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I wonder who are actual "traditional" muslims (ie sunni or s-h-i-i-t-e) and who are Nation of Islam muslims (who are radically different).
And maybe someone can clarify, I remember that either Kareem or Hakeem (there's a slight chance it might have been another NBA player who was active in the 80's or early 90's) claimed that they actually fasted during practice/games/workouts.
edit: it blocked sh i i te, thinking I wrote sh!t
[QUOTE=Hammertime]How is he a practicing Muslim? He drinks, he doesn't fast, his wife doesn't wear a hijjab, his daughter has an English name....what exactly does he practice?
Like I said, can someone explain to me how he's any more of a Muslim than Dirk Nowitzki is a Christian?[/QUOTE]
Because he still goes to a mosque, and believes in the Quron. Not to mention that not all Muslim women wear hijjabs and fast during the Ramada. It's pretty simple and its sad that it has to be explained to you this many times. Just because you sin does not mean you arent a member of that church.
Sheed is the best muslim active in the nba and you don't put him on???
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-urnz
[QUOTE=statman32]Because he still goes to a mosque, and believes in the Quron. It's pretty simple and its sad that it has to be explained to you this many times. Just because you sin does not mean you arent a member of that church.[/QUOTE]
How do you know he goes to a Mosque? Or believes in the Quran?
[QUOTE=statman32]Because he still goes to a mosque, and believes in the Quron. It's pretty simple and its sad that it has to be explained to you this many times. Just because you sin does not mean you arent a member of that church.[/QUOTE]
:applause: well done
my dad is a muslim and dragged me out as a kid to the mosque, i met a lot of dudes there a most of the teens/high schoolers that were muslim and believed int he quran and god and stuff drank alcohol, had pre marital sex and that kind of stuff. Yet they always believed in there religion just broke some of the rules.
its called a sin
[QUOTE=Hammertime]How do you know he goes to a Mosque? Or believes in the Quran?[/QUOTE]
Why do you care so much?
[QUOTE=mattreis62]Why do you care so much?[/QUOTE]
because he doesnt want a muslum on the jazz
[QUOTE=Hammertime]How is he a practicing Muslim? He drinks, he doesn't fast, his wife doesn't wear a hijjab, his daughter has an English name....what exactly does he practice?
Like I said, can someone explain to me how he's any more of a Muslim than Dirk Nowitzki is a Christian?[/QUOTE]
People just claim whatever they want these days.
I have a friend who supposedly coverted to Muslim. The guy is a fukcin joke, because he doesn't follow 90% of their rules and guidelines.
[QUOTE=DULLAH]STFU.
And who are you to accuse him of not fasting ?
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Do you want footage of Jazz games during Ramadan where he drinks water?
Either way, I seem to have hit a sore spot with the resident hypocrites.
There is no such thing as sinners...only hypocrites.
[QUOTE=Hammertime]Do you want footage of Jazz games during Ramadan where he drinks water?
Either way, I seem to have hit a sore spot with the resident hypocrites.
There is no such thing as sinners...only hypocrites.[/QUOTE]
lol
rarely do muslum athletes actually fast in ramadan
athlete or not i dont very many that ive met fasted, doesnt mean there not muslum. I play college soccer we have a couple muslums on the team, they drink alcohol, and they dont fast, pray, or read koran, but they believe in god as allah which makes them muslum.
and again, hijab is not a requirement, i know a bunch of muslum hoes in college, banging more than 1 guy at once yet go to mosque on fridays
[QUOTE=Hammertime]Do you want footage of Jazz games during Ramadan where he drinks water?
Either way, I seem to have hit a sore spot with the resident hypocrites.
There is no such thing as sinners...only [B]hypocrites[/B].[/QUOTE]
you call them hypocrites, everyone else calls them a person who sins. or a sinner. 99% of us think that, and yet you stand alone... whatever, its your opinion
[QUOTE=Hammertime]How do you know he goes to a Mosque? Or believes in the Quran?[/QUOTE]
Well there are stories online about seeing Okur at different Mosques and I assume if he goes to church he believes in the Quran.
Also his daughters name while not "Muslim" is a very popular name for some Islamic cultures.
[QUOTE=statman32]Well there are stories online about seeing Okur at different Mosques and I assume if he goes to church he believes in the Quran.
[B]Also his daughters name while not "Muslim" is a very popular name for some Islamic cultures[/B].[/QUOTE]
another point here, you're right statman...
also nowadays a lot of muslum families don't give there kids "weird" names. lots are named generic american names to fit in
maybe due to 9/11
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]lol
but they believe in god as allah which makes them muslum.
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Believing in God doesn't make you a Muslim, regardless of what name you apply.
Being a Muslim means living your life as the religion dictates. I understand that most religious people don't go strictly by the book because it's very difficult.
However, you can't just disregard all their rules and guidelines, then claim you believe in Allah and are a Muslim....
actually you can, but it just makes you look like a fool.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I have a friend who converted to Muslim. Guy walks around spouting off Muslim historical facts and beliefs, but doesn't follow 90% of their traditions. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Hammertime]Do you want footage of Jazz games during Ramadan where he drinks water?
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It's a persons choice to do that. He could also use the excuse that it is harmful for him not to drink water. Hell Mormons are suppose to fast for 24 hours on the 1st Sunday of every month but I dont know one Mormon family that does that. They will fast for a meal or two and whats most important is that they know they did it for a reason.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Believing in God doesn't make you a Muslim, regardless of what name you apply.
Being a Muslim means living your life as the religion dictates. I understand that most religious people don't go strictly by the book because it's very difficult.
However, you can't just disregard all their rules and guidelines, then claim you believe in Allah and are a Muslim....
actually you can, but it just makes you look like a fool.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I have a friend who converted to Muslim. Guy walks around spouting off Muslim historical facts and beliefs, but doesn't follow 90% of their traditions. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
not break every rule. but if you say drink, thats 1 of a hundred rules... just means its a sin
This thread
[QUOTE=starface]thats really pretty irrelevant, the point he's making which i think we can all agree on, is that muslims are all terrorists, amIrite?[/QUOTE]
Another thread form yesterday
[QUOTE=starface]i think what we can all agree on is that ALL people from the middle east are terrorists
amIrite?[/QUOTE]
I think someone here is very sad that in November he wont be able to elect GWB again.
Not too make this a religious debate, but I don't see how drinking has anything to do with someone being Muslim or not. True, it's a sin in that religion, but how many Jewish people do you know that keep Kosher, etc?
Kareem was a spokesperson for Coors... just saying.
The bigger question for me is are the guys on the list Muslim or do they belong to the Nation of Islam, because those are two very different things. Both have very different views on the five pillars of faith and the prophet's position, which is sort of like a Christian not believing in the trinity. Non-trinitarians may consider themselves Christian, but mainline Christians do not.
It's a much bigger difference than Protestant/Catholic/Maronite, because all three recognize each other as Christian, whereas mainline Islam does not recognize the Nation of Islam.
This site has lays out a lot of the differences: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20060828131229/religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Nofislam.html[/url]
[QUOTE=moaz]This thread
Another thread form yesterday
I think someone here is very sad that in November he wont be able to elect GWB again.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Didnt look at the whole thread but from the first page you guys missed Bison Dele/ Brian Williams, one of the most underrated players IMO
Hammertime really doesn't want Okur to be Muslim. He's pushing like we're telling him Okur has aids.
I was raised like a Muslim praying to the East.
Sorry that lyric came to mind when I saw this thread.
I would be Muslim but I love Bar B Q pork to much. Pork Chops. Jello.
I can go on and on.
[QUOTE=AbulHassan]... which happens to be a major sin ...[/QUOTE]
go fuc*k yourself
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]go fuc*k yourself[/QUOTE]
That would be another sin!
Every time you do that a kitten dies.
My Priest said so.
[QUOTE=DirtySanchez]That would be another sin!
Every time you do that a kitten dies.
My Priest said so.[/QUOTE]
fuc*k kittens and fuc*k you
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]fuc*k kittens and fuc*k you[/QUOTE]
HA! I heart you to my friend.
Basketball4life, you make some good points....but then again, if one's religion states not to drink and they chose to do it over and over again...they're not taking their prophets words all that serious are they?? Thus, making them hypocrites when they claim to be something.
People like that have the beliefs, maybe from being born into that specific religion, but for some reason aren't practising it. I'd call them hypocrites...not sinners...especially if they make no effort to change their ways and thin kjust by praying the next day that it makes it all OK.
Oh and most of these NBA players would be sunny(spelling?) Muslims...because shiiiite(spelling?) Muslims are predominantly from Iran.
Everyone's praying to the same God, can't we all get along?
[QUOTE=Hammertime]How is he a practicing Muslim? He drinks, he doesn't fast, his wife doesn't wear a hijjab, his daughter has an English name....what exactly does he practice?
Like I said, can someone explain to me how he's any more of a Muslim than Dirk Nowitzki is a Christian?[/QUOTE]
lol that's like saying a Christian that "sins" in any respect isn't a true Christian.
How many "Christians" do you know?
Only a fundamentalist Muslim would do those things listed above. Most Muslims are relaxed about their religion just as most Christians are.
All I know is, I don't care if he's muslim, I loved watching Ahmad Rashad play in the NBA for .... oh wait.
[QUOTE=moaz]This thread
Another thread form yesterday
I think someone here is very sad that in November he wont be able to elect GWB again.[/QUOTE]
LMAO
its called satire you clown, i hate gwb
[QUOTE=AbulHassan]however its not true that not covering up (hijab) is a choice, its absolutely mandatory for a Muslim woman to cover herself appropriatley, PLEASE do not go around giving false information saying that its a choice or its a "cultural thing" since this is a fardh (obligatory) commandment mentioned in both the Qur'an and by the Messenger (saw) [/QUOTE]
I'm working my way through the Quran (about 1/3) of the way through and I haven't come across anything saying that. Can you provide a citation?
Interesting quote I came across yesterday: If the sinners/nonbelievers/disbelievers knew a little of Allah's mercy, they would never lose hope for paradise. If the believers knew of Allah's wrath, they would be filled with fear.
Another hadith: The Prophet (PBUH) said he had a dream and he saw a beautiful city made of gold and silver (ie Paradise). In this city, he saw a guy walking around but he only saw half of the guy's body. And it was the most beautiful/perfect body he ever saw; however, once he saw the rest of his body, he realized that it was the most vile thing he'd ever seen in his life. He was told that this guy mixed good deeds with bad deeds, but he made it into heavan because Allah forgived him.
Another story from Muhammad: Muhammad was asked about the Day of Judgment and about how Allah would judge people. He told his followers that Allah would talk to each person individually, asking them about their deeds. First he would ask their sins and the individual would admit to all his sins. Allah will forgive them and tell the person to now tell him his good deeds since his sins were forigven.
Short reflection: These quotes are kind of related to this thread and the point bb4l is trying to make. In Islam, the key is to put God before all else and constantly try to better oneself as a person. However, God accepts that people make mistakes. To me personally, blatantly disregarding certain rules (alcohol, pork) seems wrong, but doing those things in moments of weakness is a different story. Its like assuming nothing you do will be forgiven and constantly pushing for excellence while knowing that every little thing isn't the end of the world.
[QUOTE=bigboi_baller] He told his followers that Allah would talk to each person individually, asking them about their deeds. [/QUOTE]
That would take a long freakin time
any turkish player thats been in the league, chances are they are muslim
turkish population is 97% muslim
im pretty sure chris jackson is part of the nation
and kareem converted because he found out he was Yoruba, like Hakeem Olajuwon. Its a tribe in mostly situated in Western parts of Africa.
I read in a Shaq biography that he is a muslim? You can claim to be a muslim, but it all depends on your actions. Anybody can claim to be anything, it's the actions and intent that matter...