[QUOTE=JPR]i didn't mean you personally, i meant new yorkers in general. [/QUOTE]
Oh, the irony of generalizing an entire state of people.
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[QUOTE=JPR]i didn't mean you personally, i meant new yorkers in general. [/QUOTE]
Oh, the irony of generalizing an entire state of people.
JPR, please just shut the f*ck up
BTW, how bout them Bears ?
:roll:
[QUOTE=Sicknote]Oh, the irony of generalizing an entire state of people.[/QUOTE]
not the state, just the city. Big difference!
[QUOTE=Maniak]This offseason is going to be a big one for the knicks,[/QUOTE]
thats what they said last year.
[QUOTE=taibien86]thats what they said last year.[/QUOTE]
That's what they say every year! one day, the knicks won't suck anymore. wow, that will be the day...
Bulls sucked just as bad last year
Apparently the meeting with Orlando went really well and it's down to the Knicks and the Magic.
[QUOTE]Free-agent point guard Chris Duhon could finalize contract terms with the Orlando Magic by the end of the week after spending Wednesday with coaches, players and General Manager Otis Smith.
Duhon, who played the past four seasons with the Chicago Bulls, is scheduled to return home this morning, where he will decide whether to sign with the Magic, or the New York Knicks. He visited New York on Monday.
"The visit here went really well,'' said Kevin Bradbury, Duhon's agent, Wednesday night from his Orlando hotel room. "Chris wants to help a team win a championship. That's what Orlando is trying to do. That's different than a team looking to rebuild. He was flattered that a team of this caliber wants him.''[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-magic0308jul03,0,5891632.story[/url]
[QUOTE=Dash]Apparently the meeting with Orlando went really well and it's down to the Knicks and the Magic.
[url]http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-magic0308jul03,0,5891632.story[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't know, I hear Chris is a guy who gets what he wants, you have to be careful....
It's true what they say. You Don't Mess With The Duhon.
Don't offer any more to him.
Let him go to Orlando for 10 mil. He isn't worth that.
The [COLOR="Blue"]Kn[/COLOR][COLOR="Orange"]ic[/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]ks[/COLOR] offered 2 years $6mil Magic 3 years $10mil
[QUOTE=Rameek]The [COLOR="Blue"]Kn[/COLOR][COLOR="Orange"]ic[/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]ks[/COLOR] offered 2 years $6mil Magic 3 years $10mil[/QUOTE]
Gee, I wonder where Duhon will go then.
Good move for them.
Duhon and Robinson can share the point guard duties.
Marbury can either sit on the bench or play some 2 guard.
It's official, nice signing
I like the signing. Now let's try to trade away Randolph and Jeffries.
:sleeping A role player signs with a bad team.....not much to talk about.
maybe Duhon can make Knicks win more games, and hopefully make playoffs
[QUOTE=RapsFan]:sleeping A role player signs with a bad team.....not much to talk about.[/QUOTE]
Says... the Raptors fan. You do know that your team constitutes as a bad team also right? Maybe average at best, if you're lucky.
go back up Jameer in Orlando!
So that narrows down Chicago to what 1,543,567,345 guards now?
Signing Duhon is an insurance policy. NOW, they can dump Marbury if they want to. The Knicks had no other point guard on the payroll, except Robinson, but he's a tweener.
Now D'Antoni and Walsh can waive Marbury, if Marbury gives them any problems.
[QUOTE=gencbiba]Says... the Raptors fan. You do know that your team constitutes as a bad team also right? Maybe average at best, if you're lucky.[/QUOTE]
Pretty irrelevant to the discussion of Duhon joining the Knicks. Because you're a Knicks fan, does that mean you aren't able to comment in any other thread that is about winning, team play, efficient shooting, weight loss and salary cap management?
Reality is, Duhon is a bit part. If he joined the Raps to backup Jose I wouldn't be too excited, especially for the MLE, I would be pretty pissed.
If the Raps making the playoffs the last couple of years constitutes bad....then I can't find the word for the Knicks.
Congrats on reeling in Duhon:applause:
[QUOTE=RapsFan]:sleeping A role player signs with a bad team.....not much to talk about.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RapsFan]Pretty irrelevant to the discussion of Duhon joining the Knicks. Because you're a Knicks fan, does that mean you aren't able to comment in any other thread that is about winning, team play, efficient shooting, weight loss and salary cap management?
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You didnt do that though so why come in here...:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=RapsFan]
Reality is, Duhon is a bit part. If he joined the Raps to backup Jose I wouldn't be too excited, especially for the MLE, I would be pretty pissed.
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wanna cookie...
for the knicks he's a bit part as well... no one saying he's the second coming of anything spectacular. The Knicks needed a point guard that can bring the ball up, dish the rock, and play defense. Thats what they got.
I hope they dont buy Marbury out considering their are no other point guards on the roster... That would be pure stupidity. Let them compete for minutes thats a great motivational tool for both players to perform. I am not happy about the prospect of Nate Robinson and Marty Collins backing him up and I dont like the idea of Crawford moving to the point to spell Duhon. This would be just another dumb basketball move by the Knicks. IMHO:cheers:
[QUOTE=Rameek]You didnt do that though so why come in here...:confusedshrug:
wanna cookie...
for the knicks he's a bit part as well... no one saying he's the second coming of anything spectacular. The Knicks needed a point guard that can bring the ball up, dish the rock, and play defense. Thats what they got.
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I think you missed the previous posts. I said it wasn't a big signing, a bit player on a bad team. A response to that was how the Raptors are a bad team, which I found irrelevant to this thread. This isn't a Knicks Forum thread....
I don't like the signing at all from a financial standpoint. Yes it's less years, but he's going to be making next year probably what Cory Maggette is making next year. Duhon just isn't very good at that price, for any team.
that's true Rapsfan, but do we have lots of options?
no cap, bad team............
[QUOTE=DoubleTech]i like this signing by the knicks... shows their committed to putting a better product on the court and at the same time not forgetting to keep their finances under control.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: agreed
[QUOTE=NY-Knicks]that's true Rapsfan, but do we have lots of options?
no cap, bad team............[/QUOTE]
I read today that Marbury is close to being as good as gone. Instead of Duhon, who couldn't outplay Hinrich on a bad Chicago team (when Hinrich was playing brutal), for the full MLE (2 yrs), why not see what D'Antoni could do with Marbury. It's not like the Knicks are built to be a good defensive team so adding a PG that's biggest strength is D.....:confusedshrug:
Duhon seems like a $3 mill per type player max. Aren't the Knicks over the tax? So this is basically like paying Duhon $12 mill per year.
The Knicks needed a placeholder pg to run the offense. They got it. They don't want Marbury around, he's a total cancer. Giving him a chance to prove himself? For what? To sucker them in to keeping him around?
and no one should ever throw out cash outlays for the Knicks, unless you are worried about their finances. If they don't care about spending $12m, why do you?
if you think Duhon would be better at 3 than 5 WOOHOO. Have a cookie. Who cares? Its the same to the garden. it doesnt change the cap in any one year, and just affects cash outlay, which again unless you are a cablevision shareholder you shouldnt care about.
the knicks needed a pg at the midlevel that could run the sun style offense and they got one. i dont see any other out there. its only 2 years, and doenst affect the cap in any way. how is this at all a bad move?
[QUOTE=niko]
if you think Duhon would be better at 3 than 5 WOOHOO. Have a cookie. Who cares? Its the same to the garden. it doesnt change the cap in any one year, and just affects cash outlay, which again unless you are a cablevision shareholder you shouldnt care about.
the knicks needed a pg at the midlevel that could run the sun style offense and they got one. i dont see any other out there. its only 2 years, and doenst affect the cap in any way. how is this at all a bad move?[/QUOTE]
So no signing matters in NY? Is that why they are at their current situation. It matters to being able to make your roster better, and not having the signing of Chris Duhon you major offseason roster move.
And Duhon can't run a Suns style...are you kidding me. That guy is probably the slowest PG in the entire league. Duhon, $24 mill for 2 years after the tax is a bad signing, for any team. Because the Knicks have huge revenue doesn't give them a free pass. I know Knicks fans are looking for anything positive, but you can't say you're happy with using your major financial asset in the offseason to sign a career backup PG.
Why are people bashing this move for Knicks?
The Knicks only had one point guard on their roster, Marbury, who they ideally don't want. Marbury has only one year left and they are not resigning him. The Knicks need, at worst, a backup for Marbury and at best, a replacement. Duhon was the best option out there.
He's only signed for two years so it doesn't affect 2010. They didn't have to give up any assets, like a David Lee, to get him. So the downside? Some luxury tax money. You think Cablevision is really THAT worried about it? Please....
[QUOTE=RapsFan]So no signing matters in NY? Is that why they are at their current situation. It matters to being able to make your roster better, and not having the signing of Chris Duhon you major offseason roster move.
And Duhon can't run a Suns style...are you kidding me. That guy is probably the slowest PG in the entire league. Duhon, $24 mill for 2 years after the tax is a bad signing, for any team. Because the Knicks have huge revenue doesn't give them a free pass. I know Knicks fans are looking for anything positive, but you can't say you're happy with using your major financial asset in the offseason to sign a career backup PG.[/QUOTE]
not no signing, im saying cash implications. bashing duhon for costing the knicks 12 for luxury tax rather than 6 is bashing just to bash. the extra 6 affects NOTHING except cablevisions bottom line. lots of people liek to say that to sound smart but it doesnt affect ANYTHING.
who else is out there right now that the knicks can get to run the point for 2 years or less?
Nate the only PG the Knicks have? Let's take a look at Mardy Collins numbers Vs Jason Kidd.
42.5 mpg, 38% FG, 44% 3P, 9.5 RB, 6 Ass, 22 PPG, 1 ST, 3 TO.
This was at the end of his rookie season, where he almost had a triple double a couple of times, before he had surgery.
I don't believe Duhon had this numbers against anybody in his rookie season, let alone against Kidd.
Donny Walsh and Mike D Antoni will build a winner out of the Knicks.
This is one of the first moves. Don't expect much out of them
this year. The Knicks will be a playoff team in 2010, the second
year of rebuilding.:cheers:
oh no not DUHON the knicks are gonna be unstoppible
[QUOTE=lawlerslaw100]Donny Walsh and Mike D Antoni will build a winner out of the Knicks.
This is one of the first moves. Don't expect much out of them
this year. The Knicks will be a playoff team in 2010, the second
year of rebuilding.:cheers:[/QUOTE]
I want to get to .500 and if they do more I will be ecstatic:cheers:
If we dont keep Marbury though and have Nate and Mardy as back up PG's or using Crawford at PG dont think .500 is possible...:banghead:
Got to see Duhon play against the Pistons when they came to the Palace mid-season. Good shooter and good speed, but didn't get much of a chance in that packed backcourt. Great pickup for the Knicks right now IMO.
Donnie Walsh already has the Knicks further towards winning that Isiah managed in his stay and Layden before that.
Great signing, only way it would have been better would be to lock him up long term, at worst he is a very good backup PG, with the right guys around him he is a very servicable starter.
[QUOTE=Detroitguy113]Got to see Duhon play against the Pistons when they came to the Palace mid-season. Good shooter and good speed, but didn't get much of a chance in that packed backcourt. Great pickup for the Knicks right now IMO.[/QUOTE]
wtf...i see this all over the internet. In no way possible would Duhon ever qualify as a good shooter unless he has a career night. The guy straight blows in all facets of scoring. His defenders respected him so little, they wouldn't even guard him. They'd just leave him to double Ben Gordon or Luol Deng. Duhon would just sit behind the arch bricking 3 after 3. Duhon sucks at scoring. He is undersized, and slow for a PG compared to Kirk Hinrich, Larry Hughes, and Derrick Rose. What Duhon does well is defend (to some degree) and pass the ball. He can easily get worked in the post by bigger PG's like Baron Davis and Chauncey Billups because Chris Duhon is small. Plus he developed an attitude problem last year as well as his current drinking problem. He's got his downfalls but could be a capable back up. The fact that the Knicks will start him is downright hilarious and shows how bad that team really is. They seem to take Chicago Bull rejects and insert them directly into their starting line up. 60% of NY's starters are Chicago Bull REJECTS.
With a starting backcourt of Duhon-Crawford, the Knicks' guards will struggle to hit on 40% of their field goals game in and game out. Who will do the scoring? It's going to be funny watching D'Antoni suck it up for atleast the next 2 years as it is evident by this signing that new york doesn't think it can contend until atleast 2010.
[QUOTE=JPR]wtf...i see this all over the internet. In no way possible would Duhon ever qualify as a good shooter unless he has a career night. The guy straight blows in all facets of scoring. His defenders respected him so little, they wouldn't even guard him. They'd just leave him to double Ben Gordon or Luol Deng. Duhon would just sit behind the arch bricking 3 after 3. Duhon sucks at scoring. He is undersized, and slow for a PG compared to Kirk Hinrich, Larry Hughes, and Derrick Rose. What Duhon does well is defend (to some degree) and pass the ball. He can easily get worked in the post by bigger PG's like Baron Davis and Chauncey Billups because Chris Duhon is small. Plus he developed an attitude problem last year as well as his current drinking problem. He's got his downfalls but could be a capable back up. The fact that the Knicks will start him is downright hilarious and shows how bad that team really is. They seem to take Chicago Bull rejects and insert them directly into their starting line up. 60% of NY's starters are Chicago Bull REJECTS.
With a starting backcourt of Duhon-Crawford, the Knicks' guards will struggle to hit on 40% of their field goals game in and game out. Who will do the scoring? It's going to be funny watching D'Antoni suck it up for atleast the next 2 years as it is evident by this signing that new york doesn't think it can contend until atleast 2010.[/QUOTE]
I agree he would get beatup by BD, Billups... maybe. He is undersized.. but so is Chris Paul and Allen Iverson. I'm not saying he'll ever be as good as either, but if these guys were never given a chance to start while just saying their too small, they would be buried on a depth chart somewhere. Duhon has definetly earned his chance to start somewhere, and the Knicks seem like a good fit.
I never said he was a great shooter, but he does have the range to hit some big shots. He's a much better three point shooter than a lot of solid starting PG's in the league, and that ability will also spread the floor for low post players like Gallinari and Randolph. Kind of a risk-reward because Walsh is giving him $12 million for 2 years without being a proven starter at the NBA level, but Duhon deserved his chance to be starting PG somewhere at sometime.