Lebron's Future

[QUOTE=Mathius]

And you keep bringing up cap space as if that's a legitimate building block. When was the last time a team signed a free agent that took them to the promise land?
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uh... Shaq for one.

Signing Lebron and providing him with a decent supporting cast is all you need to be a contender. Look at the crap Cleveland has around him.

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Right, but NJ has? Oh wait. No they haven't. They won 2 in the ABA. This is the NBA. Next.[/QUOTE]

im saying they're in the same boat as cleveland you kept ragging on New Jersey for being a program with a history of losing... so is cleveland.

[QUOTE]Why am I even arguing with you? You can't even read.

Nobody brought up Z except in an earlier discussion about him being Lebron's favorite player. And you completely ignore the fact that I said our whole roster is expirer, and try to mince words on a few players salaries.

And again. Cap space is overrated as hell.[/QUOTE]

okay you're whole roster is not expirers... what the hell...

I brought up Z because he's relevant to the cav's cap space. just because you didn't mention him doesn't mean he can't be mentioned.


[QUOTE]No, he's not. Not as a basketball player he isn't. His game will get better, but he can't get any more popular, period. His business success will get bigger, but not his basketball image. Whether he stays in Cleveland, or goes to NY, means nothing to his basketball popularity. He can't get any bigger.[/QUOTE]

okay keep saying that you're a fool Lebron has only played 5 years now jesus. he's only going to get better and more popular.

[QUOTE]Not unless people just stop rooting for their favorite players altogether and just jump on Lebron's bandwagon.[/QUOTE]

no you don't have to stop rooting for favorite players for other players to gain popularity.


[QUOTE]You've filled in his life history and opinions with a bunch of bs you surmised, or read somewhere. I have a blank slate, and therefore that means I can't be wrong.[/QUOTE]

I filled in his life history? Whaaaat? I made one statement about that Darfur situation and also his relationship with Jay Z I gave an article. You are a hilarious opponent.

[QUOTE]Where the hell are you getting these numbers? Every one of the players we just picked up either expire outright before James, or will be tradable because they will expire the same time. That doesn't include Damon Jones, Eric Snow, or Devin Brown who weren't part of any trade.[/QUOTE]

Okay I stand corrected. Apparently the opt out clause is for the summer of 2010 not 2009.

[QUOTE]And don't tell me nobody will want to trade for cap space, with Lebron and Wade going into the market the following season.[/QUOTE]

lol but remember how overrated cap space is

[QUOTE]YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THIS $HIT WORKS!

Hey genius. Because Lebron already plays for the Cavs? They can match any offer he gets, because they're allowed to go over the cap to resign him. It's called Bird rights.[/QUOTE]

yeah i know what bird rights are. i'm just saying new jersey can make a legit offer. never did I say cleveland can't pay him the same or more money.


[QUOTE]Lebron was a superstar in high school, moron.[/QUOTE]

if you say so. you aren't a superstar to me unless you succeed in the NBA.

[QUOTE]So what then? You're whole argument is that NJ's GM is better than the Cavs GM? Is that the bottom line?
That's extremely debatable.[/QUOTE]

lol i never said anything like that but its probably true.

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So don't even try to argue to me about all these other cities, because it isn't even close.

No, I'm not crazy, I'm a Cleveland sports fan. You don't have a clue what that's about.[/QUOTE]

in terms of NBA fanbase cleveland isn't top 5.

[QUOTE=final.wrath]uh... Shaq for one. [/quote]

That was a perfect storm and you damn well know it. The Lakers turned Shaq into a title 2 years later AFTER they made some more key trades and signings, which is what I damn well said in the first place. AND they banked heavily on the fact that Kobe developed as planned. If Kobe hadn't panned out, the Shaq signing is worthless. Just who does NJ OR Cleveland have on their roster that's going to turn into another Kobe? ( and don't say Lebron retard, you know what I'm talking about )

[QUOTE]Signing Lebron and providing him with a decent supporting cast is all you need to be a contender. Look at the crap Cleveland has around him. [/QUOTE]

You've got a very interesting idea of what a "contender" is, considering the West is stacked as hell. You think Cleveland got embarassed in the Finals soley because Lebron has "crap" around him? Right now Boston is the only team that could contend with the West, period. Moving Lebron around to a bunch of crap rosters isn't going to change that.

[QUOTE]im saying they're in the same boat as cleveland you kept ragging on New Jersey for being a program with a history of losing... so is cleveland.[/quote]

Great, so here you go talking in circles again. Can't you even stay with one point? First you say NJ is a better situation for him, and then you point out that neither franchise has a history of winning. Then later, you don't give a very committed answer about NJ having a better GM, so WTF? You think the practice will change?

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okay you're whole roster is not expirers... what the hell...[/QUOTE]

Close enough. The only guys off the top of my head who won't, is Andy, Sasha, and Z. Z isn't going anywhere at this point, unless he's good for a big trade, and Sasha and Andy are what they are. Andy might be worth something in a trade at some point, and Sasha has been a huge disappointment to some (not me, because I pretty much knew he was crap).

[QUOTE]I brought up Z because he's relevant to the cav's cap space. just because you didn't mention him doesn't mean he can't be mentioned.[/QUOTE]

No, he isn't relevant, because [B]he's worth every penny he's making[/B]. Without Z, this team goes nowhere, Lebron or no Lebron. He's probably the most underrated center in the league. He can hit an open jumper out to about 18 feet, so that means he creates huge spacing issues for the defense. He is always among the league leaders in offensive rebounds, and his defensive rebounds go up with his minutes. I could go on and on about Z.

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okay keep saying that you're a fool Lebron has only played 5 years now jesus. he's only going to get better and more popular. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, you're right. Lebron will get more popular when Kobe retires and all his ******gers have to transfer their loyalty somewhere. :rolleyes: You can't go up from the top, retard. Is anyone making more money than him that's an active player? Shaq maybe? Wade? Doubtful.

[QUOTE]I filled in his life history? Whaaaat? I made one statement about that Darfur situation and also his relationship with Jay Z I gave an article. You are a hilarious opponent.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, _I'm_ hilarious. You go on a rant about how unethical Lebron is based on one god damn article you read and then use that as a direct correlation as to how that's why he's going to leave his current team because his friend is building a team, and MY logic is flawed?

[QUOTE]Okay I stand corrected. Apparently the opt out clause is for the summer of 2010 not 2009. [/QUOTE]

That's a pretty big god damn oversight, pal.

[QUOTE]lol but remember how overrated cap space is[/QUOTE]

No crap, but that's not going to stop other teams from trading for it, hoping that Lebron will leave for their team. They almost have to. Their owners are going to be breathing down their neck wanting to get out of their cap situations, because owners don't want to waste money, and their fans are going to be *****ing for them to do something to get Lebron, or Wade. The only teams this isn't going to effect are the ones who are already contenders and happy with what they have.

[QUOTE]yeah i know what bird rights are. i'm just saying new jersey can make a legit offer. never did I say cleveland can't pay him the same or more money.[/QUOTE]

Ok, mince words again. "I didn't say Cleveland can't pay him more. I just said":
[QUOTE=final.wrath]The Nets? 34 Million. Enough to offer Lebron a max contract. By the way that 34 million is assuming the Nets still have that massive Vince Carter contract on the books.
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:rolleyes:

Oh, btw. I'd love to see how the Nets are going to have 34 million in cap space and still resign these great budding young superstars you're ranting about (Devin Harris, Richard Jefferson).

You're a joke.

[QUOTE]if you say so. you aren't a superstar to me unless you succeed in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Why the hell do you think people on this board hate him so much? Because people were calling him the next Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson before he even came out. I'd be willing to bet he had more people watching his h.s. games than over half the college arenas get in attendance, and possibly some nba games.

He also had an a$$load of media coverage already. That's not the definition of a superstar? Get a life.

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lol i never said anything like that but its probably true.[/QUOTE]

I don't even know what the hell that uncommitted response is supposed to mean? What's probably true? That NJ has a better GM, or that it's debatable?

[QUOTE]in terms of NBA fanbase cleveland isn't top 5.[/QUOTE]

I can't wait to hear where you came up with that statistic.

That's the problem with you retards that have to rank everything. It's just f'ing numbers.

I know we have the best damn fans because I watched them out there rooting for losers like Corey Snyder, Craig Ehlo, Gerald Wilkins, Brook Jacoby, Ira Newble, Wesley Person, Lamond Murray, Tim Couch, Holocomb, etc. making them look like they were heroes when they were bench players on any other team in their respective leagues.

Mathius

And where the hell are all you supposed Cavs fans on this board while this idiot is bashing your city, and questioning our dedication as fans?

More than half of you bastards did nothing but criticize me last year for how negative I was about the Cavs, and our chances, but now that I'm defending the city, you guys all go run and hide in your closets?

I'm talking about what great fans you guys are and you idiots can't take the time to say, 'Boo'.

Mathius

they aint saying anything because its true! Lebron is going to Brooklyn and we will win a championship!!

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]they aint saying anything because its true! Lebron is going to Brooklyn and we will win a championship!![/QUOTE]

At least final.wraith is trying to argue his pathetic points. You haven't added anything intelligent to this thread at all except for fanboy nonsense.

Mathius

[QUOTE=Mathius]At least final.wraith is trying to argue his pathetic points. You haven't added anything intelligent to this thread at all except for fanboy nonsense.

Mathius[/QUOTE]
true dat

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]true dat[/QUOTE]


True dat??

Are you senile? You were just the one disagreeing with both of us you idiot. Go back to jay z and the [I]brooklyn[I] nets.[/I][/I]

You guys really really humor me. I can't take it seriously to be honest. Just the fact that these speculations are so ridiculous.. wow.


and mathius, my boy.. I've been here buddy.. but you're kicking some straight up forum a$$ without me, why intervene?

[QUOTE=InLebronWeTrust]True dat??

Are you senile? You were just the one disagreeing with both of us you idiot. Go back to jay z and the [B][I][I][I]brooklyn[I][/I][/I][/B] nets.[/I][/I]

You guys really really humor me. I can't take it seriously to be honest. Just the fact that these speculations are so ridiculous.. wow.


and mathius, my boy.. I've been here buddy.. but you're kicking some straight up forum a$$ without me, why intervene?[/QUOTE]
actualy they are currently in NJ:lol

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]actualy they are currently in NJ:lol[/QUOTE]


Hilarious.

How about the.. "Sh!tty wherever you put them" Nets?

[QUOTE=InLebronWeTrust]Hilarious.

How about the.. "Sh!tty wherever you put them" Nets?[/QUOTE]
Yo that aint cool... lets see your team do good after Lebron leaves to the Nets

BUMP.

I look back and laugh.

People saying Miami is Random.

Where are the Nets going to get the money?

InLeBronWeTrust got soooo pissed. I was fooling around just to see how pissed he got. HILARIOUS. Is that Mathius dude around anymore?

Anyways. Have your feelings changed now?

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]BUMP.

I look back and laugh.

People saying Miami is Random.

Where are the Nets going to get the money?

InLeBronWeTrust got soooo pissed. I was fooling around just to see how pissed he got. HILARIOUS. Is that Mathius dude around anymore?

Anyways. Have your feelings changed now?[/QUOTE]
Mathius is gone... probably out spreading his anger throughout the world

and hopefully Lebron stays, if not, it sucks, but the franchise will continue on, hopefully picking up some nice players in the lottery

lebron finally makes a choice. this is a blockbuse if it's true. I'll post it here and just wait for steven a smith to confirm!

[url]http://widerightandnattylight.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/lebron-wade-bosh-and-more-in-blockbuster-signing/[/url]

Why a Chicago fan actually wants Lebron to stay in Cleveland and make the East interesting.

[URL="http://www.dachicagosportsfan.com/"]http://www.dachicagosportsfan.com/[/URL]

Hey guys, I really hope LeBron does stay in Cleveland. He has really turned that franchise around and its not only great basketball wise but for the city as well.

I'm a Bulls fan, but I'm pulling for you guys cause this whole superpower thing in Miami is a little outrageous and seeing LeBron bolt from where he started to leave and help a few friends in Wade and Bosh win rings doesn't really fit how he has made himself to be. LeBron is no sidekick and can stand alone. I see him as the hometown kid who wants nothing more than to bring a championship to his hometown.

[QUOTE=bullz_rule21]Hey guys, I really hope LeBron does stay in Cleveland. He has really turned that franchise around and its not only great basketball wise but for the city as well.

I'm a Bulls fan, but I'm pulling for you guys cause this whole superpower thing in Miami is a little outrageous and seeing LeBron bolt from where he started to leave and help a few friends in Wade and Bosh win rings doesn't really fit how he has made himself to be. LeBron is no sidekick and can stand alone. I see him as the hometown kid who wants nothing more than to bring a championship to his hometown.[/QUOTE]

As another bulls fan I second this. My best to the cavs, cleveland and the fans.