LOL @ anyone who was offended by Spain's team picture.
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LOL @ anyone who was offended by Spain's team picture.
I wouldn't go as far to call it racist, it's more bad taste and poor judgement. Besides I would bet that it was the photographer who instructed them all to pose like that.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]You are one of the most sensitive douche bag in this forum, and you love guys who always Flop/Whines in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
riiiiiight..... how the fck do you know who i cheer for? i only have 80+ post not unless you read every post of every poster 3 times a day...oh yeah you have 12000 pos.. sorry bout that...
seriously though, people are taking it too far.. i guarantee it wasnt meant to be racist, how others find it so is mindboggling. That's just being oversensitive. Another thing, losing some respect towards the national players of spain just because of this picture is not right.. its not like they are talking trash against the chinese or burning their flag or something.
I know you are a Spurs fan Jabroni, and i am glad Duncan never won an Olympic Gold Medal in 2004 because he was the main reason team USA was eliminated in the semifinals round, and he was team USA's best player during that time.
i'm lazy and this is the exact same post i've made elsewhere on this but here is my take
i havent seen somebody do that since I was in middle school. pretty dumb on their part. very childish.
HOWEVER, once again people seem to not understand what the word racist/racism means
[QUOTE] 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. [/QUOTE]
making fake Asian eyes accomplishes none of those things.
so is it rude and mildly offensive? yea. racist? not so much.
:roll: :roll:
It's just a joke folks, the sooner you can learn to laugh about silly things like this the sooner it'll fade into nothing.
blah blah blah who cares, there messing around. its not like stretching your eyes is a hate crime. this is along the lines of someone telling a white person they cant jump or something like that. who gives a ****
[QUOTE=dr8ked][IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/08/10/spanishbasketballteam.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This isn't offensive but neither is it funny. Not sure what the point of this photo is exactly...
Its not racist, just in very bad taste.
Now the Chinese are going to do it to us by holding their eyes open and talking about hamburgers... it was like knocking over a domino :lol then we make fun of someone else
I would categorize this as ignorant, not racist. Doesn't make it any more of a good idea.
Spain does have a history of being racist ****s, though.
[QUOTE=vinsane01]i hate sensitive people... if everyone were blacks and chinese, there will be no fun in this world.[/QUOTE]
As you are probably white, and never encounter racism, shut the **** up.
[QUOTE=picc84]I would categorize this as ignorant, not racist. Doesn't make it any more of a good idea.
Spain does have a history of being racist ****s, though.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about idiot.Shut up ignorant.
[QUOTE=starface]so what?
people are WAY too sensitive these days.
what if they were playing ireland and they all wore orange mops on their heads? bet everyone here would think its funny and not gravely offensive.
for some reason i guess its off-limits to make fun of blacks, chinese, and mexicans. why? its not like the spanish team is burning their houses down. they're ribbing them over the stereotype of their eyes. big deal.
people just seem to LOOK for reasons to cry and get offended these days. seriously, get real.[/QUOTE]
:eek:
I initially thought they were making fun of Team USA by pointing to their brains
[QUOTE]The Spanish-language paper El Mundo has a piece debating whether the ad was racist that basically calls out the British press for trying to smear Spain's good name. But they miss the point. Whether the picture was made in good fun is irrelevant. It was a ridiculous idea that was bound to upset a lot of people.
It's baffling that nobody involved in the picture -- from the photographers to the players -- even seemed to consider that this ad would be looked at negatively. Did it not occur to somebody that it might not be a good idea to mock an entire continent before the world's largest athletic competition that, by the way, happens to take place on that continent. Were they not aware of an invention called "the Internet" that allows pictures taken in Spain to be transmitted all over the world for the eyes of everyone?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TBurge]As you are probably white, and never encounter racism, shut the **** up.[/QUOTE]
D-
Jose Calderon on the picture....
[url]http://sports.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20080813-154329/Spanish-basketball-star-defends-slit-eyed-team-photo[/url]
[QUOTE=kentatm]i'm lazy and this is the exact same post i've made elsewhere on this but here is my take
i havent seen somebody do that since I was in middle school. pretty dumb on their part. very childish.
HOWEVER, once again people seem to not understand what the word racist/racism means
making fake Asian eyes accomplishes none of those things.
so is it rude and mildly offensive? yea. racist? not so much.[/QUOTE]
I hate people who think the dictionary can define a word like "racism." It's like defining "emotions," "happy," or "sad." Sure you can point to a general idea or conception, but those words mean very different to everyone. Webster to Wikipedia will have different styles of categorizing these emotions and beliefs...because that's what they are. They're not scientific words constricted to the laws of some book published. Which is why language was meant to be interpreted in all different ways. Which is why we have people today arguing over literature and scriptures because meanings apply differently to others. For you to think that it's some sort of formula you can apply is inherently wrong and inherently narrow-minded.
At the end of the day, people are not going to care about this in America. It's become socially acceptable to degrade and belittle Asians and other tertiary race in America. And that's the way it is and it will be for a long time. Maybe ignorance and disbelief in humanity (sample size of this board) has made me bitter, but it's a truth and reality I've noticed. I've done my battles for it in the past, but what's the point when people continue to be as ignorant as they are? People on this board can't even VIRTUALLY get together, how they ever going to embrace ideals in real life?
It's funny because our USA team is fulled of mix cultures and mixed people, which is supposed to give us an edge, supposed to seem coherent..Working together cohesively for a common goal. That's what we should be representing when we look at the US flag. It's what makes us "advanced" even. It's this ideal that should bring about disdain and disgust to what the Spanish team..but instead we're just like "**** it, it wasn't my race or my life." or whatever NIMBY response people put out. And that's ok, because we all knew America was actually far from the ideal it professes.
As far this Spanish team is concerned, whatever. It's not as if my little post in this inconsequential board will do anything. People will continue to ignore because it's what they're accustomed to doing with Asian cultures. I stand in disgust, and maybe as long as I find integrity in myself, that is all that's sufficient.
as a chinese canadian, personally i am ok with it.. but i can understand why so many people is upset..
it's the Olympics, so every news is brow out of proportion, and all medias would like to report controversy.
its blown bro, blown.
[QUOTE]"I want to express that we have great respect for the Orient and its people, some of my best friends in Toronto are of Chinese origin."[/QUOTE]
^ Quote from Jose Calderon
:lol He pulled the "some of my best friends are [insert race]" line to defend their act, nice
What has the Spanish team done to take these actions any farther.
I doubt any of the Spanish team are actual racists. But whoever thought of the idea is a complete idiot. It's too bad Yao Ming didn't give the Gasol brothers an elbow to the face (and I'm a Laker fan).
[QUOTE=TBurge]I doubt any of the Spanish team are actual racists. But whoever thought of the idea is a complete idiot. It's too bad Yao Ming didn't give the [B]Gasol brothers[/B] an elbow to the face (and I'm a Laker fan).[/QUOTE]
Both of them?:oldlol:
Is there a facial expression that supports what Jose Calderon says?
[QUOTE=applejoe]I initially thought they were making fun of Team USA by pointing to their brains[/QUOTE]Classic:lol you're a ****ing genius
Do any of you think the Spanish players actually hate the mongoloid race and believe themselves superior inherently because their eyes aren't slanted?
Its a retarded, ignorant, insensitive photo, but its not racist IMO. Spain as a country is just backwards in that fashion, they have no sense of racial sensitivity and think stuff like this is humorous, and almost flattering. That said, there are a # of racists in the country as evidenced by their treatment of football players and numerous stories from people who have traveled there as tourists. However, I don't believe this was done with any racist, prejudiced, or bigoted intentions in mind. Just blind, almost naive ignorance. At least in relation to the beliefs and values of the rest of the world.
It's irrelevent whether you think this is racist or just stupid, there is no place for things like this. they basically belitted (at best) their host country to make a joke. it makes absolutely no sense. there is no reason not to be respectful, and making fun of your host prior to going somewhere is not respectful.
if i was coming to your house, and right before i came in, i made a rude comment about you as a joke, you would be like WTF is wrong with this dude. Well, thats what they did.
Its more careless and stupid than racist but no one is banning them from the competition. you are allowed to lose respect for people who act stupid, and they acted stupid.
[QUOTE=picc84]Do any of you think the Spanish players actually hate the mongoloid race and believe themselves superior inherently because their eyes aren't slanted?
Its a retarded, ignorant, insensitive photo, but its not racist IMO. Spain as a country is just backwards in that fashion, they have no sense of racial sensitivity and think stuff like this is humorous, and almost flattering. [B]That said, there are a # of racists in the country as evidenced by their treatment of football players and numerous stories from people who have traveled there as tourists[/B]. However, I don't believe this was done with any racist, prejudiced, or bigoted intentions in mind. Just blind, almost naive ignorance. At least in relation to the beliefs and values of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
That's bull****, insulting a hole nation with that is absurd.It will be the same if i said americans kills arabas for oil, or that american are racist because of kkk.
[QUOTE=SuperLopez]Both of them?:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Hell yes.
Look everyone goes over the top. I'm asian but the reason i'm not mad is because 1) i'm Korean haha and 2) it's obvious the Spanish national team is not full of racists. I was way more offended when Shaq did that Karate bull**** because to me Shaq's ego is bigger than his body fat and it's ANNOYING!
[QUOTE=TBurge]Hell yes.[/QUOTE]at the same time would be pretty cool
Everyone is slamming Sain but I refuse to think they were this dumb. I cant see a collection of players where none objected what they were doing. So I'm more likely to give this the benefit of the doubt and wait to hear the players explaniation for what they were attempting to pull off and look further into thier reasoning.
would we have even heard about this if pau gasol was still in memphis?
[QUOTE=wang4three]I hate people who think the dictionary can define a word like "racism." It's like defining "emotions," "happy," or "sad." Sure you can point to a general idea or conception, but those words mean very different to everyone. Webster to Wikipedia will have different styles of categorizing these emotions and beliefs...because that's what they are. They're not scientific words constricted to the laws of some book published. Which is why language was meant to be interpreted in all different ways. Which is why we have people today arguing over literature and scriptures because meanings apply differently to others. For you to think that it's some sort of formula you can apply is inherently wrong and inherently narrow-minded.
At the end of the day, people are not going to care about this in America. It's become socially acceptable to degrade and belittle Asians and other tertiary race in America. And that's the way it is and it will be for a long time. Maybe ignorance and disbelief in humanity (sample size of this board) has made me bitter, but it's a truth and reality I've noticed. I've done my battles for it in the past, but what's the point when people continue to be as ignorant as they are? People on this board can't even VIRTUALLY get together, how they ever going to embrace ideals in real life?
It's funny because our USA team is fulled of mix cultures and mixed people, which is supposed to give us an edge, supposed to seem coherent..Working together cohesively for a common goal. That's what we should be representing when we look at the US flag. It's what makes us "advanced" even. It's this ideal that should bring about disdain and disgust to what the Spanish team..but instead we're just like "**** it, it wasn't my race or my life." or whatever NIMBY response people put out. And that's ok, because we all knew America was actually far from the ideal it professes.
As far this Spanish team is concerned, whatever. It's not as if my little post in this inconsequential board will do anything. People will continue to ignore because it's what they're accustomed to doing with Asian cultures. I stand in disgust, and maybe as long as I find integrity in myself, that is all that's sufficient.[/QUOTE]
Thats interesting. Guess one would have to be in the shoes of an asian to see it.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Everyone is slamming Sain but I refuse to think they were this dumb. I cant see a collection of players where none objected what they were doing. So I'm more likely to give this the benefit of the doubt and wait to hear the players explaniation for what they were attempting to pull off and look further into thier reasoning.[/QUOTE]
i don't think any official explanation is coming unless someone pulls one of these players aside and they are frank about it. the team's official statement was they were joknig and it's not a big deal, but they don't say if they were joking poking fun at chinese or doing something else. i dont think they will elaborate at this point.
for me, it clearly offended the chinese crowd so why they couldn't just say "we didnt mean what you think, but we are sorry because we didnt mean to offend you" and then move on is beyond me.
[QUOTE=niko]i don't think any official explanation is coming unless someone pulls one of these players aside and they are frank about it. the team's official statement was they were joknig and it's not a big deal, but they don't say if they were joking poking fun at chinese or doing something else. i dont think they will elaborate at this point.
for me, it clearly offended the chinese crowd so why they couldn't just say "we didnt mean what you think, but we are sorry because we didnt mean to offend you" and then move on is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
It was the same idea as Japan 2006 when they put the japanese headscarf.It's stupid advertising for the spanish tv viewers(we go to China) who are not very interested in basket.And the whole idea started because a chinese reporter asked Ricky Rubio to do it.
Correct me if I
[QUOTE=biisak]Correct me if I