prime dirk vs current durant?

[QUOTE=Pointguard]So what is it about? Wade scored more than Dirk was more efficient and consistent from the field too. Blocked, assisted, and got more steals. When Terry plays well or foul the team follows suit more so than when Dirk plays well or bad. That's an indication of something.


The pick and roll only works if both players can make something out of it. Dirk is the only player who is suppose to gain from the pick and roll?[/QUOTE]

When did this become about the finals only?

And are you saying Terry was better overall in the finals? Because he wasn't...

But when did this become about solely that?

You jump around so much it's impossible to follow.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Nowtizki: 26ppg 9.7rpg 2apg 0.7spg 0.7bpg 2.8tpg 41.6%fg 36.8%3pt 97.8%ft

Terry: 18ppg 2rpg 3.2apg 1.3spg 1.3tpg 49.4%fg 39.3%3pt 75%ft[/QUOTE]

I think that settles it then.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]But Dirk actually isn't...you just say he is. He's a 26/10/3 player for his career in the playoffs on some of the best overall efficiency...and his teams offense is always great.

He does way more than you give him credit for. The contradiction is with you moron. If you value Terry over Gasol...that means you value the things I claim are important you ****ing moron. Terry is like maybe 40% as good as Dirk..maybe...and you have Terry ranked over a 21/11/4 great all around power forward!!!! [/quote]
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Didn't I just write that I said it to sucker you into what you said. You can't read. Dallas only needed a consistent, timely scorer. Dallas had no need for a Pau - they had that covered. I made that very clear, Clown.

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So obviously you value clutch scoring and efficient offense hugely...way more than I do...because I'd say Gasol is significantly better than terry[/QUOTE]
And by necessity Karl Malone and KG must be significantly better than Dirk.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]When did this become about the finals only?

And are you saying Terry was better overall in the finals? Because he wasn't...

But when did this become about solely that?

You jump around so much it's impossible to follow.[/QUOTE]
Nope I say it everytime I post it. Terry was the more consistent and efficient scorer when they win in the finals. He could score as much as Dirk with 20 less shots. The loses could have been because Dirk was taking too many shots.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]That's thing. We weren't ever talking about solely the finals...he just shifted the goal posts because he was losing the debate.

It's been about so many other things. You'd never use just 1 series...and even worse...just wins...to determine anything.

It's just facts he's arguing with. The Mavs defense was not great. It was very good overall...and was great at times. Terry was good, but a subpar 2nd option. Those things are really not debatable...[/QUOTE]

Yea i think hes getting a little sidetracked here, its gone way off topic, tbh the thread topic suggests we should be looking at Dirks body of work as a whole rather than just 1 finals series,

Im going to finish with this, Durant is a great player, i like him alot, but he hasn't done anything that so far that will put him over prime Dirk.

Dirk achieved the unthinkable with his team, he won the title in the face of all odds going into the playoffs as the underdogs, went up against the most talented team in the league and got it done in the finals. Dirk has maintained a level of production over the length if his career that most players could not even dream of doing and in doing so has cemented his spot as one of the greatest PFs of all time and most likely the best shooting big man of all time.

Until Durant does any of this, i think this debate is over.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
Please don't fall for his bullshit. Of course the Mavs win when Terry plays well. That's what happens when you give Dirk a legit 2nd option. [/quote]
But they win when Dirk doesn't play well. And they lose when Terry doesn't play well.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]But [B]they win when Dirk doesn't play well[/B]. And they lose when Terry doesn't play well.[/QUOTE]

What proof do you have of that?

[QUOTE=Pointguard]But they win when Dirk doesn't play well. And they lose when Terry doesn't play well.[/QUOTE]
Wtf are you talking about.:wtf: first you say Terry is better then Gasol and know Terry is more important then Dirk.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]But they win when Dirk doesn't play well. And they lose when Terry doesn't play well.[/QUOTE]

This just isn't true. In Dirk's 10 highest scoring games in the 11 playoffs...the Mavs went 8-2. Like...what more do you really want? Because they won a few games with Dirk not playing great...he doesn't matter?

Your problem is that you fail to realize just how much to the table Dirk brings than you give him credit for. If you really think Dirk is just a higher ppg scorer than Terry and that is the only difference...you just don't know basketball.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Nope I say it everytime I post it. Terry was the more consistent and efficient scorer when they win in the finals. He could score as much as Dirk with 20 less shots. The loses could have been because Dirk was taking too many shots.[/QUOTE]

The losses? Yea...it was Dirk's fault they lost game 3...when Dirk went for 34/11

Game 1? Terry shot 3 of 10 for 12 points...Dirk had 27/8...LOL

In both of those losses Dirk way outplayed Terry...not even close.

If Terry plays well...we win both of those games and the series is probably a sweep or 5 games.

But this is just sidetracked now. Dirk was better than Terry in the finals...but Terry did play great. That has never been disputed...Terry overall in the finals was amazing and deserves a ton of credit.

But that is just a red herring to our previous discussions...

[QUOTE=Black and White]What proof do you have of that?[/QUOTE]
All of the stats I used were from the last three wins and some from all four wins. Terry played bad in the loses. First game kind of freaked him when they put Lebron on him.


Terry shot 25 for 43 a 58% clip for 22 ppg
Dirk shot. 24 for 64 a 37.5% clip for 25.6 ppg

That's only a 3.6 differential with a whopping 20% point difference in percentage!

In the four finals wins:
30/54 555% for Terry
34/86 395% for Dirk

Dirk took 32 more shots to get 4 more baskets.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]All of the stats I used were from the last three wins and some from all four wins. Terry played bad in the loses. First game kind of freaked him when they put Lebron on him.


Terry shot 25 for 43 a 58% clip for 22 ppg
Dirk shot. 24 for 64 a 37.5% clip for 25.6 ppg

That's only a 3.6 differential with a whopping 20% point difference in percentage!

In the four finals wins:
30/54 555% for Terry
34/86 395% for Dirk

Dirk took 32 more shots to get 4 more baskets.[/QUOTE]
What about when Terry played like Garbage.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]All of the stats I used were from the last three wins and some from all four wins. Terry played bad in the loses. First game kind of freaked him when they put Lebron on him.


Terry shot 25 for 43 a 58% clip for 22 ppg
Dirk shot. 24 for 64 a 37.5% clip for 25.6 ppg

That's only a 3.6 differential with a whopping 20% point difference in percentage!

In the four finals wins:
30/54 555% for Terry
34/86 395% for Dirk

Dirk took 32 more shots to get 4 more baskets.[/QUOTE]


Stop it...please stop it.

I'm out...this thread has now deteriorated into shit because of you PG...

Making this about a handful of cherrypicked games...claiming Terry is better than Gasol...and then turning around and saying all around play is what matters. You are a ****ing joke. Go back to thinking the nonsense you do...

[QUOTE=Pointguard]All of the stats I used were from the last three wins and some from all four wins. Terry played bad in the loses. First game kind of freaked him when they put Lebron on him.


Terry shot 25 for 43 a 58% clip for 22 ppg
Dirk shot. 24 for 64 a 37.5% clip for 25.6 ppg

That's only a 3.6 differential with a whopping 20% point difference in percentage!

In the four finals wins:
30/54 555% for Terry
34/86 395% for Dirk

Dirk took 32 more shots to get 4 more baskets.[/QUOTE]

But that doesn't mean that Dirk played bad in the wins does it? He still played extremely well, so maybe you should rephrase what you said about they win when he plays bad.

[QUOTE=Black and White]But that doesn't mean that Dirk played bad in the wins does it? He still played extremely well, so maybe you should rephrase what you said about they win when he plays bad.[/QUOTE]
I am really confused here. So he is saying we should ignore Firms good games because they Loss, but doesn't noticed Terry played like hot garbage those games.