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[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]I was thinking... Since this guy is so "stupid" what if he tries to get Yao instead of LeBron in 2010[/QUOTE]
Yao's actually fine for the Nets since he's a decent NBA player who can post something like 20/10/3 on 50+ FG shooting. However, it's impossible for the Rockets to trade Yao since it's already become harder to find a big man like Yao who can contribute both on and off the court.
Yeah but by 2010 will he still be the same 20/10 center he is now? He already lacks stamina and is very injury prone... and if he signed him over CB4 and Wade or JJ :eek:
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]We may need to sticky this thread. Bruce Ratner needs to go, if we want the future of our Nets.[/QUOTE]
we have a future, are you dumb if we kept Kidd or Jefferson the the Nets might of not had much of a future
Come on guys, let's save the Nets!
Save them from what?
[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Save them from what?[/QUOTE]
From Bruce Ratner, the devil!
[QUOTE]"First, this was a basketball trade," said Ratner. "We do have a tremendous Chinese-American market in this region, and if we have success we will tap into that market in a major way in Brooklyn and New Jersey in the meantime." [/QUOTE]
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Please don't let this thread die... We need to boo or to boycott Bruce Ratner, the idiot, to make him realize how stupid he is as a team owner. For me, I don't really care whether this team moves to NY or stays in NJ. All I want is to witness Bruce Ratner selling the Nets to someone else! This team will be a long-time lottery team with Bruce Ratner...
Oh come on guys. We're Nets fans, not Bruce Ratner's fans so why do we have to stand everything he does to harm our team? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Oh come on guys. We're Nets fans, not Bruce Ratner's fans so why do we have to stand everything he does to harm our team? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Their is nothing we can do about it. Stop complaning.
[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Their is nothing we can do about it. Stop complaning.[/QUOTE]
There're a lot of things we can do for sure. Seriously we might be unable to drive Bruce Ratner away from the Nets, but it doesn't mean that we have to let it be. Bruce Ratner did that RJ trade simply for Yi's Chinese market that will bring him hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants the international market so bad that he didn't care about whether the trade harmed the team at all. If we manage to make him realize that he's going to lose American market while trying to obtain international support, he'd probably understand that he's unable to make money all on his will. American fans won't pay money on a team who doesn't even want to compete but to make money from fans and I bet he's familiar with this fact, isn't he?
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]There're a lot of things we can do for sure. Seriously we might be unable to drive Bruce Ratner away from the Nets, but it doesn't mean that we have to let it be. Bruce Ratner did that RJ trade simply for Yi's Chinese market that will bring him hundreds of millions of dollars. He wants the international market so bad that he didn't care about whether the trade harmed the team at all. If we manage to make him realize that he's going to lose American market while trying to obtain international support, he'd probably understand that he's unable to make money all on his will. American fans won't pay money on a team who doesn't even want to compete but to make money from fans and I bet he's familiar with this fact, isn't he?[/QUOTE]
Your right Bruce Ratner is an idiot. But I have some beleif in Yi. He will turn into Yao.. but better, this season he will be a 15/8 type player. And as for Bobby I feel he will turn into his original form, a 16/7 player. :D
Down with Ratner!!!
[COLOR="White"]Nets fan 93>Kiddlovesnets!!![/COLOR]
this is a stupid thread. have faith:cheers:
and we needed to do something after last season. This season will be great
I was reading that Ratner might push the date to 2011.
Bruce Ratnnnner!!!!
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[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]I was reading that Ratner might push the date to 2011.[/QUOTE]
It isn't Bruce who's to blame for that one, it's those ****ing hippy protestors that kept delaying the possible start of the Atlantic Yards construction because they kept appealing to every court/tribunal/committee possible. God damn Hippies! :mad:
i don't see what hippies have to do with it.
AFAIK it's residential and commerce sectors that feel the stadium project will impact them negatively.
[QUOTE=gigantes]i don't see what hippies have to do with it.
AFAIK it's residential and commerce sectors that feel the stadium project will impact them negatively.[/QUOTE]
Right you are. I just have a tendency to associate hippies with protesters and vice-versa.
I think at one point though, there was a group protesting against the project on the grounds that the carbon emissions produced by construction machinery would be beyond acceptable limits. Obviously they didn't get very far.
I am pissed that the move will be delayed as far is the team is concerned as well....another year of the Nets being the proud tenants of the worst stadium in the NBA - IZOD Center.
[QUOTE=Rusty]I think at one point though, there was a group protesting against the project on the grounds that the carbon emissions produced by construction machinery would be beyond acceptable limits. Obviously they didn't get very far.[/quote]
interesting. i'm extremely concerned about global warming but don't know how you can avoid putting out a lot of carbon on big construction projects. the best that one could do is buy matching carbon credits AFAIK.
actually that makes some sense since the nets are theoretically the first team to go green in the NBA as of last year.
[quote]I am pissed that the move will be delayed as far is the team is concerned as well....another year of the Nets being the proud tenants of the worst stadium in the NBA - IZOD Center.[/QUOTE]
all i have to compare it to is the sixers', wizards' and cavs' joints. i guess i'd have to agree with you- the nets' place is the worst among those four. maybe. the biggest thing that's a PITA for me is the long annoying walk from the parking area to the stadium.
[QUOTE=gigantes]...all i have to compare it to is the sixers', wizards' and cavs' joints. i guess i'd have to agree with you- the nets' place is the worst among those four. maybe. the biggest thing that's a PITA for me is the long annoying walk from the parking area to the stadium.[/QUOTE]
In fairness, I've never actually been to IZOD Center so I'm just going by what I've been told by buddies and colleagues and what I've read in various articles.
I suppose if we were to look on the positive side - if Yi's fan-club is anywhere near as big as Yao's - well that's bound to help the atmosphere somewhat, right?
Bump! I can't stand Bruce Idiot Ratner anymore! Let's get him out of our Nets!
Bump!!
"Ratner Ranked Second Worst Owner in Sports":
[url]http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8291[/url]
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although to be fair, it's very difficult to be ranked otherwise unless the brooklyn thing gets finished. with one of the worst stadiums in sports, one of the worst fan bases in basketball, no superstars likely to come to the izod center in 2010 or any other year (no superstar FA has ever signed with the nets) and the team leaking money in a recession, you're pretty-much doomed as the nets owner as far as public opinion goes unless you're someone like mark cuban or jerry buss... guys who are filthy rich, have autonomy, are willing to spend way above the cap, and who aren't total head cases like james dolan or al davis.
of course, the positives for you ratner-haters are rumblings in the area press that if the last few objectors to the barkleys center (16 left, is it?) aren't dealt with by december then the team will go up for sale.
although really, i'm not sure how much that helps us area fans. any new owner, having recognised the points in the first paragraph, will have some very strong reasons to move the team out of the area. and despite the recession, they may still be able to pull the same slimey manuevers that sports owners typically pull, which is to elicit bidding from suitor cities halfway across the country and then stiff their taxpayers for the bulk of the new stadium construction costs.
[QUOTE=gigantes]"Ratner Ranked Second Worst Owner in Sports":
[url]http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8291[/url]
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although to be fair, it's very difficult to be ranked otherwise unless the brooklyn thing gets finished. with one of the worst stadiums in sports, one of the worst fan bases in basketball, no superstars likely to come to the izod center in 2010 or any other year (no superstar FA has ever signed with the nets) and the team leaking money in a recession, you're pretty-much doomed as the nets owner as far as public opinion goes unless you're someone like mark cuban or jerry buss... guys who are filthy rich, have autonomy, are willing to spend way above the cap, and who aren't total head cases like james dolan or al davis.
of course, the positives for you ratner-haters are rumblings in the area press that if the last few objectors to the barkleys center (16 left, is it?) aren't dealt with by december then the team will go up for sale.
although really, i'm not sure how much that helps us area fans. any new owner, having recognised the points in the first paragraph, will have some very strong reasons to move the team out of the area. and despite the recession, they may still be able to pull the same slimey manuevers that sports owners typically pull, which is to elicit bidding from suitor cities halfway across the country and then stiff their taxpayers for the bulk of the new stadium construction costs.[/QUOTE]
Whats not to like about the net?
They have gotten out of VC's Contract...building a contender the right way...with Harris at the PG, Lee a starting SG, Lopez at C...all thats missing is a Starting SF and PF...
Expiring contracts to sign FA like Carlos Boozer or Bosh or Stoudamire in 2010...the bench squad is set as the...and it gives time to evaluate Yi...as a good player to start at SF or not give him a qualifying offer...
I dont know why you guys are complaining...when the situation is much better compared to the suns or knicks
first half of that is common knowledge and has no bearing on the things i mentioned. in addition, every young, rebuilding team has pieces that are exciting and that people hope will work out. that's why they're young, rebuilding teams and not playoff teams.
second half just shows how little you understand about the nets. to repeat myself (which you'll probably ignore like the first time), no superstar FA has ever signed with the nets and the nets are very possibly dumping salary in preparation for a sale... as we've know about for some weeks now. ie, that's why the chances of getting boozer are so remote, not to mention that it's almost pointless to trade for him anyway.
Ratner needs to go, he's slowly making me disdain the team I grew up loving! Don't get me wrong, I love our young guys and to be in a good position to rebuild, but slowly the soul of our team is rotting away.
NI / ric bucher are talking about new owners wanting to keep the team in the area. that's a relief, although it does beg the question, "why?"
another big question would be- would the new owners A) pick up the brooklyn plan, B) stay at izod, C) rent the other stadium from the hockey team or C) something else? personally i don't understand why you would stay at izod...
[url]http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8307[/url]
Yes, they need to move stadiums. It's bad that the Seton Hall Pirates basketball team is playing at the Prudential Center and the Nets aren't. A college team has better accommodations than a NBA team!
[QUOTE=wang4three]Ratner needs to go, he's slowly making me disdain the team I grew up loving! Don't get me wrong, I love our young guys and to be in a good position to rebuild, but slowly the soul of our team is rotting away.[/QUOTE]
I love the rebuilding process... I have never experienced one before so..IDK..
[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]I love the rebuilding process... I have never experienced one before so..IDK..[/QUOTE]
For the greater part of my life we were always rebuilding in one way or another. I'm not hating on being a rebuilding team--I think Rod is a fantastic GM.
But the reports coming out doesn't label it as a "rebuilding team". We see far more news reports about being a "cost-cutting team" than a "rebuilding team." It only makes me question whether or not we're actually committed to rebuilding or it's just a smoke screen to divert the fact that we're actually cost cutting and nothing more.
Come next summer, will Ratner really allow the team to shell out money for big free agents? Or will he continue with his cost cutting? I think we're quick to assume that he'll allow Rod to break out the checkbook, but from what it seems like, it may not be case..
The team is quickly losing its identity and soul because building a competitive team doesn't seem to be important to anyone but the fans. We have to really give credit to Rod cause he's doing a good job playing within Ratner's guidelines, but I fear the worst come next summer if Ratner is still at the helm.
[QUOTE=gigantes]NI / ric bucher are talking about new owners wanting to keep the team in the area. that's a relief, although it does beg the question, "why?"
another big question would be- would the new owners A) pick up the brooklyn plan, B) stay at izod, C) rent the other stadium from the hockey team or C) something else? personally i don't understand why you would stay at izod...
[url]http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8307[/url][/QUOTE]
I am aware he is trying to sell the team...but VC was the salary he needed to dump...everyone else earns a modest salary for nba scale...and alot of contracts expire next year...even if they are small contracts...the point is if there is new ownership...atleast the team will be the same...
i really dont care who owns the team...all i care about is the team on the floor...if you think ratner is bad think sterling and sarver....you guys got it good...made it to the finals and had Hall of famers playing in the past....its not as bad as you make it seem.
[QUOTE=mamba24]I am aware he is trying to sell the team...but VC was the salary he needed to dump...everyone else earns a modest salary for nba scale...and alot of contracts expire next year...even if they are small contracts...the point is if there is new ownership...atleast the team will be the same...
i really dont care who owns the team...all i care about is the team on the floor...if you think ratner is bad think sterling and sarver....you guys got it good...made it to the finals and had Hall of famers playing in the past....its not as bad as you make it seem.[/QUOTE]
- ratner's group is not trying to sell the team. he's putting out feelers and lining up options in case the last legal challenge or further unforseen economics kills the last ditch effort. all of these new potential owners would have to wait and see what happens in the next 6-9 months before making an official offer.
- you make a good point about sterling since he's a real headcase and keeps repeating the same broken pattern over and over. sarver not so much, since, like ratner and many others, he's been forced to jettison talent and contracts in order to stay near the cap-- ratner did the same thing with kmart, kittles and IIRC korver when he got here. and thorn is on a short leash each summer, rarely having more than the midlevel exception to throw at FA's, and often not even that. SAR is maybe the one and only exception to that, and we saw how well that worked out.
- the finals years happened in 2002 and 2003, so are mostly pointless to talk about in 2009. keep in mind this is a NYC area team here, so patience is always going to be low. the negative things i talked about before are still huge logistical issues and the nets are not going to get back to thriving until they're fixed, so when you keep saying stuff like "you guys should be grateful" it's meaningless since it doesn't solve anything. to pick one example, it's very hard to thrive when you're in a market / arena / fanbase that forces you to overpay for your large contracts- it's like having a permanently lower salary cap than the desirable teams like the knicks, lakers, bulls, celtics, etc. we saw this with the contracts of kmart, RJ, kidd, VC and others...
Can't really explain what life is like for a Net fan to a Laker fan. It's like They don't understand the complexities of corporate interest versus fan interest. For a Laker fan, the two are one in the same. For Nets' fans, they often go different directions.
They'll never understand what it is like to have your fandom tested, to know what failure is, or to be let down, to have owners that don't give a **** about team performance, and to have overall incompetence run a franchise.
All they think is that every team is trying to win; which is not the case for every franchise.
wang smart.
end sentence.
[QUOTE=wang4three]Can't really explain what life is like for a Net fan to a Laker fan. It's like They don't understand the complexities of corporate interest versus fan interest. For a Laker fan, the two are one in the same. For Nets' fans, they often go different directions.
They'll never understand what it is like to have your fandom tested, to know what failure is, or to be let down, to have owners that don't give a **** about team performance, and to have overall incompetence run a franchise.
All they think is that every team is trying to win; which is not the case for every franchise.[/QUOTE]
Wow well said Wang.
netted from nets daily had some interesting things to say-- based on his years of business experience, he feels that [b]ratner will make a lease with the new brooklyn arena a condition of any sale[/b]. he goes on:
[quote][url]http://www.netsdaily.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1917&p=33086#p33086[/url]
The smart move for Ratner would be to cap all his loses in the team and turn it over to a new owner who will assume all financial responsibilities going forward. Every year they would adjust the ownership % based on the losses the new owner assumed. In the end Ratner would still own a sizable share of the team. His only issue would be a shrinking share as the team continues to be unprofitable, but in the grand scale of team value the losses wouldn't translate to that much ownership. For a new owner they basically get to pay for a share of the team over time with no interest. Give the new owner an option to acquire additional shares at a set price and give Ratner a lease for the Brooklyn arena.
Win win for both parties. The more the new owner puts into players and free agents the more equity he gets in the team and the more valuable Ratner's shares are. The more Ratner puts into the arena the more money both make. With the pending 2010 free agency the timing is perfect for both. At least both are spending in areas that make sense to them and are in line with the business they want to be in.[/quote]
so based on this and other recent news:
1) the nets will stay in the area, sale or no sale.
2) the brooklyn deal is going to happen no matter who the owner is.
3) if the team is sold, ratner would change roles from main owner to landlord, i guess.