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Wizards years are good sampling to show the world that jordan does not have good longevity at all.
Tim duncan, kareem, malone, leBron, hell even cp3 made all-nba teams at 37.
This is why LeBron will be remembered as the greatest. There just isn't anyone that can match Bron over 19 years and 18 all-nba teams.
Bron's 18 all-nba teams is probably the most unbreakable record in the nba.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648333]Wizards years are good sampling to show the world that jordan does not have good longevity at all.
Tim duncan, kareem, malone, leBron, hell even cp3 made all-nba teams at 37.
This is why LeBron will be remembered as the greatest. There just isn't anyone that can match Bron over 19 years and 18 all-nba teams.
Bron's 18 all-nba teams is probably the most unbreakable record in the nba.[/QUOTE]
Terrible argunent as per usual :roll:
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648329]Jordan didnt make any allnba teams those years.
Man I missed this beautiful thread.[/QUOTE]
Didn't make All-NBA as a washed up old man, yet led the Wizards to a better record than what Lebron, as an All-NBA player, could lead the Lakers to. Absolutely incredible.
[QUOTE=theman93;14648435]Didn't make All-NBA as a washed up old man, yet led the Wizards to a better record than what Lebron, as an All-NBA player, could lead the Lakers to. Absolutely incredible.[/QUOTE]
The voters saw Jordan's gameplay and refused to give him any all-nba teams. That means nobody thought he was even the 15th best player in the NBA at the time. No longevity.
Bron made all-nba team for the 18th year in a row in 2022. That means the voters believed he was amongst the top 15 players at age 37. And it was a tossup between Bron and Kevin Durant for 2nd team all-nba.
LeBron is an old ass 37 year old and it was between him and Kevin Durant for all-nba 2nd team. Jordan at that age was like a top 30 player.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14648423]Terrible argunent as per usual :roll:[/QUOTE]
Everything I wrote is correct.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648487]Everything I wrote is correct.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. You typed it.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648485]The voters saw Jordan's gameplay and refused to give him any all-nba teams. [B]That means nobody thought he was even the 15th best player in the NBA at the time[/B]. No longevity.
Bron made all-nba team for the 18th year in a row in 2022. That means the voters believed he was amongst the top 15 players at age 37. And it was a tossup between Bron and Kevin Durant for 2nd team all-nba.
LeBron is an old ass 37 year old and it was between him and Kevin Durant for all-nba 2nd team. Jordan at that age was like a top 30 player.[/QUOTE]
Tell me you don't know how All-NBA voting works without telling me you don't know how All-NBA voting works. :lol
Old, "barely top 30 player" washed up MJ with an even worse supporting cast still led the Wizards to a better record than what All-NBA Lebron led the Lakers to. Imagine that. Absolutely incredible.
If Jordan played good he would have won at least 1st 2nd or 3rd team all-nba. He didn't and got booted out of the league.
Last season it was a tossup between LeBron or Durant for all-nba 2nd team. Jordan is not getting any kind of comparisons like that on the Wizards.
Debate end.
Durant accumulated 276 voter points to Lebron's 169. But you go on about that "toss up". :lol
Anyways, washed up MJ who went on to get booted out of the league still led the Wizards to the better record than All-NBA Lebron with a worse supporting cast. His team value was simply just greater. Absolutely incredible.
[QUOTE=theman93;14648656]Durant accumulated 276 voter points to Lebron's 169. But you go on about that "toss up". :lol
Anyways, washed up MJ who went on to get booted out of the league still led the Wizards to the better record than All-NBA Lebron with a worse supporting cast. His team value was simply just greater. Absolutely incredible.[/QUOTE]
Jordan accumulated how many voter points? 0?
Absolutely incredible.
[quote][B][U][I]Wizards jordon was worse than nearly any all-time great who played until his late 30s[/I][/U][/B]
What all-time greats who played at age 37+ is Wizards jordon NOT worse than?
LeBron
Kareem
Karl Malone
Tim Duncan
are/were all clearly better.[/quote]
True.
I know it pains you that so many people think Bron is the GOAT. But that's a fact now. It can't be changed. Jordan no longer has undisputed GOAT claims.
Many people still think Jordan is the GOAT, that's fine. I think he is #2 which isn't even an insult.
[QUOTE=Baller789;14648608]Wrong. You typed it.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you admit everything I typed was correct. Everything here is factual:
Wizards years are good sampling to show the world that jordan does not have good longevity at all.
Tim duncan, kareem, malone, leBron, hell even cp3 made all-nba teams at 37.
This is why LeBron will be remembered as the greatest. There just isn't anyone that can match Bron over 19 years and 18 all-nba teams.
Bron's 18 all-nba teams is probably the most unbreakable record in the nba.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648922]Jordan accumulated how many voter points? 0?
Absolutely incredible.[/QUOTE]
0 voter points and yet still led the Wizards to a better record than Lebron who accumulated 169 voter points. So yes, you are right it is absolutely incredible. :applause:
[QUOTE=theman93;14648935]0 voter points and yet still led the Wizards to a better record than Lebron who accumulated 169 voter points. So yes, you are right it is absolutely incredible. :applause:[/QUOTE]
169 > 0. All-nba is an individual award.
You switch to team accomplishments when comparing individual players. Like championships are also team accomplishments.
Individually, Bron is just superior.
Michael Jordan at 37: 22/5/5 on 41%
Bron at 37: 30/8/6 on 52%
Bron is being offered a max deal right now at 37 by the Lakers. Nobody was offering Jordan the max.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14648936]169 > 0. All-nba is an individual award.
You switch to team accomplishments when comparing individual players. Like championships are also team accomplishments.
Individually, Bron is just superior.[/QUOTE]
In case you need to be reminded, this thread was a comparison of better/worse than - which extends beyond just individual performance. It's also inclusive to which individual was better at team elevation. To which washed up Wizards jordon was greater at elevating his team than All-NBA super star Lebron was with the better supporting cast. Absolute bonkers.