QUOTE]
It’s not about you and what you think though. You need to just look at history. I don’t know why fans generally speaking have this idea no one wants a player becuase they are 1. Always hurt/day to day 2. Massive contract/gross. When the facts are none of that tends to matter as we’ve seen teams do 1 or 2 if not both. Anthony Davis had the same injury label when he was with the Pelicans. And yet was traded to the Lakers. Davis had the same injury labels you mentioned with the Pelicans and now the Lakers. And yet was traded to Dallas. And alas here we are questioning if an owner will take a chance on him via trade? Come on. There’s never been a place where given Davis injury history he was just a throw in when he was involved in a trade.
A lot of the stars miss 10-20 games a year and need to be load managed but their production in the Playoffs is still worth the hit in the RS. Luka himself has had nagging injuries every year but doesn't get the same label even though you look at his history he's constantly playing while injured in the Playoffs and misses about 15-20 RS games a year. AD played more games in the RS in '24 and '25 and he doesn't have serious knee or back problems so his value is still very high.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15043946]A lot of the stars miss 10-20 games a year and need to be load managed but their production in the Playoffs is still worth the hit in the RS. Luka himself has had nagging injuries every year but doesn't get the same label even though you look at his history he's constantly playing while injured in the Playoffs and misses about 15-20 RS games a year. AD played more games in the RS in '24 and '25 and he doesn't have serious knee or back problems so his value is still very high.[/QUOTE]
Luka doesnt get that label? That was a big reason he got traded. He was hurt when he was traded. They thought he was hurt because he was a fat ass and didnt want to pay him
AD is probably the most toxic player in the NBA right now. I wouldn't go anywhere near him no matter what franchise I was the GM of.
$60m for 3 more years of a washed up, perma injured, getting heavy guy who's mentally decapitated? No thanks.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15043947]Luka doesnt get that label? That was a big reason he got traded. He was hurt when he was traded. They thought he was hurt because he was a fat ass and didnt want to pay him[/QUOTE]
Well people mostly overlook that part and just hyper-focus on AD's injuries is what I'm saying. His value is still high because almost all the top players miss a significant portion of the RS (12+ games) every year. They had to make a 65-game rule for the awards just so these dudes wouldn't sit out more games. AD's been available more times at the end of the season than Giannis for the past 5 years despite the injuries he's had. You can load manage AD and have him ready for the POs and he's top 5 in Playoffs history in PER and WS/48 right behind Lebron & Jokic, and is also 12th all-time in BPM in the POs, so yeah he's going to be sought after regardless of the street clothes shit.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15043953]Well people mostly overlook that part and just hyper-focus on AD's injuries is what I'm saying. His value is still high because almost all the top players miss a significant portion of the RS (12+ games) every year. They had to make a 65-game rule for the awards just so these dudes wouldn't sit out more games. AD's been available more times at the end of the season than Giannis for the past 5 years despite the injuries he's had. You can load manage AD and have him ready for the POs and he's top 5 in Playoffs history in PER and WS/48 right behind Lebron & Jokic, and is also 12th all-time in BPM in the POs, so yeah he's going to be sought after regardless of the street clothes shit.[/QUOTE]
Luka will get the same label if he continues the trend. Davis probably didnt have the label this early in His career either
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15043955]Luka will get the same label if he continues the trend. Davis probably didnt have the label this early in His career either[/QUOTE]
Nah he's always been that way apart from a couple seasons. His early career the games missed is basically the same as Luka's. They started clowning him for getting injured because he played with Lebron even though if you look at the '19-'25 seasons he missed 43 more games which over 6 seasons isn't really that big of a difference and it was last season that widened the gap so the 5 full seasons they played together he missed about 5 more games per year.