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[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23264585/utah-jazz-reportedly-signing-italian-forward-simone-fontecchio-saski-baskonia-euroleague[/url]
[QUOTE]Per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the deal is two years for $6.25 million. ESPN’s Jonathan Givony rates Fontecchio as the best available international prospect at small forward.[/QUOTE]
I penciled him in at the 3 after looking at his rebound numbers. Much like Ingles! At 6'8 you'd love if he could play the 4
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/7/17/23266159/utah-jazz-have-signed-simone-fontecchio-of-baskonia-two-year-deal-nba-free-agency-donovan-mitchell[/url]
[QUOTE]This is also another signal that the Utah Jazz are doing what’s best for the team, not just the wishes of current Jazz player Donovan Mitchell. In a way, it’s a freeing feeling. Utah can go after the best players available without having to get a signoff from a player that doesn't seem interested in being on the team long-term. Who knew that would be such a healthy development for the Jazz?![/QUOTE]
Ainge. Never a good idea to kowtow to your players especially when it's not even your best player
[QUOTE]The Jazz have a lot more moves to make, including [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/7/14/23215922/donovan-mitchell-trade-knicks-new-york-jazz-quickley-toppin-grimes"]a massive potential trade of Donovan Mitchell[/URL], but it feels like the Jazz are content right now making all the other moves they need to while they wait on the Knicks to give the go-ahead on their current trade request. A crazy summer for the Jazz continues!
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I'd guess we'll start hearing of some movement by Miami and others to make a competing offer so Ainge can get his 7 1sts somehow. Definitely some other teams that could add picks and talent to the trade. Probably end up being NY in the end after Ainge makes them sweat a bit. James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE]Hansen, if Danny does not get what he asks for, is it possible we tank with Donovan? DM can play 30+ mins per game to maintain good stats, but we can have our 2nd unit finish the games to guarantee we tank. We also trade Boggie, Conley, Clarkson, Beverly for any young/ pick we can get by Fall. DM can lead and all the young players gain experience. Next year, we have 3 picks, ours which can be lottery, then 2 more at least assuming we dont get more 2023 picks for the vets we have (which we can use to trade up too). And we can use picks we get from our older vets or some of the MIN ones to get another good player next year (and we will still have picks left). In 2-3 years, we will be very good and we have Donovan's Bird rights. He is not going to leave us for max somewhere where he can get supermax. Why settle for less now to trade DM ?[/QUOTE]
they were tanking the moment they traded Rudy rather they knew it or not. How hard they tank is the only question now. Mitchell is not a max guy who can lead a team anywhere. Ainge realizes this
[URL]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/17/23268052/utah-jazz-finish-las-vegas-summer-league-with-a-win-over-the-denver-nuggets[/URL]
[QUOTE]This game was a perfect example of Butler’s summer league. Butler ran the offense well by reading the defense and setting up his teammates with impressive passes. In this game, Butler had 6 assists and was a +14. Like he has all summer league, Butler struggled with his shot shooting 20% from three and 35% from the field. Butler shows flashes of a really nice offensive game, but for whatever reason, he hasn’t been able to polish his game into well-rounded efficiency. For example, multiple times this game Butler would get by his man with a nice first step but couldn’t finish at the rim. Other times Butler would miss three-point shots, and would look timid the next time he’d have a potential shot. The next step for Butler on offense will be his ability to find his efficiency within Will Hardy’s offense. It makes this a vital season for Butler because if he can’t find that ability to score, the league may pass him by.
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He's listed at 6'3 but seems small. He's still young and has a lot of talent. He'll be fine
[QUOTE]After a long summer league, these three players have a chance to really grow and impact this season for the Jazz, it’s up to them to improve their respective games. It’ll be fun this season to see if they’re able to. If they don’t, we’ll have more players coming into the league next year. It’s a cold reality of the NBA, get better or get replaced.
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There's another two way(though I'm not sure he keeps it?) and 4 exhibit 10's. Might be some others in the mix for camp and the Stars too
[QUOTE]Danny, Seriously you want to trade DM for NYC scrubs and late FRPs ? Its going to be hard to even find someone half as good. [/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if they didn't end up with someone better than Mitchell by tanking maybe more than 1. Gobert maybe not
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/17/23266506/utah-jazz-take-on-denver-nuggets-in-final-game-of-summer-league-game-showtime-channel[/url]
[QUOTE]Having signed Johnny Juzang recently, and now Simone Fontechio, the Jazz are closing in on a final roster. But more signings probably depends on what happens with Donovan Mitchell, Bojan Bogdanovic and Mike Conley. A game like this today is a final chance for players looking to make the Jazz roster can make an impression on the team.
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I hope they aren't close to a final roster. A lot of work to be done. Too many vets
[QUOTE]Great pass by Butler for a Cockburn dunk. Not sure why others don't see the potential in him. Still think Quin made a big mistake not finding 10 to 15 consistent minutes for him every game. Especially after Joe went down.
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the Stars are there for a reason
[QUOTE]One point of view. We had Trent Forrest out there. Not tanking but was pretty obvious we didn't care that much about regular season wins. Just think his development would have been sped up if we did. We drafted the guy. Had high praise for him. Played him when we needed a body
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Forrest was better. A lot of ways to develop. Don't think having him on the floor when he wasn't ready helps anyone
[QUOTE]why is Butler on the team and Forrest not ? Danny should have waived Butler and signed Forrest. No ? Wait ... you know more.
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Forrest can't shoot. Butler can...we hope!
[QUOTE]They don't like Butler because they think that will somehow reflect poorly on Quin's decision making. While they were perfectly fine playing Trent Forrest who would never be able to learn to shoot.
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I don't think that is necessarily true. His shot looked better last year. The bigger problem is getting him to let it fly. If he could get even respectable on open shots he's have spot in the league for a long time
[QUOTE]agree, that needs to be developed and it improves by him getting mins that Quin didn't give. He already has shown progress by tonight just by playing the past couple of weeks. [/QUOTE]
he develops that with the Stars and in practice. This idea that guys have to suck at the NBA level to develop is ridiculous!
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But he is surely better than Forrest (whom is not on the Jazz anymore)
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he's not. Forrest dominated the summer league last year even with his lack of a shot. Butler has more upside because of his age
[QUOTE]Yes, he shows flashes of very interesting things, but i really don't know why he played so few in all that summer league...... sometimes i just don't understand the goal of the summer league when you take players and don't play them
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17 players. They all got time
[QUOTE]but you ever worry about his release? seems like he brings it up from his waist and has a low release spot
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that's what I saw when they drafted him. Figured they'd work on a higher release like they did with Ingles
[QUOTE]have you seen how he dresses?
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exactly! I thought he looked like a douche when he first started sitting on the sidelines with his big hats! :lol
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/17/where-will-utah-jazz-be-without-mitchell/[/url]
[QUOTE]So where are the Utah Jazz without Mitchell? Well, with [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/utah-jazz-debate-series-three-ways-utah-won-the-gobert-trade/"]seemingly infinite draft picks[/URL], they will have a brighter future than any of the true cellar dwellers, but their record next season might be one of the worst in the conference.
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OKC?
[QUOTE]The Spurs are destined for an all-out tank in 2023, but all the other younger teams want to try and win now. The Thunder and Rockets have some young players, and the Blazers seem to think Damian Lillard can get them to the postseason. The Kings have Fox and Sabonis, so there’s no reason for them to throw games. It could be a race to the bottom, but with all the draft capital from a hypothetical Mitchell trade, the Jazz will be back in force soon.
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Only Blazers and Kings trying to win
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/18/nets-ideal-trade-partner-utah-jazz/[/url]
Danny doesn't want anything to do with Simmons. Doubt many if any do. If you can get another team to take him sure!
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks[/url]
[QUOTE]"New York is motivated. They're motivated to get Donovan Mitchell, but I think they're also motivated to not just give up everything to get him. They've got four of their own unprotected first round picks. Now, people talk about seven or eight picks. I think a lot of those picks are conditional protected picks that are coming from places like Detroit and Washington. I don't think the Jazz value those the way they do New York's unprotected picks."
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James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE] Keith Smith: The Boston [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Celtics $17.1M Traded Player Exception from the Evan Fournier sign-and-trade expires today[/URL]. Last chance saloon time for Boston to use the NBA’s current largest TPE.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA"]Twitter KeithSmithNBA[/URL]
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TPE and a 1st for Clarkson or Beverley or Gay?
[URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]“I think the Knicks and the Jazz will reengage here at some point. Maybe it’s this week. Maybe it’s next week. Maybe it’s in two or three weeks.[/URL] The Jazz are not necessarily going to move quickly. The Rudy Gobert talks… that was over a period of time this summer and once Minnesota stepped up with the package they did, that was an easy deal for the Jazz to do.
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]RealGM[/URL]
“New York is motivated. [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]They’re motivated to get Donovan Mitchell, but I think they’re also motivated to not just give up everything to get him. They’ve got four of their own unprotected first round picks.[/URL] Now, people talk about seven or eight picks. I think a lot of those picks are conditional protected picks that are coming from places like Detroit and Washington. I don’t think the Jazz value those the way they do New York’s unprotected picks.”
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]RealGM[/URL]
[URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/kd-stuck-in-brooklyn-now-why-is-that?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjkxNTY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2NDYzNjI3MywiaWF0IjoxNjU4MTcwODY0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzkyMjA1Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9._2KtkeHl3G12VajsNe6b13YllAsTGLYWiabyK6sLK0E&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email"]The perpetually title-or-bust Heat, not surprisingly, are all-in on scouring the league to try to manufacture extra first-round picks to boost their chances of completing a trade for Kevin Durant or Utah’s Donovan Mitchell.[/URL] But more teams than not are asking themselves this question: If we trade for Durant, how long before he wants to go somewhere else?
– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/kd-stuck-in-brooklyn-now-why-is-that?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjkxNTY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2NDYzNjI3MywiaWF0IjoxNjU4MTcwODY0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzkyMjA1Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9._2KtkeHl3G12VajsNe6b13YllAsTGLYWiabyK6sLK0E&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]
Then, Monday morning on Get Up, Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Lakers aren’t just focusing on Irving, that talks between Brooklyn and L.A. are “not dead yet,” and that there’s a “good chance” Irving will be back with the Nets “to start the season if Kevin Durant is back in Brooklyn.” [URL="https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/7/18/23268325/reality-dawns-on-kyrie-irving-front-he-may-not-be-going-anywhere-soon-or-at-all"]“I think the Lakers will make a deal, maybe more than one deal,” said Woj. “It may not be for Kyrie Irving, it may not be for an All-NBA player, an All-Star… players like Eric Gordon in Houston, Buddy Hield in Indiana, players like Patrick Beverly who came to the Jazz in a trade from Minnesota who are role players on winning teams.[/URL] What is the price for those kinds of moves? They’re going to continue to be active on those things.
– via [URL="https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/7/18/23268325/reality-dawns-on-kyrie-irving-front-he-may-not-be-going-anywhere-soon-or-at-all"]Net Income @ NetsDaily[/URL]
[QUOTE] Emiliano Carchia: Former Perth Wildcats coach and Boston Celtics assistant coach [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Scott Morrison, is expected to join Will Hardy’s staff in Utah as the Salt Lake City Stars G-League head coach,[/URL] I am told
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Carchia"]Twitter Carchia[/URL]
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He might have the better team this year. While the Jazz suck the Stars should be good once again after getting robbed of their potential title chance in 2020
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50442006/patrick-kinahan-collateral-damage-accompanies-jazz-rebuild[/url]
not sure Rudy and Royce are fan faves
[QUOTE]Give Ainge and owner Ryan Smith credit for willing to take a gigantic risk rather than staying the course. Instead of keeping a likely playoff roster mostly intact, the management group is gutting the nucleus.
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barely made the playoffs last year so there were no guarantees. Mostly rather Rudy is healthy and carrying the team as usual
[QUOTE]"What he got for Gobert, which everybody in the league is (complaining) about like, 'Can you believe it? How could they possibly do that?' I mean, I've talked to 10 different people who have (complained) to me about that trade."
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and yet the Twolves probably win the trade with the best player
[QUOTE]Not that he is even close to being finished. More trades are expected before training camp opens in two months and could extend into the season until the February trade deadline.
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let's hope he's got it all done before camp
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/18/23269303/when-might-a-donovan-mitchell-trade-get-done-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-woj-espn-get-up[/url]
[QUOTE]Calling it “a sliding scale,” Wojnarowski noted that certain frameworks might have fewer players and more future draft picks, while other frameworks might have the opposite.
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Danny obviously wants the picks mostly so they might need to get more teams involved
[QUOTE]“I don’t think the Jazz value those,” he said of protected picks. “They certainly don’t value those the way they do New York’s unprotected picks. Those have value.”
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it's what Danny lives for!
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/18/23268462/narratives-dominate-donovan-mitchell-to-new-york-trade-talks[/url]
[QUOTE][INDENT] If the Knicks accomplish this off-season:
- Signing Jalen Brunson
- Resign Mitch Rob
- Acquire Donovan Mitchell
- Move on from Julius Randle
- Extend RJ Barrett
IT WILL EASILY BE THE GREATEST OFF SEASON IN NEW YORK BASKETBALL HISTORY!
— Jay Knicky TKW (@JayKnicky) [URL="https://twitter.com/JayKnicky/status/1547431866080399361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 14, 2022[/URL] [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
:roll:
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[INDENT] Good thread, but also feels a little optimistic on the price they'll have to pay. Not super far off tho
He also makes the point we've all been making. The Knicks have been pursuing this for a long while. The idea they are just gonna walk (if the price is too high) is laughable [URL]https://t.co/9kk6NxOnCa[/URL]
— Dunzo (@Dunzod) [URL="https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1548475340984438786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 17, 2022[/URL] [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE]While a deal could be announced any minute, reading the landscape tells us it’s more likely that news will break in a few days to a couple weeks. Great ready to strap in. The Utah Jazz and the New York Knicks are set to dominate the NBA headlines for the rest of the offseason.
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It will probably take a while with all the moving parts picks, protections, swaps, etc. That's why the Jazz have so many front office people though!
[QUOTE]The Knicks believe Utah wants to begin the season with a tank-ready roster at all costs. They don’t believe the Jazz are interested in either cobbling together a decent roster by first tip or keeping Donovan in limbo until a deal is done.
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Ideally I'm sure but Ainge will hold out until he at least gets the minimum of what he wants and he'll probably get a lot more
[QUOTE]Danny Ainge has walked away from many deals in the past, like trying to acquire Anthony Davis and being unwilling to include Jayson Tatum. He’s also fast tracked deals when the return is satisfactory, like in the Rudy Gobert deal.
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might have a title in the bubble but otherwise Tatum all day every day over the crutch
[QUOTE]Ultimately, Danny Ainge’s reputation wins out here. It’s too early to say what kind of a GM Leon Rose is but there are undisputed facts. New York has signaled desperation and intention. Utah has signaled availability. It’s ultimately about getting close enough to the asking price to cross the threshold.
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Ainge and James ****in' Dolan. The Perfect Storm! Almost feel sorry for Knicks fans...almost!
[QUOTE]As hard as it may be as fans, let’s take a page out of Ainge’s playbook and exhibit patience. By all accounts, a deal will get done. The longer Danny holds out, the better deal Jazz fans can reasonably expect.
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and it's got the chance to change this franchise forever