[QUOTE=gts]and that a deal was in place before the draft[/QUOTE]
thanks gts.
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[QUOTE=gts]and that a deal was in place before the draft[/QUOTE]
thanks gts.
[QUOTE=NewYorkUSCtrojan][B]*Shaking Head* Listen up. Kobe Bryant signed with William Morris. William Morris Agency are "AGENTS", not advisors. Are you this thick-headed?[/B][/QUOTE]
You really are a ja[SIZE="2"]ck[/SIZE]ass.
Early in this thread I said, "I believe Kobe 'only' had advisors not agents. Same function but a loophole in wording."
You then bring up Kobe Bryant signing with William Morris. WM is not a sporting agency and does not speak to NBA teams. So that means Kobe either spoke to NBA suits himself or had someone guiding him.
My response was "Maybe that's why he only had advisors." (if I knew you would be such a jackass about it I would have typed "Maybe that's [B]why I was told[/B] he only had advisors")
I think it's clear to anyone with decent reading comprehension that I'm not arguing his signing with an agency. I'm simply speaking on why I was under the impression that he only had advisors through the draft process... which WM has no hand in because they only do endorsments and not player contracts.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]That's silly. So if you don't like were you got drafted you can go back to college but are stuck where you got drafted? What's the point then? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
No, Bird never declared for the draft. He was automatically eligible under the then-CBA, and he also had one year of NCAA eligibility left. Since he had no intention of playing in the NBA that year, and he had done nothing to void his eligibility, he played one more year.
Anyway, there's useful information here that explains why Kobe could not go back to college, no matter what team drafted him: [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/1998/07/01/mcdavid_back/[/url]
[QUOTE=Da KO King]You really are a ja[SIZE="2"]ck[/SIZE]ass.
Early in this thread I said, "I believe Kobe 'only' had advisors not agents. Same function but a loophole in wording."
You then bring up Kobe Bryant signing with William Morris. WM is not a sporting agency and does not speak to NBA teams. So that means Kobe either spoke to NBA suits himself or had someone guiding him.
My response was "Maybe that's why he only had advisors." (if I knew you would be such a jackass about it I would have typed "Maybe that's [B]why I was told[/B] he only had advisors")
I think it's clear to anyone with decent reading comprehension that I'm not arguing his signing with an agency. I'm simply speaking on why I was under the impression that he only had advisors through the draft process... which WM has no hand in because they only do endorsments and not player contracts.[/QUOTE]
Okay, retard. Who are his advisors? William Morris? They're "AGENTS", f-tard! Signing with any Agents loses his NCAA playing rights.
You were convinced Kobe Bryant had "NO AGENTS", which you are wrong. Stop covering up your ass. You're nothing but a coward, trying to be right. But you're wrong. Admit it and move on.
In terms of "Agents". GOBB posted a link stating he did have an "AGENT" entering the draft. You're wrong on all account. Admit it and move on...
[QUOTE]No, Bird never declared for the draft....[/QUOTE]
No I wasn't talking about Larry; just talking in general.
Kind of silly to say "if the draft didn't work out how you like you can come back... but you still have to go to the NBA team that made you want to go back to college."
Can someone please tell me that they understand what I'm saying because this kat obviously isn't getting it?
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Can someone please tell me that they understand what I'm saying because this kat obviously isn't getting it?[/QUOTE]what are you saying exactly
A fan of Tonie? Go figure..Kid is losing his mind.
GOBB posted a link, stating Kobe Bryant did have an "AGENT" entering the draft. This kid is still trying to cover his ass.. *shaking head*
[QUOTE=gts]what are you saying exactly[/QUOTE]
That's what I am trying to figure out now. First, he said Kobe Bryant only had advisor entering the draft. GOBB posted a link saying, Kobe Bryant had an "AGENT" entering the draft. Now, he's going on a rampage trying to be right..
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Can someone please tell me that they understand what I'm saying because this kat obviously isn't getting it?[/QUOTE]
yeah, i got you. you HEARD something that didn't turn out to be accurate - namely that he wasn't covered by an nba agent during the draft because one of his agencies wasn't repping him in bball negotiations and you weren't aware of the other. i don't know why anyone would want to have a slap fight about it anyway. it doesn't speak to bryant's character in either case except in terms of how much leverage he had, and if gobb's quoted material is right the only difference from your initial post and what actually happened is that he threatened to go to italy rather than duke if someone not named west wound up with him.
i do have another question for everyone though: would it have been possible for the lakers to trade divac (w/ a package of campbell and maybe van excel) for someone or someones who would actually have helped the lakers start winning titles in the 90s? kobe wasn't a great fit at first (rookie who duplicated a lot of eddie jones's skills) and elden was an awful fit, so it's possible that the team could have been significantly better initially if they'd gone another way - though obviously they'd be watching kobe score a zillion points a season right now and probably tearing their hair out hearing about how they gave up the second coming.
You [b]couldn't[/b] go back to college, though. NCAA is an amateur organization, and they took that pretty seriously back in the day. Attending workouts, hiring agents, getting drafted, that was all stuff that could screw with your eligibility. Occasionally, things would happen, such as Bird's case, where he was technically a senior, and therefore automatically eligible for the draft, whether he wanted to be drafted or not, but [b]also[/b] had only used up 3 years of his NCAA eligibility, and hence was able to go back. Basically, you could say that he was drafted through no fault of his own, so he was able to go back.
You couldn't just choose to go back to school. Mostly, it was because back in Bird's day, players did not declare early as much. If you were drafted, it usually meant you've already used up all 4 years, and couldn't go back to school. If you declared early, that would void your NCAA eligibility.
[QUOTE=dejordan]yeah, i got you. you HEARD something that didn't turn out to be accurate.[/QUOTE]
All he needed to do was to admit he was wrong and move on. End of story..But, no....He went on a rampage attacking me, calling names, etcs..
I don't get this board man. Bunch of losers with lots of time on their hands...
[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]You [b]couldn't[/b] go back to college, though. .[/QUOTE]
Exactly, SomeBunghole. SomeBunghole been trying to set Da Kong Hole right too. But the kid is in his own little world..
[QUOTE=dejordan]yeah, i got you. you HEARD something that didn't turn out to be accurate - namely that he wasn't covered by an nba agent during the draft because one of his agencies wasn't repping him in bball negotiations and you weren't aware of the other. i don't know why anyone would want to have a slap fight about it anyway....[/QUOTE]
At least someone gets it.
Hell, I haven't even spoken on Kobe's eligibility since the first page.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]At least someone gets it.
Hell, I haven't even spoken on Kobe's eligibility since the first page.[/QUOTE]
Just admit your wrong. GOBB posted a link stating Kobe Bryant did have an "AGENT". Admit your wrong and move on.
No one was talking about Kobe's eligibility. You were convinced on Kobe Bryant not having an "AGENT". Facts has been shown. Man up now. Now you are spinning the entire story. 5,000 post counts shows, making stupid post after stupid post.. Man up son..!
[QUOTE=NewYorkUSCtrojan]Just admit your wrong. GOBB posted a link stating Kobe Bryant did have an "AGENT". Admit your wrong and move on.
No one was talking about Kobe's eligibility. You were convinced on Kobe Bryant not having an "AGENT". Facts has been shown. Man up now. Now you are spinning the entire story. 5,000 post counts shows, making stupid post after stupid post.. Man up son..![/QUOTE]
now i pretty much never bother to defend anybody on this board (myself included anymore), cause what's the point? sticks and stones and bytes etc, but i will here because this is just unnecessary.
king knows more about the actual game of basketball and how it is coached and played than about 99% of this board (myself included here as well), and has created some of the most intersting threads i've read. you're calling him out about a technicallity that he never claimed to know as a fact but as a rumor. all this other bs has been him trying to explain why he originally believed it to be true that kobe wasn't officially repped by an nba agent not to prove that he was correct or that anybody else was wrong, just that he had a reason for thinking the way he did.
for some reason this offends you and nobody else. imo this messageboard doesn't particularly need people who apparently have good nba knowledge but would rather not talk about ball, but instead act as watchdogs and lawyers cause for them it's all about anonymous justice. for all those interested in policing the correctitude of your fellow users, it's not too late to take "matlock" as your username.
What dejordan said.
Getting back on track, Kobe's threat to play in Italy may not seem like much of a threat nowadays, but back then it was a serious thing. The Clippers took Danny Ferry second back in 1989, and he promptly retaliated by playing in Italy for a year. Before that, in '84, a future All Star center Joe Barry Carrol played in Italy for a year due to a contract dispute with the Warriors. in 1990, Brian Shaw also bolted to Italy in a contract dispute with the Celtics.
Now, this didn't mean their teams got completely shafted, with Ferry's rights being retained indefinitely by the Clippers, and Shaw and Carroll not being able to play in the NBA until the issues were resolved, but it's not a pleasant situation for a team. The Clippers ended up trading Ferry, who turned out to be a ****e player anyway, but the entire situation was in retrospect the start of a very lean decade for the club, where the management made one blunder after another.
Though having the 8th pick in the draft isn't as valuable as having a top-3 pick, the Nets(or any other team) certainly wanted to avoid wasting it on a player who would play in Europe(see Fran Vasquez fiasco).
[QUOTE=dejordan]
for some reason this offends you and nobody else. imo this messageboard doesn't particularly need people who apparently have good nba knowledge but would rather not talk about ball, but instead act as watchdogs and lawyers cause for them it's all about anonymous justice. for all those interested in policing the correctitude of your fellow users, it's not too late to take "matlock" as your username.[/QUOTE]
I do not beleive correctitude is a word and will not rest until you take it back.
[QUOTE=John Starks]I do not beleive correctitude is a word and will not rest until you take it back.[/QUOTE]
and i'm pretty sure "beleive" is not a word. you probably meant belize.
[QUOTE=dejordan]and i'm pretty sure "beleive" is not a word. you probably meant belize.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that you cannot start a sentance with the word "and", am very sure that you cannot start a sentance with a lower case "a" or "y" and am absolutely positude that you cannot spell "i'm" with a lower case "I".
Now admit that you were wrong or I'll be forcitude to take serious action.
[QUOTE=John Starks]I'm pretty sure that you cannot start a sentance with the word "and", am very sure that you cannot start a sentance with a lower case "a" or "y" and am absolutely positude that you cannot spell "i'm" with a lower case "I".
Now admit that you were wrong or I'll be forcitude to take serious action.[/QUOTE]
i admit nothing! NOTHING! [SIZE="2"]NOTHING!!![/SIZE]
now if you were to change your ID to "matlock" i'd have no choice, because you'd have old-timey law on your side.
[B]Shinn calls Divac deal best in Hornets history[/B]
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (Aug 20, 1996 - 23:05 EST) -- His new boss apparently wasn't
listening Tuesday when Vlade Divac said how good it was to get away from Los Angeles
and the pressure that surrounds playing for the Lakers. Divac, the Charlotte Hornets'
new center, said he had grown somewhat weary of unrealistic expectations that
surrounded his seven-year stay in Los Angeles. But Hornets owner George Shinn made it
clear he has his own high hopes for the deal that brought Divac to Charlotte in
exchange for the Lakers getting the rights to first-round draft pick Kobe Bryant.
[B]"I think this is probably the best trade we've made in the history of the franchise,"[/B]
said Shinn, whose club slipped from a 50-game winner to one that missed the playoffs
last season. While Shinn hopes the deal triggers the Hornets' return to the NBA's
upper echelon, Divac said he's just thankful for a fresh start. "In your life you
always need changes, to find a new challenge," he said. "And I think it's perfect
timing for me. A new city, a new club -- what could be better? You come to a city
where people like basketball, where you have a great organization and try to win
basketball games and enjoy yourself. I think that's what's important for me."
Divac initially balked at the trade, saying he would rather retire than leave Los
Angeles, the only city he has called home since emigrating from his native
Yugoslavia. Divac said Tuesday his first thoughts were clouded by concern for his
wife, Ana, and their two young sons, Luka and Matia, and the roots the family has
established in California. "Emotions start working so fast, so that was my reaction,"
Divac said. "But basically, I'm so happy that I'm here." When Divac told his wife of
the trade and his decision to retire, she flew to Germany, where he was on an
exhibition tour with the Yugoslavia Olympic team. Ana said she convinced him that at
age 28, he was too young to give up basketball. "It's what he does. It's what he's
done all his life," she said. "At first, it was hard for us, but now I think we're
going to do well here." Divac said the family will keep its home in the Los Angeles
suburb of Pacific Palisades and rent a home in the Charlotte area. His wife and
children will come to Charlotte when the Hornets have homestands. Tuesday was the
first trip to Charlotte for Divac and his wife since the July 11 trade. He helped
Yugoslavia win a silver medal in the Olympics, then took some time off to relax.
Divac appears to have adjusted quickly to his new team and new coach, Dave Cowens,
whom he refers to as "Coach Dave." "He may not like me a whole lot by the end of
October," a grinning Cowens said, "but right now we're pretty good buddies." The
7-foot-1, 250-pound Divac has averaged 12.5 points over his NBA career. Last season
he led the Lakers in rebounding for the fourth consecutive season and finished 14th
in the league in blocks, 22nd in field-goal percentage and 24th in rebounding. Hakeem
Olajuwon was the only center in the league with more assists than Divac. "This man
really knows how to play," said Bob Bass, Charlotte's vice president of basketball
operations. "We're getting a shot-blocker, we're getting a rebounder, we're getting a
scorer and we're getting one of the great passers in the NBA." "I'm not maybe a man
who can take a franchise to the top by myself," Divac said, "but I can make a lot of
players on my team better."
[url]http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.basketball.nba.char-hornets/browse_thread/thread/654007c77eb1526a/162ffd82524584c8?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Charlotte+Hornets+kobe+vlade#162ffd82524584c8[/url]
[QUOTE=gts]according to sonny vicaro, addidas guy, west saw kobe work out and wanted him, west went to vicaro because addidas had a deal in place for kobe if he went pro. vicaro contacted kobe and kobe said if he could go to the lakers he would indeed turn pro, west and the hornets were already talking trade because of shaq and a deal was struck that they would draft kobe and trade him to the lakers, kobe hired an agent before the draft on the advice of vicarro and the rest is history... radio and the print media here in la knew for a week before the draft and were talking about it nonstop[/QUOTE]
yep. I watched an interview with West where he said after Kobe worked out for the Lakers, he knew he had to do anything to get him
[URL="http://www.journalnow.com/archives/article_e7a4ddee-ed8d-5be1-9b81-723b924628ec.html"]http://www.journalnow.com/archives/article_e7a4ddee-ed8d-5be1-9b81-723b924628ec.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=dejordan]the way i heard it, ownership really wanted kittles for some reason, but agreed that if kittles wasn't available at their pick they would draft kobe.[/QUOTE]
In the war room I don't believe they even spoke about Kobe
[QUOTE=GOBB][url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7394204[/url]
[I]At the 1996 draft, business compelled Bryant to bluff his way out of New Jersey and into Hollywood. His agent, Arn Tellem, and sneaker benefactor, Sonny Vaccaro, told the Nets their client would play in Italy if they had the nerve to pick him.
The Nets blinked at No. 8, Bryant fell to Charlotte at No. 13, and the Lakers sent Vlade Divac to the Hornets in a pre-arranged trade[/I]
[url]http://www.mindritesports.com/category/washington-wizards/[/url]
[I]2. The Charlotte Hornets trade the draft rights to the 13th pick in the 1996 NBA Draft Kobe Bryant to the Los Angeles Lakers for Vlade Divac.
As the story goes
[QUOTE=John Starks][B][U]There are two versions of this story[/U][/B] - despite bold posting, no one reaslly knows the answer (besides those who were involved).
In the Kobe is a prick version - KObe said at the draft said "I only want to play for the Lakers" - Yi style - so the Hornets were forced into makign the Vlade deal (which really wans't that bad for them)
In the Char is a bunch of idiots version - Char. did not value Kobe, but big genius Jerry West singularly recognized Kobe's greatness and Char made a terrible deal.
Both Char and Kobe worked hard to spin it the other way -- but since Kobe has been around longer than Char. mgmt and has more fans, his version is slowly becoming more the truth.
The truth likely lies in the middle. Kobe only wanted to play for LA. Total b!tch move, but we see it annually. Char did not value anyone in the draft after Kobe as much as the Lakers package (not a bad package at all) they agreed with LA for this deal.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the made up one by Kobe haters, and the documented truth:lol
[url]http://www.journalnow.com/archives/article_e7a4ddee-ed8d-5be1-9b81-723b924628ec.html[/url]
[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]What dejordan said.
Getting back on track, [B][U]Kobe's threat to play in Italy may not seem like much of a threat nowadays[/U][/B], but back then it was a serious thing. The Clippers took Danny Ferry second back in 1989, and he promptly retaliated by playing in Italy for a year. Before that, in '84, a future All Star center Joe Barry Carrol played in Italy for a year due to a contract dispute with the Warriors. in 1990, Brian Shaw also bolted to Italy in a contract dispute with the Celtics.
Now, this didn't mean their teams got completely shafted, with Ferry's rights being retained indefinitely by the Clippers, and Shaw and Carroll not being able to play in the NBA until the issues were resolved, but it's not a pleasant situation for a team. The Clippers ended up trading Ferry, who turned out to be a ****e player anyway, but the entire situation was in retrospect the start of a very lean decade for the club, where the management made one blunder after another.
Though having the 8th pick in the draft isn't as valuable as having a top-3 pick, the Nets(or any other team) certainly wanted to avoid wasting it on a player who would play in Europe(see Fran Vasquez fiasco).[/QUOTE]
Link, bruh?
Jerry West looked at Kobe weeks and months before draft as a possible candidate for the Lakers.
Kobe had no say in this
[QUOTE=hawke812]Links are dead, all made up :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Links are dead because this tread is 7 years old.
Dude up there bumped a 7 year old thread to say one thing.