Michael Jordan memo to Kobe Bryant:

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I'm in full agreement with you on that one. I was going to address that statement if you did not.

I think the comparison of the '92 team to the '12 squad is a lot less about 1-on-1 matchups than what many people are suggesting. I don't think it's a matter of saying, "Jordan > Bryant and James > Pippen", regardless of whether they're true statements or not. The '92 Dream Team is just one continuous wave of Hall of Famers. It never stops and it never drops off. Would the drop off be Chris Mullin, the shooter coming off a 26ppg season on 52% shooting? John Stockton? The all-time leader in assists and steals?

For me, the absurdly high level of depth on the '92 squad is the largest difference between the two teams. If Russell Westbrook attacks David Robinson and draws two quick fouls on him, who's going to pick up the slack? Well, that'd more than likely fall on the shoulders of Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing. No big deal. And if Magic rolls an ankle, who's running point? Oh, John Stockton. Conversely, say David Robinson gives Tyson all he can handle inside and Tyson finds himself in heavy foul trouble early. Who will spell him? Kevin Love. Not shabby, but it's not Patrick Ewing. And if Chris Paul needs a breather? 40% shooting Deron Williams. Again, great player, not John Stockton. The examples, of course, only run deeper.[/QUOTE]

This. The drop-off from the '92 team's starters to second unit isn't as big as the drop-off from the '12 team's best players to the bench. You're going from a starting lineup of 5 HOFers (all in their prime if you go with the starting lineup I used) to a second unit of 5 HOFers (all in their prime except Magic) on the '92 team. With the '12 team you're going from sure fire HOFers in LeBron, Kobe, and more than likely Durant, to guys like Westbrook, Love, Iggy, and Harden.

[QUOTE=RaininTwos]I understand basketball. [/QUOTE]

You apparently don't when you say utter bullsh*t like this:

[QUOTE=RaininTwos]In terms of skill/peak, I think that the MJ/Kobe gap is like splitting hairs.[/QUOTE]

Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).

Dream Team>>>>>>>>2012 Team. I'd love to see Jordan/Pippen taking turns manhandling Kobe and Lebron. I'd love to see a front line of Chandler/Griffin/Love trying to stop Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley. CP3/Westbrook/DWill against Magic/Stock? Please.

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]
Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).
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:roll:

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]You apparently don't when you say utter bullsh*t like this:



Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).

Dream Team>>>>>>>>2012 Team. I'd love to see Jordan/Pippen taking turns manhandling Kobe and Lebron. I'd love to see a front line of Chandler/Griffin/Love trying to stop Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley. CP3/Westbrook/DWill against Magic/Stock? Please.[/QUOTE]

These Kobtards are high in LaLa land. Don't waste your breath.

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]You apparently don't when you say utter bullsh*t like this:



Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).

Dream Team>>>>>>>>2012 Team. I'd love to see Jordan/Pippen taking turns manhandling Kobe and Lebron. I'd love to see a front line of Chandler/Griffin/Love trying to stop Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley. CP3/Westbrook/DWill against Magic/Stock? Please.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE]These Kobtards are high in LaLa land. Don't waste your breath.[/QUOTE]

So your in total agreement that Kobe Bryant = Mitch Richmond in the 90s too ?

And no, I absolutely don't agree with Jordan is better than everything in comparison with Kobe.

Yes, Jordan's the better player, but not at everything.



Keeping to the topic, it would have to come down to the major strengths each team had. Which for the 92 dream team, the big men... hence why Charles Barkley was the best player on the 92 Dream Team, through out that tournament.

The best player from the 08 team (Wade) isn't playing... So we have yet to find out who will be the best player for this team (assuming it will be LeBron/Durant or an outside chance that maybe it's Kobe ?), but it might come down to the point guards play.

This year's team isn't even at full strength due to injuries. The 2008 "redeem team" would beat this 2012 squad.

[QUOTE=TonyD]This year's team isn't even at full strength due to injuries. The 2008 "redeem team" would beat this 2012 squad.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

Since they have already "redeemed", 2012 team's mindset won't be as strong as 2008's either.

[QUOTE]So your in total agreement that Kobe Bryant = Mitch Richmond in the 90s too ?[/QUOTE]

sure if you factor in that Mitch Richmond played with sorry franchises while Kobe Jordan played for a team with a strong frontcourt and superior coaching (cept for Mike Brown of course). We would all love to see how Kobe would fare as the No. 1 option on a medicore franchise in the handchecking 90s era.

[QUOTE]And no, I absolutely don't agree with Jordan is better than everything in comparison with Kobe.

Yes, Jordan's the better player, but not at everything.
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my assessement with Kobe over Jordan is long range shooting. everything else Jordan blows this guy out of the cannon. For MJ to score over 30,000 points with less than 600 three point field goals made is truly astounding.

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]You apparently don't when you say utter bullsh*t like this:



Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).

Dream Team>>>>>>>>2012 Team. I'd love to see Jordan/Pippen taking turns manhandling Kobe and Lebron. I'd love to see a front line of Chandler/Griffin/Love trying to stop Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley. CP3/Westbrook/DWill against Magic/Stock? Please.[/QUOTE]
Rep earned.

[QUOTE=kaiteng]Exactly.

Since they have already "redeemed", 2012 team's mindset won't be as strong as 2008's either.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's one way of putting it. :oldlol:

A focused and healthy Wade, peak Kobe and enterting peak LeBron > prime LeBron, enterting prime Durant, and past-prime Kobe.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade][img]http://bambam.info/filehole/donaldduck-funny-gifs-have-ever-been-so-mad-that-you.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
:lol :lol :lol :lol this gif is awesome

[QUOTE]sure if you factor in that Mitch Richmond played with sorry franchises while Kobe Jordan played for a team with a strong frontcourt and superior coaching (cept for Mike Brown of course). We would all love to see how Kobe would fare as the No. 1 option on a medicore franchise in the handchecking 90s era.[/QUOTE]

I don't know man. It's not that cut and dry to me.

The way I look at it... the Kobe Bryant that this generation has seen... wouldn't have existed in his prime in the 90s. What I'm trying to say is that he would have to be born around the 60s and the play his prime in the 80s-90s period. Therefore, he would be a different player... a player who would adjust through that defense.

He would still be great too, because I believe that greatness can transcend any era... I don't know what his numbers would be like, his Basketball IQ level, etc... but he would still be a superstar player. He wouldn't be the "Jordan clone" that many people relate him to be either (because he didn't grow up watching Jordan's tapes, or other NBA players tapes.)

Maybe he won't have the same career or maybe he will... I'm just trying to look at it logically, since there aren't any time machines, we can't transport players from now back in the past or bring back players from the past to the future, etc...

I think if we're going to say Kobe's in this situation too, I think we can say the same for guy like Dwyane Wade as well.


[QUOTE]my assessement with Kobe over Jordan is long range shooting. everything else Jordan blows this guy out of the cannon. For MJ to score over 30,000 points with less than 600 three point field goals made is truly astounding.[/QUOTE]

I would also say ball handling. Agree with everything else for the most part.

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I'm in full agreement with you on that one. I was going to address that statement if you did not.

I think the comparison of the '92 team to the '12 squad is a lot less about 1-on-1 matchups than what many people are suggesting. I don't think it's a matter of saying, "Jordan > Bryant and James > Pippen", regardless of whether they're true statements or not. The '92 Dream Team is just one continuous wave of Hall of Famers. It never stops and it never drops off. Would the drop off be Chris Mullin, the shooter coming off a 26ppg season on 52% shooting? John Stockton? The all-time leader in assists and steals?

For me, the absurdly high level of depth on the '92 squad is the largest difference between the two teams. If Russell Westbrook attacks David Robinson and draws two quick fouls on him, who's going to pick up the slack? Well, that'd more than likely fall on the shoulders of Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing. No big deal. And if Magic rolls an ankle, who's running point? Oh, John Stockton. Conversely, say David Robinson gives Tyson all he can handle inside and Tyson finds himself in heavy foul trouble early. Who will spell him? Kevin Love. Not shabby, but it's not Patrick Ewing. And if Chris Paul needs a breather? 40% shooting Deron Williams. Again, great player, not John Stockton. The examples, of course, only run deeper.[/QUOTE]

The mere fact that 2012 are vulnerable enough that they would be completely screwed if Tyson Chandler got into foul trouble with Love, Griffin, or Lebron having to backup at center should make this not debatable.

[quote=AlphaWolf24]Kobe=MJ
Lebron>Barkley
Magic>Westbrook
Durant>Pippen
Robinson>Tyson

(anyone bringing up Bird never watched the olympics....dude was hurt and was barely able to play more then 10 minutes per)

12' Bench>92'

Drexler was basically a worse version of Danny Granger and wouldn't even make the squad in modern times....Ewing didn't even have more moves the Yao Ming...


12' is the better overall squad.[/quote]

Come on dude.