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[QUOTE=skillswithaz]He's comparing the leagues! Not every single soccer team in the world versus an extremely small portion (yet well marketed) of the world's football teams.[/QUOTE]
you're not getting it either. If you take attention off all those smaller teams and put them into the bigger leagues then it would make more money.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]wtf??
so ALL of Europe is rich???
obviously there are poor parts of Europe...
but since you asked me to back it up alright....let us compare Europe to the Untited States
[B]United States:[/B]
Unemployment : 4.4%
GDP : $13.13 trillion
GDP per capita : $44k
population : 299,811,596
[B]Europe:[/B]
Unemployment : 8.8%
GDP : $12.82 trillion(US)
GDP per capita : $29k(US)
[B]population : 710,000,000[/B]
In other words, Europe has more than twice as many peoiple than the United States yet we have more money....
the average American has 2x more money than the average Euro
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Europe[/url][/QUOTE]
Averages are a bad beast.
Notwithstanding the fact that those average are generated including many countries that are just getting out from a really long period of desperation, you forget the trite joke:
If I have two chickens and you have no chicken, the average says we both have a chicken, while I'm fat and you're starving.
(that means that researches have shown how US, while being at the same time a country with plenty of rich people, has much more poor people than europe, for example)
[QUOTE=Hawker]you're not getting it either. If you take attention off all those smaller teams and put them into the bigger leagues then it would make more money.[/QUOTE]
the only thing im not getting is what you just wrote.
if you take attention off of smaller teams (you mean attention as in marketing? how much money the make?) and put them in bigger leagues it would make more money. (but if you took attention away from a team wouldn't it make less money?)
And I think I'm the only one in the thread that does get what Primetime is talking about actually.
[QUOTE=skillswithaz]He's comparing the leagues! Not every single soccer team in the world versus an extremely small portion (yet well marketed) of the world's football teams.[/QUOTE]
what I was trying to say is that it's not an extremely small portion. It almost all the football that exists on the planet. With small exceptions (to which I belong) nobody gives a damn about it outside the us.
I guess soccer is "richer", but money is far more spreaded.
Moreover, people already told you that there's not such a league in europe
the fact is that the concept of "sports league" outside the us doesn't exist.
they're called leagues, or ligas, or Lega, sure, but they've nothing to do with what you think to when you hear Nba or Nfl
[QUOTE=Hawker]ok...does that prove they are poor?[/QUOTE]
now this is a dumb question....it without a doubt shows that alot of them are poor....8.8% of those 710,000,000 people are unemployed
ALL OF THEM???.....no
some of them?...yes
to be honest, when I think of Europe I think of smelly, unbathed people that don't shave and have bad teeth.
I am now failing to see what you are getting at though....are you trying to claim that none of them are poor?
you said I was dumb to say that alot of Europe is poor....well prove me wrong instead of "just pulling it out of your ass".
the whole point of that statement was to show why it is that the NFL makes more money.....because we have more money
[QUOTE=skillswithaz]the only thing im not getting is what you just wrote.
if you take attention off of smaller teams (you mean attention as in marketing? how much money the make?) and put them in bigger leagues it would make more money. (but if you took attention away from a team wouldn't it make less money?)
And I think I'm the only one in the thread that does get what Primetime is talking about actually.[/QUOTE]
What he's trying to say is that if there were only 32 soccer professional soccer teams in the world they would be much richer than how are now the richest 32 soccer teams in the world
[QUOTE=orfeomorfeo-ita]Averages are a bad beast.
Notwithstanding the fact that those average are generated including many countries that are just getting out from a really long period of desperation, you forget the trite joke:
If I have two chickens and you have no chicken, the average says we both have a chicken, while I'm fat and you're starving.
([B]that means that researches have shown how US, while being at the same time a country with plenty of rich people, has much more poor people than europe, for example[/B])[/QUOTE]
that is why I included the unemployment %
the United States has a bigger middle class
[QUOTE=-primetime-]that is why I included the unemployment %
the United States has a bigger middle class[/QUOTE]
Uhm. I'm not following you. Apart, again, that you shouldn't take for molten gold those averages, as they include countries like Poland, Romany, Hungary, Bulgary, Turkey.. etc. etc. .. that are in deep trouble (In italy we have an unemployment rate bween 6 and 7 and we consider high in comparison with other european countries.. so I guess there's a much lower rate in east countries, that lowers the average)... what do you mean with middle class?
I think we have less rich people, but we DO have free education and healthcare system.
If someone is poor, here, he is entitled to education and health formally by our Constitution and pratically by laws that permit you to attend universities and receive medical treatment with statal money.
I've never been in the US yet, but I've been told that if someone is poor, there, and not particulary endowed in his field, he won't attend University. And if he is very poor, and ill, he can die, for what the government cares.
[QUOTE=orfeomorfeo-ita]Uhm. I'm not following you. Apart, again, that you shouldn't take for molten gold those averages, as they include countries like Poland, Romany, Hungary, Bulgary, Turkey.. etc. etc. .. that are in deep trouble (In italy we have an unemployment rate bween 6 and 7 and we consider high in comparison with other european countries.. so I guess there's a much lower rate in east countries, that lowers the average)... what do you mean with middle class?
I think we have less rich people, but we DO have free education and healthcare system.
If someone is poor, here, he is entitled to education and health formally by our Constitution and pratically by laws that permit you to attend universities and receive medical treatment with statal money.
I've never been in the US yet, but I've been told that if someone is poor, there, and not particulary endowed in his field, he won't attend University. And if he is very poor, and ill, he can die, for what the government cares.[/QUOTE]
it is simple...
8.8% of Europe's 710,000,000 population is unemployed.
that is 62,480,000 people
4.4% of the United States 300,000,000 population is unemployed.
that is 13,200,000 people
[B]thus there are more poor people in Europe than in the United States[/B]....the unemployment % proves your theory that "averages are bad" wrong
[B][size=3]If we have so much more money than them why is that they always turn their noses up at us like we are a bunch of mostly dumb, uneducated, uncultured rednecks?
Europe has a 9% unemployment rate? Wow. :eek: I thought that was just in Germany and France. Combined with that poll that someone posted the other day that has 3 to 4 times as many Americans who are happy with their lives versus the Euros, my view of Europe is really changing.[/size][/B]
ok primetime...why dont the rich people in europe play football?
That is where your logic if flawed.
America in "has lots of money" shocker
[QUOTE=-primetime-]the value of those teams are all listed in the OP
they are below most NFL teams...except for Manchester United[/QUOTE]
Did you even read my post? Obviously not, because if you did, you would understand that I meant if you take away most of the leagues and only give those who want to watch pro football only those 32 teams or so, the amount those squads make will skyrocket.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]those are the teams that play for the World Cup right?:confusedshrug:
am I supposed to include college football as well...
this is just a comparison of the NFL to World Soccer....that doesn't include the MLS or any other league....teams that play for the World Cup[/QUOTE]
I didn't know ManU was a country, nor Inter Milan, nor AC Milan, nor Barcelona, etc. etc. etc. Is there a World Cup of Clubs, yes, but the World Cup is [B]ONLY[/B] nations.
What does college football have to do with pro sports? Plus, those college players go into the NFL, while, a [I]real[/I] football player in college can go to the MLS, EPL, Serie A, etc. etc. etc.
If you want to compare the NFL to world football, compare how much the World Cup made vs what the NFL makes.
[QUOTE=Hawker]ok primetime...why dont the rich people in europe play football?
That is where your logic if flawed.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand your question...
I just am trying to say that the NFL makes more money because it is in America....a place that has more money....get it?
people in Europe rich/poor don't play football because there is no football...
are thier schools in Europe with football teams?
[QUOTE=qrich]Did you even read my post? Obviously not, because if you did, you would understand that I meant if you take away most of the leagues and only give those who want to watch pro football only those 32 teams or so, the amount those squads make will skyrocket.
I didn't know ManU was a country, nor Inter Milan, nor AC Milan, nor Barcelona, etc. etc. etc. Is there a World Cup of Clubs, yes, but the World Cup is [B]ONLY[/B] nations.
What does college football have to do with pro sports? Plus, those college players go into the NFL, while, a [I]real[/I] football player in college can go to the MLS, EPL, Serie A, etc. etc. etc.
If you want to compare the NFL to world football, compare how much the World Cup made vs what the NFL makes.[/QUOTE]
what league are all those teams in???
I seriously don't know....I just found that Forbes article that compares the NFL to World soccer....that is all
are those all the EPL teams?
Well, it probably indicates that, for marketing, America is better than the sum of the other countries.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]what league are all those teams in???
I seriously don't know....I just found that Forbes article that compares the NFL to World soccer....that is all
are those all the EPL teams?[/QUOTE]
Milan or Barcelona are in England? Are you really THAT dumb?:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=Pakalolo]Milan or Barcelona are in England? Are you really THAT dumb?:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
uhhh...did i say they weren't?
[QUOTE=-primetime-]uhhh...did i say they weren't?[/QUOTE]
So you're saying they are?:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Out Of Shape][B][size=3]If we have so much more money than them why is that they always turn their noses up at us like we are a bunch of mostly dumb, uneducated, uncultured rednecks?
Europe has a 9% unemployment rate? Wow. :eek: I thought that was just in Germany and France. Combined with that poll that someone posted the other day that has 3 to 4 times as many Americans who are happy with their lives versus the Euros, my view of Europe is really changing.[/size][/B][/QUOTE]
who gives a damn ur view is changing
you ARE the dumb, uneducated, uncultured redneck
Thanks for providing a VERY, VERY, VERY old list -primetime-
I'll only do Top 10, since I can't be screwed doing any more then that. Anyway, the lists don't mean anything. It's just how much teams make per year. It's not a net worth of how much they make. I'm almost certain that if it were, then teams like Chelsea and Barcelona, and even Manchester would have be worth much more then they are. It also deducts for every time a team spends money on a player (Soccer is the worlds highest paying game by a wide margin).
Anyway, this is how the real list looks..
1. Machester United $1,436
2. Real Madrid $1,036
3. Arsenal $915
4. Bayern Munich $838
5. AC Milan $824
6. Juventus $567
7. Inter Milan $555
8. Chelsea $537
9. Barcelona $535
10. Schalke 04 $471
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/03/29/biz_07soccer_all_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000"]Top 25[/URL]
Also, can you provide revenue for NFL teams -primetime-, I'd like to see how they stack up against the Soccer ones.
[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn][B]Thanks for providing a VERY, VERY, VERY old list -primetime-[/B]
[/QUOTE]
2004....3 years old
someone told me that the Cowboys just recently passed the Redskins .....
I know the Cowboys are worth at least 1.1 billion now...
I can't find a 2007 list...I will keep trying though
[QUOTE=-primetime-]2004....3 years old
someone told me that the Cowboys just recently passed the Redskins .....
I know the Cowboys are worth at least 1.1 billion now...
I can't find a 2007 list...I will keep trying though[/QUOTE]
Well, Leeds is bankrupt. A lot happens in 3 years, you know.
Anyway, the highest revenued team is Barcelona at $327 million. I'll post the entire thing later on.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]what league are all those teams in???
I seriously don't know....I just found that Forbes article that compares the NFL to World soccer....that is all
are those all the EPL teams?[/QUOTE]
Ok, at least you admit you don't know where those squads belong too. Not trying to put you down, but thanks for finally admitting something instead of coming back with a pretty bad response to hide it. Here are some of the most popular teams in each major league:
Premier League[England]: Chelsea, ManU, Liverpool, Arsenal
Serie A[Italy]: AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventes, Roma
La Liga[Spain]: Barcelona, Real Madrid
MLS[US obviously]: LA Galaxy
Bundesliga[Germany]: Bayern Munich, Stuttgart
Ligue 1[France]: Lyon
Eredivisie[Holland]: PSV Eindhoven, AFC Ajax
Russian Premier League: CSKA MoscowDynamo Moscow
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Juventus is in the second league.
[QUOTE=qrich]Ok, at least you admit you don't know where those squads belong too. Not trying to put you down, but thanks for finally admitting something instead of coming back with a pretty bad response to hide it. Here are some of the most popular teams in each major league:
Premier League[England]: Chelsea, ManU, Liverpool, Arsenal
Serie A[Italy]: AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventes, Roma
La Liga[Spain]: Barcelona, Real Madrid
MLS[US obviously]: LA Galaxy
Bundesliga[Germany]: Bayern Munich, Stuttgart
Ligue 1[France]: Lyon
Eredivisie[Holland]: PSV Eindhoven, AFC Ajax
Russian Premier League: CSKA MoscowDynamo Moscow
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[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]^
Juventus is in the second league.[/QUOTE]
Juve was in the Serie B, but they have been promoted back last I heard.
Wiki:
[QUOTE]With the exception of one season,[4] the club has spent its entire history in the top flight of Italian football.[5] After winning Serie B, Juventus were promoted back to Serie A for the 2007
[QUOTE=-primetime-]ok so that was a list of the top 20 teams from ALL the leagues???
so now I can see why that would not include the world cup because the world cup is different...all the players from those leagues get together and play for thier home country right?[/QUOTE]
That was some of the most popular from the major leagues.
Correct, the World Cup is like the World Basketball Championships, or whatever. Doesn't matter if your Brazilian but play in Italy for a club, because if you are on the World Cup or National Team, your going to play for them. Example: Kaka and Ronaldinho are both Brazillian and play for Brazil, but Kaka is currently playing in Italy while Ronaldinho is playing in Spain, but when the World Cup or other national games roll aorund, they'll play for Brazil.[Sorry, I know it was sort of confusing, just tired]
NOW, there is a World Cup for Club teams, but it's not very popular yet.
ok I get it now....
they say this at the end:
NFL totals (32 Teams) $23,443
NFL totals (Top 20 Teams) $15,881
World Soccer totals (20 Teams) $8,853
[B]Number of "Leeds United" equivalent teams needed to equal NFL valuation / revenue: 99 [/B]
according to you guys Leeds is now bankrupt but in 2004 they were worth $150 mill....
so they are saying that there would have to be 99 more teams worth $150 mill in World soccer to equal the NFL....but there are not 99 more worth that much.
so in 2004 the NFL was worth more than ALL soccer clubs combined...although that could be different now in 2007 with Beckham and everything
[QUOTE=qrich]Juve was in the Serie B, but they have been promoted back last I heard.
Wiki:[/QUOTE]
Didn't they have a 15 point deduction from the Serie B league as well though, or did they win the league by more then 15 points? Sorry, I haven't had a look at the Italian league standings or results in a LONG time. They were at the 3rd game of the season when I last checked.
[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]Didn't they have a 15 point deduction from the Serie B league as well though, or did they win the league by more then 15 points? Sorry, I haven't had a look at the Italian league standings or results in a LONG time. They were at the 3rd game of the season when I last checked.[/QUOTE]
I'm in the same boat as you, I was talking with friends, and they said they were promoted for winning the Serie B, but I thought they lost it with the decution and according to Wiki, they have been promoted.
It's sad how most people know AC, Inter, Roma, Juve but the Serie A hardly gets any coverage.
[QUOTE=-primetime-]ok I get it now....
they say this at the end:
NFL totals (32 Teams) $23,443
NFL totals (Top 20 Teams) $15,881
World Soccer totals (20 Teams) $8,853
[B]Number of "Leeds United" equivalent teams needed to equal NFL valuation / revenue: 99 [/B]
according to you guys Leeds is now bankrupt but in 2004 they were worth $150 mill....
so they are saying that there would have to be 99 more teams worth $150 mill in World soccer to equal the NFL....but there are not 99 more worth that much.
so in 2004 the NFL was worth more than ALL soccer clubs combined...although that could be different now in 2007 with Beckham and everything[/QUOTE]
I said it before..
[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]I'll only do Top 10, since I can't be screwed doing any more then that. Anyway, the lists don't mean anything. It's just how much teams make per year. It's not a net worth of how much they make. I'm almost certain that if it were, then teams like Chelsea and Barcelona, and even Manchester would have be worth much more then they are. It also deducts for every time a team spends money on a player (Soccer is the worlds highest paying game by a wide margin).[/QUOTE]
They don't take everything into effect. Like for instance, the money gets deducted when you spend it on a player. No league in the world, except for probably MLS has a salary cap like the American Sports do, and the price of players now is well above anything the NFL players are getting paid. If they didn't subtract the money they spent on players, I can tell you that this list wouldn't even be close.
Barcelona and Real Madrid for instance would have at least another 200+ million added onto them. As would Chelsea, who have the highest paying (to players) management in the world.
The NFL is controlled by the salary cap, meaning they would be much lower in this list in terms of team value had they been allowed to spend however much they wanted on players like every club in Europe is allowed.
Understand?
[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]I said it before..
They don't take everything into effect. Like for instance, the money gets deducted when you spend it on a player. No league in the world, except for probably MLS has a salary cap like the American Sports do, and the price of players now is well above anything the NFL players are getting paid. If they didn't subtract the money they spent on players, I can tell you that this list wouldn't even be close.
Barcelona and Real Madrid for instance would have at least another 200+ million added onto them. As would Chelsea, who have the highest paying (to players) management in the world.
The NFL is controlled by the salary cap, meaning they would be much lower in this list in terms of team value had they been allowed to spend however much they wanted on players like every club in Europe is allowed.
Understand?[/QUOTE]
yeah...I can understand how it takes more money to run more teams and shorting it to only 32 teams would attract all the fans that did not have a team...true
and the point on the salary cap is true as well...I have no idea what the salary cap is in soccer but I will take your word for it that they make more than NFL players I guess....although I could have sworn I saw that Peyton Manning was the #2 highest paid athlete last year...but I believe you...
btw... 5000 posts
yeah to me!
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[QUOTE=-primetime-]
btw... 5000 posts
yeah to me!
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Congratulations.
[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]Congratulations.[/QUOTE]
thank you thank you thank you
anyways...
someone needs to hunt down a 2007 NFL value list...I can't find one...I want to see how much my Boys are worth these days and if they are #1 now
i also wouldn't mind seeing how much the Yankees are worth...
[QUOTE=-primetime-]yeah...I can understand how it takes more money to run more teams and shorting it to only 32 teams would attract all the fans that did not have a team...true
and the point on the salary cap is true as well...I have no idea what the salary cap is in soccer but I will take your word for it that they make more than NFL players I guess....although I could have sworn I saw that Peyton Manning was the #2 highest paid athlete last year...but I believe you...
btw... 5000 posts
yeah to me!
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good for u, damn hillybilly redneck.
have you bred with ur sister yet?
damn amerikans.
[QUOTE=LowRider236]good for u, damn hillybilly redneck.
have you bred with ur sister yet?
damn amerikans.[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug: Where are you from?
He's lives on the corner of Desperate and Lonely.
[QUOTE=LowRider236]good for u, damn hillybilly redneck.
have you bred with ur sister yet?
damn amerikans.[/QUOTE]
you must really hate your life....
do us all a favor and jump off a building....your life is headed that way anyway.