"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14337729]C'mon bro; Shaq may have been young, but he was definitely better than Pippen at least collectively for those three years.

He won 2 scoring titles* (I don't count Robinson's stat padding) in two of those three years. Dominated the Pacers in the ECF of '95, then went on to put up 28/13/6/3 on 60% against peak Hakeem. How many centers can ever claim they played that well against Hakeem, let alone in his peak?

Top 5 I disagree with, top 2 for one year I also disagree with, especially when Ewing led his team to a far better record putting up better numbers, after having beaten Pippen just the previous year.

But anyhow, if we agree it's fair, then that pretty much says it all. Don't tell the Bran stans though.

Btw I love how they all cheerlead but never have anything constructive to say :lol[/QUOTE]

Did you just literally try to rewrite history and give Shaq 2 scoring titles? :lol Obviously a 3ball alt, no one else is that insane. NEWSFLASH: Shaq had one. D-Rob dropped like 69 or whatever in the final game of the season to win the title over Shaq. Shaq has [U]one. [/U]

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14337958]Did you just literally try to rewrite history and give Shaq 2 scoring titles? :lol Obviously a 3ball alt, no one else is that insane. NEWSFLASH: Shaq had one. D-Rob dropped like 69 or whatever in the final game of the season to win the title over Shaq. Shaq has [U]one. [/U][/QUOTE]

It's cute when 18 year olds try to talk to us like we don't know what we're talking about.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14337962]It's cute when 18 year olds try to talk to us like we don't know what we're talking about.[/QUOTE]

You said Shaq had 2 scoring titles :lol

It's actually cute when 45 year olds try to talk to us like we don't know what we're talking about :lol

You lose.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14337729]C'mon bro; Shaq may have been young, but he was definitely better than Pippen at least collectively for those three years.

He won 2 scoring titles* (I don't count Robinson's stat padding) in two of those three years. Dominated the Pacers in the ECF of '95, then went on to put up 28/13/6/3 on 60% against peak Hakeem. How many centers can ever claim they played that well against Hakeem, let alone in his peak?

Top 5 I disagree with, top 2 for one year I also disagree with, especially when Ewing led his team to a far better record putting up better numbers, after having beaten Pippen just the previous year.

But anyhow, if we agree it's fair, then that pretty much says it all. Don't tell the Bran stans though.

Btw I love how they all cheerlead but never have anything constructive to say :lol[/QUOTE]

That's a big difference between me and you bro. I don't relegate a players worth to a playoff series. Shaq was dominant. But by the same token, so was Pippen. Just not in the same way Shaq was. Pippen would give you 20/8/6 while running the offense and anchor the defense, and still play great defense on his own assignment. And be effective.

Sometime i wish I could talk to people live because people can pick and choose what they wan to respond to. I'm gonna ask you again. Please answer these two questions.

1. Name another player at any time with Pippens skillset. Give you 20/8/6, and run the offense and anchor the defense?

2. Why do you think so many people felt the way they did about Scottie Pippen? In that people were saying he was top 5 to 2.

Bigs had more impact on the defensive end and Shaq was a much better scorer. This guy really thinks Pippen is in Shaq's league :facepalm .

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14337993]Bigs had more impact on the defensive end and Shaq was a much better scorer. This guy really thinks Pippen is in Shaq's league :facepalm .[/QUOTE]
In 95, the Bulls had the number 2 ranked defense. Their starters were BJ Armstrong, Pete Myers, Toni Kukoc, and Luc Longley. Oh and Mr Pippen. Now tell me, who was the Bulls defensive anchor in 95?

Of course you leave out Harper and not give credit to any other player on the team for playing D :facepalm . Pete Meyers started 14 games. You really think Pippen was better than Shaq in '95?

I don't think any perimeter defender ever anchored an elite defense. Not in that era. Certainly not in this era.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14338010]Of course you leave out Harper and not give credit to any other player on the team for playing D :facepalm . Pete Meyers started 14 games. You really think Pippen was better than Shaq in '95?[/QUOTE]

My bad. But Harper did only play 20 minutes a night.

[QUOTE=Carbine;14338014]I don't think any perimeter defender ever anchored an elite defense. Not in that era. Certainly not in this era.[/QUOTE]

Pippen did in 95. Him not winning DPOY was a travesty

[url]https://youtu.be/7SGe-vp_l8U[/url]

This is an example of impact. This is the equivalent to a 50 pt game. 35pts 9rbds, 6assts, 5 steals, and you shut down Barkley?

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14338022][url]https://youtu.be/7SGe-vp_l8U[/url]

This is an example of impact. This is the equivalent to a 50 pt game. 35pts 9rbds, 6assts, 5 steals, and you shut down Barkley?[/QUOTE]

Class is in session for Dr. 97 Bulls

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14337964]You said Shaq had 2 scoring titles :lol

It's actually cute when 45 year olds try to talk to us like we don't know what we're talking about :lol

You lose.[/QUOTE]

"You lose" lol. How mature. Clearly you didn't pay attention to the asterisk that I put next to my comment. I'm obviously aware that on paper, Robinson won the scoring title.

Shaq had him narrowly beaten and was set to win the scoring title. The Spurs had already clinched the playoffs and their seed. They played the Clippers who were a horrible team and Robinson proceeded to play 44 min in a blowout, scoring 71. It was a stat padding event that even Westbrook can't touch.

So yea, without context, Shaq had 1 scoring title out of the 3 years. The reality is that he had 2/3 if not for Robinson's stat padding.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14337985]That's a big difference between me and you bro. I don't relegate a players worth to a playoff series. Shaq was dominant. But by the same token, so was Pippen. Just not in the same way Shaq was. Pippen would give you 20/8/6 while running the offense and anchor the defense, and still play great defense on his own assignment. And be effective.

Sometime i wish I could talk to people live because people can pick and choose what they wan to respond to. I'm gonna ask you again. Please answer these two questions.

1. Name another player at any time with Pippens skillset. Give you 20/8/6, and run the offense and anchor the defense?

2. Why do you think so many people felt the way they did about Scottie Pippen? In that people were saying he was top 5 to 2.[/QUOTE]

Let's do it. I'm down to chop it up with guys like yourself, ImKobe, dankok, mehya, etc. I don't know how to PM people on this platform though. lol.

As for your question, then plenty of guys [I]could[/I] do it, but none of the elite guys (Jordan, GP, Kidd, Hill, Penny) would since it was largely a big man's game.

I'm not relegating Shaq's play to just one series. You're dismissing Shaq's ability on the basis of him being young. That's like saying we should disregard young Bird, Magic, LeBron, or MJ, because they were in their 3rd season of play, only. It doesn't work that way. Many players can hit the ground running.

We saw what Tim Duncan did in his first and second seasons. Was 1999 Duncan < any version of Pippen? C'mon.

I'm not denying that a lot of guys felt that way about Pippen. The praise is warranted, but it doesn't mean the evaluation is accurate, especially when collectively, he wasn't top 2. The point is that he was top 8. You say top 5. I disagree.

I haven't found a definitive reason as to why 1995 Pippen > 1995 Ewing, but please do share.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14338707]"You lose" lol. How mature. Clearly you didn't pay attention to the asterisk that I put next to my comment. I'm obviously aware that on paper, Robinson won the scoring title.

Shaq had him narrowly beaten and was set to win the scoring title. The Spurs had already clinched the playoffs and their seed. They played the Clippers who were a horrible team and Robinson proceeded to play 44 min in a blowout, scoring 71. It was a stat padding event that even Westbrook can't touch.

So yea, without context, Shaq had 1 scoring title out of the 3 years. The reality is that he had 2/3 if not for Robinson's stat padding.[/QUOTE]

I like this dude hit that nikka up and lay em down