Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."

So I read Agent Zero Hibachi's post saying "I have no idea what the pushoff was like, can someone provide me with a link?"

Which I immediate assume was a sarcastic joke.

Then I saw MaxFly reply with an actual link, and I was thinking "come on Max you actually gonna fell for that?"

Then Agent Zero actually comes back with a legit reply, so I guess he really hadn't seen the shot before and just saw it for the first time after Max provided the link....

Wow. is this ISH? Or isthis some basketball board on Yahoo Questions page or something?

Even if the push didnt cause the entire reaction...the push existed. It was a foul. Jordan himself wouldnt claim these days that he didnt push him.

Haha, I thought the same thing. He's pretty young though, grade 9 or something. Still, I honestly have trouble imagining someone being on a basketball messageboard (a lot in this situation) and not having seen that shot.

If Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are the one who hit that shot after pushing B. Russell most people here in PEX would go on strike. But at the end of the day it was Michael " Freakin" Jordan greatest player of all time and the man who brought millions and prestige in David Stern's NBA.

That is what you call as a facking Double Standard i hope someday it will never happen in an NBA Finals.


J- Whistle > D-Whistle and Bron Whistle

Unless we've got some amazing time machine and a computer that can calculate the amount of pressure that Michael Jordan's left hand exerted on Byron Russell's body simply by analying the video footage, there will be no clear answer (people have their opinions on which side they think is 100% right but the other side has arguements as well) as to if it was a offensive foul.

Personally, I think it was a bit of both, Jordan pushed off but Russell also flopped trying to get the foul.

Also, that 'blocking' foul on Nowitzki two years ago in the finals was absolute BS, Wade charged his whole shoulder into Nowitzki's chest and it was a clear offensive foul.

[QUOTE=Kobe24][URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HvdcDbcZ5eg"]Is this a foul?[/URL][/QUOTE]

Hell no Kobe doesn't foul people :rockon:

[QUOTE=Lebron23]If Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are the one who hit that shot after pushing B. Russell most people here in PEX would go on strike. But at the end of the day it was Michael " Freakin" Jordan greatest player of all time and the man who brought millions and prestige in David Stern's NBA.

That is what you call as a facking Double Standard i hope someday it will never happen in an NBA Finals.


J- Whistle > D-Whistle and Bron Whistle[/QUOTE]


Yeah... dismiss everything else Jordan hsa done because that one play he bent the rules a bit, right?

I don't get why you clowns are crying. That same push off wouldn't be called if it was Wade, Lebron, Iverson, Kobe or even a second rate superstar like Melo. You think Jordan--who's like another 4 levels above all the names I just mentioned--would, or should, get called for that?

Just that year alone, Reggie's push on Jordan was more blatant and t hat wasn't called. Neither was Shaq's bodyblock on Steve Smith in the final minute of game 7 WCF in 2000. Rodman was bodyblocked--as he was attempting a shot--by like two Lakers in the final seconds of game 7 of the 1989 Finals and there was a no call.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]Haha, I thought the same thing. He's pretty young though, grade 9 or something. Still, I honestly have trouble imagining someone being on a basketball messageboard (a lot in this situation) and not having seen that shot.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was a little surprised as well. This is probably the most talked about call in league history.

[QUOTE=Agent_Zero]No idea how MJ's pushoff was like. Was he more aggressive or was it just normal? Any links?[/QUOTE]

Seriously?

Look, if the ref doesn't call it, then it's not a foul.

Period.

[QUOTE=20 Dimes A Game]Look, if the ref doesn't call it, then it's not a foul.

Period.[/QUOTE]


That is a very unreasonable logic this is the proper way to summarize the game.

bad calls and no-calls are part of the game, and it shouldn't be a reason why you lost a game. In fact, you have 48 minutes of chances to win a ball game.

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[QUOTE=20 Dimes A Game]Look, if the ref doesn't call it, then it's not a foul.

Period.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Especially with this Tim Donaghy crap going on.

[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=w6rl4-7YtXo"]Example of refs not calling fouls[/URL]

[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZyD3Zjuxvw"]Example of refs favoring superstars[/URL]

Refs favor superstars. They sometimes overlook fouls or either give ticky tack fouls for no apparent reason.

yeh and bill russels blocks were goal tending who gives a **** if jordan pushed abit its not like he wasnt pushed back alot

[QUOTE=Lebron23]If Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are the one who hit that shot after pushing B. Russell most people [b]here in PEX[/b] would go on strike. But at the end of the day it was Michael " Freakin" Jordan greatest player of all time and the man who brought millions and prestige in David Stern's NBA.

That is what you call as a facking Double Standard i hope someday it will never happen in an NBA Finals.


J- Whistle > D-Whistle and Bron Whistle[/QUOTE]

[quote][i]
That is a very unreasonable logic this is the proper way to summarize the game.

bad calls and no-calls are part of the game, and it shouldn't be a reason why you lost a game. In fact, you have 48 minutes of chances to win a ball game.
[/i][/quote]

This guy must the be dumbest rip-off artist, or a patient at a mental institution.

you can tell jordans push off was a foul, because loki only made one or two posts defending him....

J/K Loki

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BVTIYTSCG90[/url]

watch this and plz tell me how any1 can ahte kobe i no his atitude sucks but i mean come on he can still score so much without getting calls

[QUOTE=sick_brah07][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BVTIYTSCG90[/url]

watch this and plz tell me how any1 can ahte kobe i no his atitude sucks but i mean come on he can still score so much without getting calls[/QUOTE]

Yup. He had a span of 5 games or more in which he had this kind of treatment. It's terrible. I'm disgusted at the 1:51 mark.

[QUOTE=Marikina]This guy must the be dumbest rip-off artist, or a patient at a mental institution.[/QUOTE]


Your mom told me your a dumb midget i have 2 accounts in that forum. By the looks of it you live in Marikina i just live in Makati. Maybe i can kick your @ss before i buried you 6 ft and under.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Your mom told me your a dumb midget i have 2 accounts in that forum. By the looks of it you live in Marikina i just live in Makati. Maybe i can kick your @ss before i buried you 6 ft and under.[/QUOTE]

You're the reason why MLH wants to leave this forum. :applause:

[QUOTE=Kobe24]You're the reason why MLH wants to leave this forum. :applause:[/QUOTE]


As usual most Filipinos are full of $hit especially those guys who spend their time insulting other poster.

Speaking of MLH8, why would he be sensitive his friend Matthius is one of the reason i do not want to post in the Cavaliers forum.

People who insult other people are what you called as jerk. In Short if you do not want to be insulted ina forum try acting like a mature person.

Now you see the guy chicken out after i proven him wrong. Typical Filipino attitude running out after proven he got humiliated.

wow this thread died quick.

[QUOTE=Kobe24]Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Especially with this Tim Donaghy crap going on.

[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=w6rl4-7YtXo"]Example of refs not calling fouls[/URL]

[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=BVTIYTSCG90"]Example of refs favoring superstars[/URL]

Refs favor superstars. They sometimes overlook fouls or either give ticky tack fouls for no apparent reason.[/QUOTE]


i dont see how anyone could look at those two links and not come to the conclusion that NBA refs are pathetic.

[QUOTE=kentatm]i dont see how anyone could look at those two links and not come to the conclusion that NBA refs are pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Meh... there was a thread about those games, and people defended each of those calls/non-calls as correct or inconclusive. People will see what they want to see... same with the Jordan play. A few Jordan fans will defend it vigorously, a few Jordan ****** will lambast it, and people who are more reasonable will fall somewhere in the middle.

The interesting thing is that there is at least one ref who officiated in the league who believes it was a foul. Where as this was a fan driven claim before, at the very least, it can no longer be attributed to just fans, whether you believe the play was a foul or not. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=kentatm]i dont see how anyone could look at those two links and not come to the conclusion that NBA refs are pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Lol, and reading some of the responses, it seems that some of those who posted on youtube post on ISH as well...

[QUOTE]there's no fouls any where on this video....Kobe just needs to toughen up and stop being a little girl!!! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]its about time they don't call ***** fouls for kobe...he gets pampered so much in the nba. its a relief to finally see the refs call normal officiating towards kobe[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]psh, kobe bryant is a joke he deserves ths every game. if u watch at 4:51, kobe pushes murray with the hand he didnt slap skin with. a lot of these so called bad calls could go the other way. a lot of times bryant was charging, thats y they dont call them, because he get s fouled and the refs miss it and then he runs over players so it equals out [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebron23]
Your mom told me your a dumb midget i have 2 accounts in that forum. By the looks of it you live in Marikina i just live in Makati. Maybe i can kick your @ss before i buried you 6 ft and under.[/QUOTE]

You just admitted to being two posters that argue two different and conflicting arguments, then using both arguments as a third poster, and I'M "dumb"?

And "your mom told me..."? "I'll kick your ass"? Please tell me that you can come up with something that's not dated.

[QUOTE=Marikina]You just admitted to being two posters that argue two different and conflicting arguments, then using both arguments as a third poster, and I'M "dumb"?

And "your mom told me..."? "I'll kick your ass"? Please tell me that you can come up with something that's not dated.[/QUOTE]


Who in the blue hell are you? Why would i waste my valuable time arguing with a moron.

I just put you in my ignore lists and END OF Discussion

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[QUOTE=Lebron23]Who in the blue hell are you? Why would i waste my valuable time arguing with a moron.

I just put you in my ignore lists and END OF Discussion

[img]http://www.greatdreams.com/planes/bush-finger.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

lebron23....

please stop typing with your horrible english. Brantonli and I are both Chinese and our English are fine. Go study a bit before you write again.

[QUOTE=EricForman]lebron23....

please stop typing with your horrible english. Brantonli and I are both Chinese and our English are fine. Go study a bit before you write again.[/QUOTE]


You are not even Full Chinese you little Jabroni ; you actually live in Binondo which basically means that your a Fil-Chinese.

I know most Fil -Chinese in Binondo are Jordan's number one Byeech.

By the way your english is Horrible as your goofy face.

If you want to make a sock account make sure your intelligent enough to critisize your own grammar and your own country.

By the way you even admit that english is not your first languague deuche bag, so why would you grammar police my sentence.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]You are not even Full Chinese you little Jabroni ; you actually live in Binondo which basically means that your a Fil-Chinese.

I know most Fil -Chinese in Binondo are Jordan's number one Byeech.

By the way your english is Horrible as your goofy face.

If you want to make a sock account make sure your intelligent enough to critisize your own grammar and your own country.

By the way you even admit that english is not your first languague deuche bag, so why would you grammar police my sentence.[/QUOTE]


wait... what? What the hell is a Binondo? I lived in LA but moved back to Hong Kong this year to work, you ass-clown. English isn't my second language, but apparently I've learned enough that I work as a staff writer for an English magazine... it's possible to be fluent in both languages, bro, I know it's a hard concept for you to understand and all...

Seriously, what the hell is a binondo? and what's Fil-chinese? you mean Flips? Are you confusing me with another poster? I've never really talked to you before, but I just thought I'd speak up because you're a weak poster. I think it's funny how you attack someone then next post say "I'm not wasting time with you, you're on my ignore list". Yet you wasted time by attacking them first...:oldlol:

[QUOTE=EricForman]wait... what? What the hell is a Binondo? I lived in LA but moved back to Hong Kong this year to work, you ass-clown. English isn't my second language, but apparently I've learned enough that I work as a staff writer for an English magazine... it's possible to be fluent in both languages, bro, I know it's a hard concept for you to understand and all...

Seriously, what the hell is a binondo? and what's Fil-chinese? you mean Flips? Are you confusing me with another poster? I've never really talked to you before, but I just thought I'd speak up because you're a weak poster. I think it's funny how you attack someone then next post say "I'm not wasting time with you, you're on my ignore list". Yet you wasted time by attacking them first...:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I do not care if your William Shakespeare or some chinese that act as a Chigger in the internet. Personally, I do not have any problem with the Chinese Community i even defend Yao Ming and the next big thing in Asia Yi Jianlian.

By the way you talk you are one of those poster who like to defend Jordan even though the guy has some weakness in his game. Regarding the topic Bruce Lee, the guy has been stalking me since i registered in this site. I am not dumb enough to realize that this SOB is another sock account of the people who dislike my posts.

Do not talk cheap in the internet and i do not care even if you are editor in chief of the Time Magazine. Respect other people before you even think that you belong in a higher level of mastering the Anglo Saxon Language.

[B]So is that enough Mark Twain???[/B]

ok Mr. Miaggi

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Who in the blue hell are you? Why would i waste my valuable time arguing with a moron.

I just put you in my ignore lists and END OF Discussion

<Snips "Bad-Ass Image">[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

A guy pretending to be more than one guy is asking ME who I am? And calls me a "moron", then shows THAT pic?

I must be getting punked here. You can't be THAT bad at this.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]I do not care if your William Shakespeare or some chinese that act as a Chigger in the internet. Personally, I do not have any problem with the Chinese Community i even defend Yao Ming and the next big thing in Asia Yi Jianlian.

By the way you talk you are one of those poster who like to defend Jordan even though the guy has some weakness in his game. Regarding the topic Bruce Lee, the guy has been stalking me since i registered in this site. I am not dumb enough to realize that this SOB is another sock account of the people who dislike my posts.

Do not talk cheap in the internet and i do not care even if you are editor in chief of the Time Magazine. Respect other people before you even think that you belong in a higher level of mastering the Anglo Saxon Language.

So is that enough Mark Twain???[/QUOTE]
totally hilarious. lebron23 on full display:oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

[QUOTE=Marikina]:oldlol:

A guy pretending to be more than one guy is asking ME who I am? And calls me a "moron", then shows THAT pic?

I must be getting punked here. You can't be THAT bad at this.[/QUOTE]

You're on Hell Date!!!!

[QUOTE=Lebron23]I do not care if your William Shakespeare or some chinese that act as a Chigger in the internet. Personally, I do not have any problem with the Chinese Community i even defend Yao Ming and the next big thing in Asia Yi Jianlian.

By the way you talk you are one of those poster who like to defend Jordan even though the guy has some weakness in his game. Regarding the topic Bruce Lee, the guy has been stalking me since i registered in this site. I am not dumb enough to realize that this SOB is another sock account of the people who dislike my posts.

Do not talk cheap in the internet and i do not care even if you are editor in chief of the Time Magazine. Respect other people before you even think that you belong in a higher level of mastering the Anglo Saxon Language.

[B]So is that enough Mark Twain???[/B][/QUOTE]

Stock account?

First of all,starting a second username on one message board is dumb. You're not the only one that does it, so you don't have to feel alone.

Second, I've been a regular here dating back to the old board, so I dunno about you thinking this is a stock account.

You know, you've said some pretty ridiculous things... but the biggest one so far is about Jordan having some weaknesses in his game... LOL. The only knock anyone can ever say about his game is he wasn't a great three point shooter, and calling that a "weakness" is stretching it because he wasn't so bad he was a liability.

[QUOTE=EricForman]Stock account?

First of all,starting a second username on one message board is dumb. You're not the only one that does it, so you don't have to feel alone.

Second, I've been a regular here dating back to the old board, so I dunno about you thinking this is a stock account.

You're a joke man.[/QUOTE]


It is a sock account not a stock account ( this is ain't even the Bank) beside i do not want to argue thoughtless things in the internet.

Unless, i was provoke by another poster i am really respectful to all the ISH Veterans that i do not even argue with them.

So moved on and get focused your mind in the topic w/ out discussing some irrelevant things in this site.

Anyway, why would you ge too defensive Marikina Boy is the one who Hijack this thread??

[QUOTE=Lebron23]It is a sock account not a stock account ( this is ain't even the Bank) beside i do not want to argue thoughtless things in the internet.

Unless, i was provoke by another poster i am really respectful to all the ISH Veterans that i do not even argue with them. So moved on and get straight on the topic w/ out some trolls creating some chaos in this site.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute.. WHAT?

Hey bro... why don't you type in Chinese... I can read that, I think I can understand you better. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=EricForman]Wait a minute.. WHAT?

Hey bro... why don't you type in Chinese... I can read that, I think I can understand you better. HAHAHAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]

I do not speak Chinese but i like chinese culture.

[B]my favorite meal is the Chinese Noodles.[/B]


[img]http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/TGR/TGR144/pma05008.jpg[/img]

[B]My Favorite Martial Artists is Bruce Lee[/B]

[img]http://www.jkd.com.au/images/Lee%2001.jpg[/img]

[B]
My Favorite NBA Center is Yao Ming[/B]


[img]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/18/yao_ming_narrowweb__300x528,0.jpg[/img]

[B]My Favorite Foreign Actor is Keanu Reeves who is Half Chinese- Half Caucasian American[/B]

[img]http://www.fresnobeehive.com/archives/upload/2007/03/keanu-reeves-big.jpg[/img]

[B]My Favorite Asian Actress is Ziyi Zhang[/B]

[img]http://images.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_99/alt/83-ziyi%20zhang%20-%20Kevin%20Mazur.jpg[/img]


So, I can definitely understand you because i can relate to your culture with out speaking any language.

^^

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

:wtf: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then please tell me what your first language is... and thanks for posting easy to read pictures post. Because your last two post... dude you lost me completely, I didn't even know how to reply cause I didnt know what you said.

By the way, I just noticed that picture you posted isn't even Chinese noodles... that's ramen, guy... IT'S JAPANESE.

hahahah