80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Magic's best season was without a doubt in '87. He had the greatest PG season in NBA History. Any Magic Johnson fan will tell you that. Worthy was also better in '87. That was the year he earned the nickname "BIG GAME JAMES". he averaged more points in '91 because the '91 lakers didn't have the weapons they had in '87 so they relied more on Worthy. Worthy only shot 14.7 attempts per game in '87 while in '91 shot 18.7 attempts per game. In the playoffs James Worthy was much better in '87. In the '87 Playoffs he averaged 23.6 PPG while shooting 59 FG%. In the '91 playoffs he averaged 21.1 PPG but was shooting 46.5 FG%.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :rolleyes:

this is really getting old. ill say this and then ill end my half of this topic unless someone comes with facts and not opinions. from this convo weve had the last few days i am firmly convinced that 87 lakers and sir charles are one of two things: either they have never played bball due to their sappy reasoning and terrible knowledge. or they are women who only believe what they want to believe or hear what they want to hear. or maybe both of the two.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]this is really getting old. ill say this and then ill end my half of this topic unless someone comes with facts and not opinions. from this convo weve had the last few days i am firmly convinced that 87 lakers and sir charles are one of two things: either they have never played bball due to their sappy reasoning and terrible knowledge. or they are women who only believe what they want to believe or hear what they want to hear. or maybe both of the two.[/QUOTE]

80's > 90's

I have given facts in this thread. The only fact you made was that the NBA was more popular in the 90's. When really popularity does not equal quality.

I have proven that there were better teams in the 80's. Better players in the 80's. And better rivalries in the 80's. The 80's are superior to the 90's.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I have given facts in this thread. The only fact you made was that the NBA was more popular in the 90's. When really popularity does not equal quality.

I have proven that there were better teams in the 80's. Better players in the 80's. And better rivalries in the 80's. The 80's are superior to the 90's.[/QUOTE]

[B]I have even have given a detailed description explaining why the 1996 Bulls would not be able to Beat the 1986 CELTICS with a Prime BIRD, McHALE, PARISH and the crew especially when they put their "BIG LINE UP" already. :hammerhead: :rolleyes: .

This Team was able to hold THE TWIN TOWER 2 CENTER PIECE SYSTEM of Hakeem: a 6`10 ft Defensive-Offensive Force (which Jordan and Pippen hardly ever bean and this time with a better team!) that We Know Already How Good He Was and Ho Much he could make his Teams Better and along Ralph Samson: a 7`4 footer that before his injury was NBA`s BIGGEST MISSMATCH for Centers of Forwards. A 7`4 ft Leaper with the Silky Moves of a SF (and as Fast as SFs) and that could also handle the ball better than most PFs.

The Celtics handled that Rockets FRONTLINE which the SHOWTIME LAKERS with all Their: TALENT, SPEED, SKILL AND SUPERIOR HEIGHT THAN THE 1996 BULLS couldn`t.

And we are talking about a: PRIME MAGIC, PRIME WORTHY, PRIME SCOTT, PRIME A.C GREEN, PRIME RAMBIS, PRIME LUCAS etc and MR. KAREEM still hitting for 23-26 PPG! and 53-56% from the FG! (not the Kareem after 1987:rolleyes: ).... COULD NOT BEAT :hammerhead:.

I`ve given the Descritpion where the Celtics would use their [U]BIG LINE UP [/U] and force the Bulls to play a Fast Paced Game [U]but with NO FRONT LINE that could Harm the Celtics[/U]. Jordan and Pippen would have to NOT ONLINE TAKE THE LOAD OF CREATING THEMSELVES but ALSO SCORING and THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLAY MANY MINUTES becaue as Soon as One of them Leaves the Court they would ONLY HAVE 1 DAMAGING OFFENSIVE WEAPON (either Jordan or Pippen).

Not to mention that Scottie would have to not only take the LOAD OF CREATING AND SCORING (AFTER JORDAN) but ALSO GUARDING A PRIME BIRD which he could`nt when Bird had no back and was 33-35 years old (now this would be Bird in his 20s).

Just Picture This:

(C): PARISH v.s LONGLEY/WENNINGTON (C)
(CF): WALTON v.s EDWARDS (C)
(PF): McHALE V.s RODMAN (PF)
(SF/SG/PG): BIRD v.s PIPPEN (PG/SF)
(PG/SG): DJ vs JORDAN (SG/PG)


The [U]Only 1 Position in Court where the Bulls have a Clear Superiority is DJ vs JORDAN [/U]---[U]but Jordan could not stop the DJ and Bird combination nor DJ from making Great Passes to the BIG THREE and BIRD himself[/U].

[U]Pippen would have 3 Jobs: 1st CREATE, 2nd GUARD MR BIRD in his PRIME and 3rd SCORE IN THE LEVEL OF A SECOND SCORING THREAT, after Jordan. Too much load[/U]:hammerhead:.

Pippen would not Stop Bird from Scoring, Rebounding and Dishing Out Assits to the SUPERIOR FRONT-LINE which would OWN THE BULLS in: SCORING (at a 55-60% FG), REBOUNDING (only Rodman will get a couple of Offensive Rbds more than Mchale), BLOCK SHOTS and GETTING FOULED By the SHORT Bulls Frontline. It would not be a Good Idea to Faul McHale and Parish because both where Good FT% Shooters too)

[U]They only way for the Bulls to Get More Points and Talent in the Frontline would be put in Toni Kukoc as the SF for Most of the Game[/U] = [U]this would Lessen the BULLS FRONTLINE DEFENSE and open up McHALE

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]I have even have given a detailed description explaining why the 1996 Bulls would not be able to Beat the 1986 CELTICS with a Prime BIRD, McHALE, PARISH and the crew especially when they put their "BIG LINE UP" already. :hammerhead: :rolleyes: .

This Team was able to hold THE TWIN TOWER 2 CENTER PIECE SYSTEM of Hakeem: a 6`10 ft Defensive-Offensive Force (which Jordan and Pippen hardly ever bean and this time with a better team!) that We Know Already How Good He Was and Ho Much he could make his Teams Better and along Ralph Samson: a 7`4 footer that before his injury was NBA`s BIGGEST MISSMATCH for Centers of Forwards. A 7`4 ft Leaper with the Silky Moves of a SF (and as Fast as SFs) and that could also handle the ball better than most PFs.


The Celtics handled that Rockets FRONTLINE which the SHOWTIME LAKERS with all Their: TALENT, SPEED, SKILL AND SUPERIOR HEIGHT THAN THE 1996 BULLS couldn`t.

And we are talking about a: PRIME MAGIC, PRIME WORTHY, PRIME SCOTT, PRIME A.C GREEN, PRIME RAMBIS, PRIME LUCAS etc and MR. KAREEM still hitting for 23-26 PPG! and 53-56% from the FG! (not the Kareem after 1987:rolleyes: ).... COULD NOT BEAT :hammerhead:.

I`ve given the Descritpion where the Celtics would use their [U]BIG LINE UP [/U] and force the Bulls to play a Fast Paced Game [U]but with NO FRONT LINE that could Harm the Celtics[/U]. Jordan and Pippen would have to NOT ONLINE TAKE THE LOAD OF CREATING THEMSELVES but ALSO SCORING and THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLAY MANY MINUTES becaue as Soon as One of them Leaves the Court they would ONLY HAVE 1 DAMAGING OFFENSIVE WEAPON (either Jordan or Pippen).

Not to mention that Scottie would have to not only take the LOAD OF CREATING AND SCORING (AFTER JORDAN) but ALSO GUARDING A PRIME BIRD which he could`nt when Bird had no back and was 33-35 years old (now this would be Bird in his 20s).

Just Picture This:

(C): PARISH v.s LONGLEY/WENNINGTON (C)
(CF): WALTON v.s GRANT (PF)
(PF): McHALE V.s RODMAN (PF)
(SF/SG/PG): BIRD v.s PIPPEN (PG/SF)
(PG/SG): DJ vs JORDAN (SG/PG)


The [U]Only 1 Position in Court where the Bulls have a Clear Superiority is DJ vs JORDAN [/U]but Jordan could not stop the DJ and Bird combination nor DJ from making Great Passes to the BIG THREE and BIRD himself.

Pippen would have 3 Jobs: 1st CREATE, 2nd GUARD MR BIRD in his PRIME and 3rd SCORE as in the level of a Second Scoring Threat after Jordan. Too much load:hammerhead:.

Pippen would not Stop Bird from Scoring, Rebounding and Dishing Out Assits to the SUPERIOR FRONT-LINE which would OWN THE BULLS in: SCORING (at a 55-60% FG), REBOUNDING (only Rodman will get a couple of Offensive Rbds more than Mchale), BLOCK SHOTS and GETTING FOULED By the SHORT Bulls Frontline (which would not be a good idea because McHale and Parish where Good FT% Shooters too)

They only way for the Bulls Frontline to Get More Points and Get in More Talent would be to Put in [U]Toni Kukoc, which would Lessen the BULLS FRONTLINE DEFENSE and open up McHALE

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I have given facts in this thread. The only fact you made was that the NBA was more popular in the 90's. When really popularity does not equal quality.

I have proven that there were better teams in the 80's. Better players in the 80's. And better rivalries in the 80's. The 80's are superior to the 90's.[/QUOTE]
you said the 80s teams were better because they had more hof. i rebutted this by saying how many of those players were playing at a hof level for that year. and like 90s teams, the answer is 2. there is no proof that 80s players are any better. but if i remember correct your reasoning was because of the 80s drafted players dominating the 90s. i rebutted this by saying 70s players dominated the early to mid 80s too. 4 of the first 5 MVPs were won by players drafted in the 70s. you stated that the 80s were superior to the 90s as far as teams and use faster pace stats and the "watered down" theory as your reasoning. i rebutted this by showing you that the league wasnt watered down, the pace was slower which means lower stats and, the waterd down theory is not a good one because as far as talent level, there were still plenty of good basketball players to go around. thats no more an exact science than the nba draft. which always has high draft pick bust (kwame brown, michael olowakandi) to name a few. you also said that an older larry bird was better than a young 24 year old pippen and i showed you that they were break even even with bird being the number 1 option and pippen second to jordan. and pippen made him average about 5 TOs a game on the defensive side. the only thing the 80s has over the other eras is the rivaly between magic and bird. and i feel that the games were better with the more up tempo fast break style of ball.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]I have even have given a detailed description explaining why the 1996 Bulls would not be able to Beat the 1986 CELTICS with a Prime BIRD, McHALE, PARISH and the crew especially when they put their "BIG LINE UP" already. :hammerhead: :rolleyes: .

This Team was able to hold THE TWIN TOWER 2 CENTER PIECE SYSTEM of Hakeem: a 6`10 ft Defensive-Offensive Force (which Jordan and Pippen hardly ever bean and this time with a better team!) that We Know Already How Good He Was and Ho Much he could make his Teams Better and along Ralph Samson: a 7`4 footer that before his injury was NBA`s BIGGEST MISSMATCH for Centers of Forwards. A 7`4 ft Leaper with the Silky Moves of a SF (and as Fast as SFs) and that could also handle the ball better than most PFs.


The Celtics handled that Rockets FRONTLINE which the SHOWTIME LAKERS with all Their: TALENT, SPEED, SKILL AND SUPERIOR HEIGHT THAN THE 1996 BULLS couldn`t.

And we are talking about a: PRIME MAGIC, PRIME WORTHY, PRIME SCOTT, PRIME A.C GREEN, PRIME RAMBIS, PRIME LUCAS etc and MR. KAREEM still hitting for 23-26 PPG! and 53-56% from the FG! (not the Kareem after 1987:rolleyes: ).... COULD NOT BEAT :hammerhead:.

I`ve given the Descritpion where the Celtics would use their [U]BIG LINE UP [/U] and force the Bulls to play a Fast Paced Game [U]but with NO FRONT LINE that could Harm the Celtics[/U]. Jordan and Pippen would have to NOT ONLINE TAKE THE LOAD OF CREATING THEMSELVES but ALSO SCORING and THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLAY MANY MINUTES becaue as Soon as One of them Leaves the Court they would ONLY HAVE 1 DAMAGING OFFENSIVE WEAPON (either Jordan or Pippen).

Not to mention that Scottie would have to not only take the LOAD OF CREATING AND SCORING (AFTER JORDAN) but ALSO GUARDING A PRIME BIRD which he could`nt when Bird had no back and was 33-35 years old (now this would be Bird in his 20s).

Just Picture This:

(C): PARISH v.s LONGLEY/WENNINGTON (C)
(CF): WALTON v.s EDWARDS (C)
(PF): McHALE V.s RODMAN (PF)
(SF/SG/PG): BIRD v.s PIPPEN (PG/SF)
(PG/SG): DJ vs JORDAN (SG/PG)


The [U]Only 1 Position in Court where the Bulls have a Clear Superiority is DJ vs JORDAN [/U]---[U]but Jordan could not stop the DJ and Bird combination nor DJ from making Great Passes to the BIG THREE and BIRD himself[/U].

[U]Pippen would have 3 Jobs: 1st CREATE, 2nd GUARD MR BIRD in his PRIME and 3rd SCORE IN THE LEVEL OF A SECOND SCORING THREAT, after Jordan. Too much load[/U]:hammerhead:.

Pippen would not Stop Bird from Scoring, Rebounding and Dishing Out Assits to the SUPERIOR FRONT-LINE which would OWN THE BULLS in: SCORING (at a 55-60% FG), REBOUNDING (only Rodman will get a couple of Offensive Rbds more than Mchale), BLOCK SHOTS and GETTING FOULED By the SHORT Bulls Frontline. It would not be a Good Idea to Faul McHale and Parish because both where Good FT% Shooters too)

[U]They only way for the Bulls to Get More Points and Talent in the Frontline would be put in Toni Kukoc as the SF for Most of the Game[/U] = [U]this would Lessen the BULLS FRONTLINE DEFENSE and open up McHALE

[QUOTE=97 bulls]are 80s stats higher due to pace?[/QUOTE]

[B]The 1986 Celtics Could Play [U]BOTH Eastern Style and Western Running Style [/U] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]but it JUST SO HAPPENS that the Celtics where the GREATEST HALFCOURT/SLOW PACE TEAM EVER with Great Spot up Shooters and Passers from the Outside, including Bird[/COLOR].

C: PARISH = MissMatch for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

CF: WALTON = Miss Match for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

PF: McHALE= Could Only Be Contend for Rebounds but usually Offensive because if McHale would School the Whole Bulls Team 1 on 1 in the Post:D

SG/SF/PG: Bird= Only Battle in the Court with Pippen. Bird at age 27 Would Outscore Pippen, Out Rebound Pippen and Out Assist Pippen. Bird would have tough time but Pippen would have it even tougher because he would have to Guard PRIME BIRD, CREATE for his INEFFICIENT FRONTLINE and BE THE SECOND SCORING THREAT: TOO MUCH LOAD!:hammerhead:

PG/SG: Jordan would win this match but would not prevent DJ from 1stly CREATING & ASSISTING = BIRD (Great Combination), McHALE or PARISH. DJ would Slow the Pace Down and then Ainge would Come in to make Jordan Run

So here it is:

[COLOR="darkgreen"][U]You have [I]3 POSITIONS TOTALLY DOMINATED [/I][/U]by the CELTICS (C, CF and PF)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]You have [U]1 POSITION DOMINATED BY THE CELTICS (SF-SG/PG-SF)[/U] in the Bird vs Pip, which Bird would eventually win at his PRIME and yes knowing that Bird was like MAGIC (could make temates much better than Pippen or Jordan)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]Finally, you [U]only have 1 POSITION DOMINATED by the BULLS (PG/SG)[/U][/COLOR] in the [COLOR="DarkGreen"]DJ[/COLOR] vs [COLOR="Red"]JORDAN[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]CELTICS 6,[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]BULLS 2[/COLOR]. And Im being Nice :rolleyes:

If you don`t believe me Just go Watch the 2008 NBA FINALS: CELTICS VS LAKERS finals Again.

The CELTICS FRONTLINE Schooled The Lakers Ineffective FRONTLINE: DEFENSIVELY, REBOUNDING and SCORING. Now matter how good Bryant played or Sasha Shot or his BACKCOURT tried it was NO CONTEST.

But in this Case the BULLS Would have to FACE: "PARISH-McHALE WALTON "

(not just Garnett offensively in the Frontline) and yes--- 27 year old BIRD!

LARRY BIRD IN HIS PRIME...WHOM COULD NOT ONLY SCORE, SHOOT AND REBOUND BUT WAS THE GREATEST PASSING FORWARD EVER! AND YES COULD MAKE HIS TEAMATES MUCH BETTER than JORDAN or PIPPEN:confusedshrug:

The Bulls would only have 2 Scoring Threats: Jordan ofcourse and Pippen (whom would have too much LOAD to Carry Guarding Bird, Creating and being the SECOND SCORING THREAT). If the Bulls put in Kukoc to Increase the Frontline Scoring they would also Diminish the Bulls contendinf DEFENSE in the Frontline so the CELTICS would SCHOOL even MORE in THE POST/FRONTLINE!

NO CONTEST[/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]The 1986 Celtics Could Play [U]BOTH Eastern Style and Western Running Style [/U] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]but it JUST SO HAPPENS that the Celtics where the GREATEST HALFCOURT/SLOW PACE TEAM EVER with Great Spot up Shooters and Passers from the Outside, including Bird[/COLOR].

C: PARISH = MissMatch for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

CF: WALTON = Miss Match for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

PF: McHALE= Could Only Be Contend for Rebounds but usually Offensive because if McHale would School the Whole Bulls Team 1 on 1 in the Post:D

SG/SF/PG: Bird= Only Battle in the Court with Pippen. Bird at age 27 Would Outscore Pippen, Out Rebound Pippen and Out Assist Pippen. Bird would have tough time but Pippen would have it even tougher because he would have to Guard PRIME BIRD, CREATE for his INEFFICIENT FRONTLINE and BE THE SECOND SCORING THREAT: TOO MUCH LOAD!:hammerhead:

PG/SG: Jordan would win this match but would not prevent DJ from 1stly CREATING & ASSISTING = BIRD (Great Combination), McHALE or PARISH. DJ would Slow the Pace Down and then Ainge would Come in to make Jordan Run

So here it is:

[COLOR="darkgreen"]You have [I]3 POSITIONS TOTALLY DOMINATED [/I]by the CELTICS (C, CF and PF)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]You have [U]1 POSITION DOMINATED BY THE CELTICS (SF-SG/PG-SF)[/U] in the Bird vs Pip, which Bird would eventually win at his PRIME and yes knowing that Bird was like MAGIC (could make temates much better than Pippen or Jordan)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]Finally, you only have 1 POSITION DOMINATED by the BULLS (PG/SG)[/COLOR] in the [COLOR="DarkGreen"]DJ[/COLOR] vs [COLOR="Red"]JORDAN[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]CELTICS 6,[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]BULLS 2[/COLOR]. And Im being Nice :rolleyes:

If you don`t believe me Just go Watch the 2008 NBA FINALS: CELTICS VS LAKERS finals Again.

The CELTICS FRONTLINE Schooled The Lakers Ineffective FRONTLINE: DEFENSIVELY, REBOUNDING and SCORING. Now matter how good Bryant played or Sasha Shot or his BACKCOURT tried it was NO CONTEST.

But in this Case the BULLS Would have to FACE: PARISH-McHALE WALTON (not just Garnett offensively in the Frontline) and yes--- 27 year old BIRD!

LARRY BIRD IN HIS PRIME...WHOM COULD NOT ONLY SCORE, SHOOT AND REBOUND BUT WAS THE GREATEST PASSING FORWARD EVER! AND YES COULD MAKE HIS TEAMATES MUCH BETTER than JORDAN or PIPPEN:confusedshrug:

NO CONTEST[/B][/QUOTE]
was the pace in the 80s highe? even if the celtics played a halfcourt game werent the other teams playing against them running which would mean more shot attempts for the celtics? answer the question GEEZE

[QUOTE=97 bulls]was the pace in the 80s highe? even if the celtics played a halfcourt game werent the other teams playing against them running which would mean more shot attempts for the celtics? answer the question GEEZE[/QUOTE]

[B]The Celtics where the GREATEST HALF COURT POST UP/FRONTLINE TEAM EVER:D . And loved to Play Against the Running Teams except the SHOW TIME LAKERS.

[U][COLOR="Blue"]The SHOW TIME LAKERS: differently from the Bulls, had BOTH A "FRONT LINE" (KARREM-WORTHY) that could Score and "BACKCOURT" (MAGIC-SCOTT) that could Score[/COLOR] [/U]

The BULLS only have JORDAN and PIPPEN. PIPPEN as I said would have too much LOAD: PG Creating, Guarding A PRIME BIRD! and then trying to be the Second Scoring Threat along Jordan because the Bulls Frontline is Pathetic Scoring wise withouth Kucok (whom is a Worst Post Defender than Rodman. Wennington, Edwards or Longley = AND Grant was not in the 1996 Buls :oldlol: )

[U]Only the Lakers where succesfull playing A FAST PACE, why? Because they had Scorers in both BACKCOURT AND FRONT COURT. I repeat, something the Bulls did not in 1996 and even if did with Kukoc coming in as a starting SF. [COLOR="DarkGreen"]They`d get their ASSES OWNED even MORE against PARISH-WALTON and McHALE because out of all the Fs and Cs from the Bulls Team, Kukoc was the WORST POST DEFENDER![/COLOR][/U]

Just remember what Bird said along Doctor J in the 1998 ALL STAR GAME (PRESENTIN THE 50 GREATST PLAYERS EVER)

"Magic you didn`t have to play anyone to get to the finals" and Magic admits it as true:) . Eastern Conference where the Cetlics, early Sixers, Pistons, Cavs, Knicks and Bulls was the Real Competition whuch Celtics would usually win :confusedshrug:

:rockon: :violin: [/B]

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]you said the 80s teams were better because they had more hof. i rebutted this by saying how many of those players were playing at a hof level for that year. and like 90s teams, the answer is 2. [/B]there is no proof that 80s players are any better. but if i remember correct your reasoning was because of the 80s drafted players dominating the 90s. [B]i rebutted this by saying 70s players dominated the early to mid 80s too. 4 of the first 5 MVPs were won by players drafted in the 70s.[/B] [B]you stated that the 80s were superior to the 90s as far as teams and use faster pace stats and the "watered down" theory as your reasoning.[/B] i rebutted this by showing you that the league wasnt watered down, the pace was slower which means lower stats and, the waterd down theory is not a good one because as far as talent level, there were still plenty of good basketball players to go around. thats no more an exact science than the nba draft. which always has high draft pick bust (kwame brown, michael olowakandi) [B]to name a few. you also said that an older larry bird was better than a young 24 year old pippen and i showed you that they were break even even with bird being the number 1 option and pippen second to jordan. and pippen made him average about 5 TOs a game on the defensive side.[/B] the only thing the 80s has over the other eras is the rivaly between magic and bird. and i feel that the games were better with the more up tempo fast break style of ball.[/QUOTE]

Each the Lakers and Celtics had 3 HOF players on their team rather you like it or not. The Celtics and Lakers also had the greatest role players in NBA History. Michael Cooper, Byron Scott, Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Bill Walton ('86), Bob McAdoo, A.C. Green. The Bulls role players don't even come close to that.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 50 greatest players of all time
Magic Johnson - 50 greatest players of all time
James Worthy - 50 greatest players of all time
Larry Bird - 50 greatest players of all time
Kevin McHale - 50 greatest players of all time

Look at the MVPs for the 90's. [B]EVERY PLAYER THAT WON AN MVP AWARD IN THE 90's WERE DRAFTED IN THE EARLY - MID 80's. (except David Robinson) AMAZING!!!!!![/B]

Teams were better in the 80's. [B]4 of the 10 greatest teams in NBA History played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers, & '89 Pistons.[/B] The NBA was watered down in the mid 90's thats a fact. Do you really think a Jazz team with Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell would of made the NBA Finals in the mid 80's?? NO!!! In the mid 80's you had 20 HOF players in the NBA with only 23 NBA Teams. That's an average a nearly 1 HOF player per team.

I never said and old Larry Bird was better than a early 90's Scottie Pippen. I just said Bird had pretty good games against Pippen in the early 90's. Please go back an re-read what i posted. Get some reading comprehensions.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Each the Lakers and Celtics had 3 HOF players on their team rather you like it or not. The Celtics and Lakers also had the greatest role players in NBA History. Michael Cooper, Byron Scott, Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Bill Walton ('86), Bob McAdoo, A.C. Green. The Bulls role players don't even come close to that.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 50 greatest players of all time
Magic Johnson - 50 greatest players of all time
James Worthy - 50 greatest players of all time
Larry Bird - 50 greatest players of all time
Kevin McHale - 50 greatest players of all time

Look at the MVPs for the 90's. [B]EVERY PLAYER THAT WON AN MVP AWARD IN THE 90's WERE DRAFTED IN THE EARLY - MID 80's. (except David Robinson) AMAZING!!!!!![/B]

Teams were better in the 80's. [B]4 of the 10 greatest teams in NBA History played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers, & '89 Pistons.[/B] The NBA was watered down in the mid 90's thats a fact. Do you really think a Jazz team with Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell would of made the NBA Finals in the mid 80's?? NO!!! In the mid 80's you had 20 HOF players in the NBA with only 23 NBA Teams. That's an average a nearly 1 HOF player per team.

I never said and old Larry Bird was better than a early 90's Scottie Pippen. I just said Bird had pretty good games against Pippen in the early 90's. Please go back an re-read what i posted. Get some reading comprehensions.[/QUOTE]

[B]A Players Prime Goes from 22 to 32 at most. Bird from 1990 to 1992 was 33 to 35 years old. That is "WAY PAST HIS PHYSICAL PRIME", PAST "HIS GAME PRIME", "AGED" and "JUST COMMING BACK from BACK INJURY".

Still when one looks at BIRD`s STATS facing the BULLS from 1990 to 1992 they arent that Bad at All. Now when youy look at Birds STATS from 1984 to 1990 you will see BIRD SCHOOLING and GETTING TRIPLE-DOUBLE LIKE FIGURES:confusedshrug:.

SCOTTIE`S BEST SEASON DOESN`T EVEN COMPARE TO BIRDs CAREER AVERAGE STATS [/B]:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Each the Lakers and Celtics had 3 HOF players on their team rather you like it or not. The Celtics and Lakers also had the greatest role players in NBA History. Michael Cooper, Byron Scott, Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Bill Walton ('86), Bob McAdoo, A.C. Green. The Bulls role players don't even come close to that.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 50 greatest players of all time
Magic Johnson - 50 greatest players of all time
James Worthy - 50 greatest players of all time
Larry Bird - 50 greatest players of all time
Kevin McHale - 50 greatest players of all time

Look at the MVPs for the 90's. [B]EVERY PLAYER THAT WON AN MVP AWARD IN THE 90's WERE DRAFTED IN THE EARLY - MID 80's. (except David Robinson) AMAZING!!!!!![/B]

Teams were better in the 80's. [B]4 of the 10 greatest teams in NBA History played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers, & '89 Pistons.[/B] The NBA was watered down in the mid 90's thats a fact. Do you really think a Jazz team with Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell would of made the NBA Finals in the mid 80's?? NO!!! In the mid 80's you had 20 HOF players in the NBA with only 23 NBA Teams. That's an average a nearly 1 HOF player per team.

I never said and old Larry Bird was better than a early 90's Scottie Pippen. I just said Bird had pretty good games against Pippen in the early 90's. Please go back an re-read what i posted. Get some reading comprehensions.[/QUOTE]
yes they had three but like i said playing at a hof level lets look deeper in 85 kareem was playing at a hof 22 ppg and 8 boards but not yet worthy at 17 and 6. or look at it this way, if worthy didnt play another game after 85 he woulnt be in the hall.

and you said that an old larry bird destroyed scottie pippen and i showed that he didnt. all the other stuff you typed about 157 times and i defused them 157 times. please come with something better and different.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]yes they had three but like i said playing at a hof level lets look deeper in 85 kareem was playing at a hof 22 ppg and 8 boards but not yet worthy at 17 and 6. or look at it this way, if worthy didnt play another game after 85 he woulnt be in the hall.

and you said that an old larry bird destroyed scottie pippen and i showed that he didnt. all the other stuff you typed about 157 times and i defused them 157 times. please come with something better and different.[/QUOTE]

Lets look at 1986 Lakers. I know they didn't make the finals that year but their big 3 were playing at HOF level.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 23.4 PPG
Magic Johnson: 18.8 PPG. 12.6 APG
James Worthy: 20 PPG

Bottom line is the lakers and Celtics were DEEPER than those Bulls team and you know it. And look at the MVP's for the 90's. 9 out of the 10 MVPS in the 90's were drafted in the Golden mid 80's.