The great MJ? Lol...anyone who says Kome Cryant, I guarantee that person is not older than 25.
Any rational person would take rookie LeBron James over Kome Cryant.
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The great MJ? Lol...anyone who says Kome Cryant, I guarantee that person is not older than 25.
Any rational person would take rookie LeBron James over Kome Cryant.
Little documentary on rookie Jordan. Not great quality but somewhat rare:
[url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y1ZOBGBM[/url]
Might also be on youtube but I dont know.
like Kobe but i have to go with rookie Jordan.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Little documentary on rookie Jordan. Not great quality but somewhat rare:
[url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y1ZOBGBM[/url]
Might also be on youtube but I dont know.[/QUOTE]
The quality of the vid was pretty bad but the content was very interesting. Thanks for posting.
[QUOTE]You forgot the last reason. Kobe played selfish basketball at the start of the year. Shaq called him out on it.[/QUOTE]
shaq was just mad that his play was subpar and he needed a scapegoat.
[QUOTE]The playoffs are irrelevant because the team played at a higher level than they were capable of in the regular season anyway so those numbers are meaningless.
The team had a 15-1 record(.938 winning %) against the elite teams in the league and Shaq averaged 30.4 ppg, 15.4 rpg, 3.4 apg and 2.4 bpg.[/QUOTE]
the team played at a higher level because of the elevated play of kobe bryant and shaquille o'neal. and the playoffs aren't irrelevant because it proves that kobe can score what he did and the team can still be (very) successful: 35ppg in a sweep, 34ppg in a sweep.
[QUOTE]Yes it can because it proved the team could play at a very high well for an extended period of time without Kobe. Shaq also kept that up the next few years without Kobe with a 25-6 record combined.[/QUOTE]
its regular season games. shaq led the lakers well without kobe for 10 games in 2001, but they may or may not have played teams who had winning records, and under what circumstances were those teams that they played when kobe was out? it is regular season ball, a 82 game season is alot different to 10 games, and the playoffs is a whole nother ball game.
[QUOTE]You just made that up[/QUOTE]
is gilbert arenas a natural point guard?
[QUOTE]2 more than Nate Thurmond, John Havlicek aswell. The list goes on.[/QUOTE]
clyde drexler, jason kidd, chris webber, robert parish, rick barry.
[QUOTE]It's just a disgrace to the history of professional basketball and makes the award look like a joke.[/QUOTE]
the award has been given to the right person only 60% of the time :roll:
[QUOTE]Seems like a pretty clear MVP to me, I can't see how the voters got it wrong. How anyone can be awarded MVP while missing 24 games is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
it is also clear to me that george gervin deserved the award. however, if walton played a handful more games he would've been the deserved mvp that year. he was easily the better player individually when comparing walton and gervin, and his team also had the best record in the nba. the fact that he missed so much time was, unfortunately for him, his ultimate downfall (in the fact that he didn't deserve the award).
[QUOTE=Shep]shaq was just mad that his play was subpar and he needed a scapegoat.[/QUOTE]
As a center he can't get as many shots as he needs if a perimeter player is chucking.
[QUOTE]the team played at a higher level because of the elevated play of kobe bryant and shaquille o'neal. and the playoffs aren't irrelevant because it proves that kobe can score what he did and the team can still be (very) successful: 35ppg in a sweep, 34ppg in a sweep.[/QUOTE]
However the team was still at it's best when Shaq was the first option like in the playoffs.
[QUOTE]its regular season games. shaq led the lakers well without kobe for 10 games in 2001, but they may or may not have played teams who had winning records, and under what circumstances were those teams that they played when kobe was out? it is regular season ball, a 82 game season is alot different to 10 games, and the playoffs is a whole nother ball game.[/QUOTE]
That's true but I'm just pointing out that from what we have to go by the team played well without Kobe. Later on I'll go back and see how good the teams were the Lakers beat without Kobe.
[QUOTE]is gilbert arenas a natural point guard?[/QUOTE]
Nope but he has a different mindset than Penny.
In 2006 and 2007 Gilbert took 21 shots per game while penny never even took 16 shots per game.
[QUOTE]clyde drexler, jason kidd, chris webber, robert parish, rick barry.[/QUOTE]
The fact that we could go on and on shows how pathetic the voters for the award can be. Steve Nash? :oldlol: He played with 2 all-stars and 2 teammates who combined for about 45 ppg and he always got lit up on defense.
[QUOTE]the award has been given to the right person only 60% of the time :roll:[/QUOTE]
2001 was among the worst choices. O'Neal played more games than Iverson, had better all around stats, won as many games in a [B][U]much[/U][/B] tougher conference. The West that year was similar to this year. People also forget Iverson had great teammates too, he had the 6th man of the year, the DPOY, a handful of great defenders and rebounders.
[QUOTE]it is also clear to me that george gervin deserved the award. however, if walton played a handful more games he would've been the deserved mvp that year. he was easily the better player individually when comparing walton and gervin, and his team also had the best record in the nba. the fact that he missed so much time was, unfortunately for him, his ultimate downfall (in the fact that he didn't deserve the award).[/QUOTE]
I agree, if Walton played atleast around 70 games then he would have deserved the award but he didn't even play 60.
kobe, because of experience,leadership,and his game is more refined in this day and age.
Rookie Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals, and was second in blocked shots.
Rookie MJ ftw
jordan couldnt hit the backside of the barn in his early years but he was just so superior athletic like LBJ is now but Jordan is just a better scorer nobody could keep him out the lane thats why he averaged 37.1pts a game one season shooting 55%
to help a team win MJ
[QUOTE=lilojmayo]jordan couldnt hit the backside of the barn in his early years but he was just so superior athletic like LBJ is now but Jordan is just a better scorer nobody could keep him out the lane thats why he averaged 37.1pts a game one season shooting 55%
to help a team win MJ[/QUOTE]
Jordan had a better shot in his rookie year from 18 feet and in than Lebron has today. ALso, he didn't shoot 55% the year he averaged 37.1 ppg, he shot 48.2% that year. He shot 53.5% the year he averaged 35.0 ppg, however. His highest FG% was 53.9% (1991) and he also shot 53.8% in 1989.
actually he shot 53.9% in 1991 and 53.8% in 1989, I believe.
[QUOTE=Loki]Jordan had a better shot in his rookie year from 18 feet and in than Lebron has today. ALso, he didn't shoot 55% the year he averaged 37.1 ppg, he shot 48.2% that year. He shot 53.5% the year he averaged 35.0 ppg, however. His highest FG% was 53.8% (1991).[/QUOTE]
Damn those numbers are just sick especially 37 ppg or 35 ppg on 54% shooting.
[QUOTE=72-10]actually he shot 53.9% in 1991 and 53.8% in 1989, I believe.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I just checked. 53.8% in 1989 and 53.9% in 1991. 1990 was the "down" year for him at 52.6%. :oldlol: I'll edit my post.
[QUOTE]As a center he can't get as many shots as he needs if a perimeter player is chucking.[/QUOTE]
he was getting the same attempts. are you going to blame kobe for his 5 less fg% and 37%FT? :roll:
[QUOTE]However the team was still at it's best when Shaq was the first option like in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
yes, but those same playoff series' proved that kobe's increased points didn't stop the lakers from being successful
[QUOTE]Nope but he has a different mindset than Penny.
In 2006 and 2007 Gilbert took 21 shots per game while penny never even took 16 shots per game.[/QUOTE]
quit looking at the stat pages and watch their games. both are point guards with a scorers mentality. guys like baron davis, allen iverson, and steve francis are all in the same boat.
[QUOTE]The fact that we could go on and on shows how pathetic the voters for the award can be. Steve Nash? He played with 2 all-stars and 2 teammates who combined for about 45 ppg and he always got lit up on defense.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: tell me about it. he played with 2 of the top 3 most valuable players in the entire league in '05
[QUOTE]2001 was among the worst choices. O'Neal played more games than Iverson, had better all around stats, won as many games in a much tougher conference. The West that year was similar to this year. People also forget Iverson had great teammates too, he had the 6th man of the year, the DPOY, a handful of great defenders and rebounders.[/QUOTE]
shaq, duncan, webber, and garnett all deserved it more than iverson.