80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]A Players Prime Goes from 22 to 32 at most. Bird from 1990 to 1992 was 33 to 35 years old. That is "WAY PAST HIS PHYSICAL PRIME", PAST "HIS GAME PRIME", "AGED" and "JUST COMMING BACK from BACK INJURY".

Still when one looks at BIRD`s STATS facing the BULLS from 1990 to 1992 they arent that Bad at All. Now when youy look at Birds STATS from 1984 to 1990 you will see BIRD SCHOOLING and GETTING TRIPLE-DOUBLE LIKE FIGURES:confusedshrug:.

SCOTTIE`S BEST SEASON DOESN`T EVEN COMPARE TO BIRDs CAREER AVERAGE STATS [/B]:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

and once again look at pace you idiot. i believe me and 87 had this discussion before and i showed them that adjusted for pace pippen as a second option not a first option like bird, would average about 24-25 ppg 8-10 boards and 6-7 ast. along with being one of the greatest defensive players ever.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]and once again look at pace you idiot. i believe me and 87 had this discussion before and i showed them that adjusted for pace pippen as a second option not a first option like bird, would average about 24-25 ppg 8-10 boards and 6-7 ast. along with being one of the greatest defensive players ever.[/QUOTE]

Scottie Pippen is not on Bird's level.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Lets look at 1986 Lakers. I know they didn't make the finals that year but their big 3 were playing at HOF level.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 23.4 PPG
Magic Johnson: 18.8 PPG. 12.6 APG
James Worthy: 20 PPG

Bottom line is the lakers and Celtics were DEEPER than those Bulls team and you know it. And look at the MVP's for the 90's. 9 out of the 10 MVPS in the 90's were drafted in the Golden mid 80's.[/QUOTE]
first, they shouldnt be in the discussion because they didnt get in the finals
second every bench player on the celtics and lakers were career journeymen at least kukoc was an olympian and regarded as the best player in europe and was a 20 ppg scorer in atlanta and chicago after 98. and won the sixth man award. brian williams was the best player on the clippers and one of the best players in detroit and held his own against the best collection of centers ever. steve kerr is the all-time leader in 3pt shooting and i believe has 2 3pt shootong titles and is an integral part of 5 championships. and regared as one of the best jumpshooters in the clutch ever. the bulls had an accomplished bench.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Scottie Pippen is not on Bird's level.[/QUOTE]
no but hes very close especially to be a second fiddle player in a slower pace

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]first, they shouldnt be in the discussion because they didnt get in the finals[/B]
[B]second every bench player on the celtics and lakers were career journeymen at least kukoc was an olympian and regarded as the best player in europe and was a 20 ppg scorer in atlanta and chicago after 98.[/B] and won the sixth man award. brian williams was the best player on the clippers and one of the best players in detroit and held his own against the best collection of centers ever. steve kerr is the all-time leader in 3pt shooting and i believe has 2 3pt shootong titles and is an integral part of 5 championships. and regared as one of the best jumpshooters in the clutch ever. the bulls had an accomplished bench.[/QUOTE]

Just because they didn't make the Finals doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. They still had 3 HOFers.:roll:

I'm sorry but the Celtics and Lakers bench players were former All stars, DPOY, and former MVPs.

Kevin McHale: Celtics 6th man 1981-1984. HOF player
Michael Cooper: 1987 DPOY
Bob McAdoo: 5 time all star. 1975 NBA MVP. HOF
Mychal Thompson: 1st pick of the 1978 NBA Draft. 20/10 player in '82.
Bill Walton: 1978 NBA MVP. 1986 Sixth Man. HOF
Scott Wedman: 1 time NBA All Star

To even compare guys like Tonu Kukoc, Steve Kerr, and Brian Williams to the Celtics-Lakers bench is laughable. :roll:

Kerr, Williams, and Kukoc were never NBA All Stars.

That was seriously one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]The 1986 Celtics Could Play [U]BOTH Eastern Style and Western Running Style [/U] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]but it JUST SO HAPPENS that the Celtics where the GREATEST HALFCOURT/SLOW PACE TEAM EVER with Great Spot up Shooters and Passers from the Outside, including Bird[/COLOR].

C: PARISH = MissMatch for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

CF: WALTON = Miss Match for Any Bulls Center:hammerhead:

PF: McHALE= Could Only Be Contend for Rebounds but usually Offensive because if McHale would School the Whole Bulls Team 1 on 1 in the Post:D

SG/SF/PG: Bird= Only Battle in the Court with Pippen. Bird at age 27 Would Outscore Pippen, Out Rebound Pippen and Out Assist Pippen. Bird would have tough time but Pippen would have it even tougher because he would have to Guard PRIME BIRD, CREATE for his INEFFICIENT FRONTLINE and BE THE SECOND SCORING THREAT: TOO MUCH LOAD!:hammerhead:

PG/SG: Jordan would win this match but would not prevent DJ from 1stly CREATING & ASSISTING = BIRD (Great Combination), McHALE or PARISH. DJ would Slow the Pace Down and then Ainge would Come in to make Jordan Run

So here it is:

[COLOR="darkgreen"][U]You have [I]3 POSITIONS TOTALLY DOMINATED [/I][/U]by the CELTICS (C, CF and PF)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]You have [U]1 POSITION DOMINATED BY THE CELTICS (SF-SG/PG-SF)[/U] in the Bird vs Pip, which Bird would eventually win at his PRIME and yes knowing that Bird was like MAGIC (could make temates much better than Pippen or Jordan)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Red"]Finally, you [U]only have 1 POSITION DOMINATED by the BULLS (PG/SG)[/U][/COLOR] in the [COLOR="DarkGreen"]DJ[/COLOR] vs [COLOR="Red"]JORDAN[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]CELTICS 6,[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]BULLS 2[/COLOR]. And Im being Nice :rolleyes:

If you don`t believe me Just go Watch the 2008 NBA FINALS: CELTICS VS LAKERS finals Again.

The CELTICS FRONTLINE Schooled The Lakers Ineffective FRONTLINE: DEFENSIVELY, REBOUNDING and SCORING. Now matter how good Bryant played or Sasha Shot or his BACKCOURT tried it was NO CONTEST.

But in this Case the BULLS Would have to FACE: "PARISH-McHALE WALTON "

(not just Garnett offensively in the Frontline) and yes--- 27 year old BIRD!

LARRY BIRD IN HIS PRIME...WHOM COULD NOT ONLY SCORE, SHOOT AND REBOUND BUT WAS THE GREATEST PASSING FORWARD EVER! AND YES COULD MAKE HIS TEAMATES MUCH BETTER than JORDAN or PIPPEN:confusedshrug:

The Bulls would only have 2 Scoring Threats: Jordan ofcourse and Pippen (whom would have too much LOAD to Carry Guarding Bird, Creating and being the SECOND SCORING THREAT). If the Bulls put in Kukoc to Increase the Frontline Scoring they would also Diminish the Bulls contendinf DEFENSE in the Frontline so the CELTICS would SCHOOL even MORE in THE POST/FRONTLINE!

NO CONTEST[/B][/QUOTE]

The reason why the Celtics used that frontline against the Rockets was to take away the Rockets frontline advantage and that was going to give them the best chance of winning. It's the same reason the Lakers traded for Mychal Thompson the next year to take away the Rockets frontline advantage. Most of the Celtics games they played in this was not their typical lineup. All 5 starters averaged over 30 minutes per game. Walton was at 19.3 minutes per game, Jerry Sichting averaged more minutes than Walton that year. Lastly Larry Bird turned 27 in 1983 he was not 27 in 1986.

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]no but hes very close[/B] especially to be a second fiddle player in a slower pace[/QUOTE]

Pippen isnt "very close" to Bird. Larry Bird is one of the top 3 greatest players in NBA History. Some argue Pippen isn't even on the top 20 players in NBA History.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Pippen isnt "very close" to Bird. Larry Bird is one of the top 3 greatest players in NBA History. Some argue Pippen isn't even on the top 20 players in NBA History.[/QUOTE]

Larry Bird is top 10 but he isn't top 3. Scottie Pippen isn't top 20 nor top 30.

LOL @ Pippen being "very close" to Bird. :oldlol: There are only about 7-8 players in history who you could say that about, and Pippen is not only not one of them, he's not anywhere near the conversation.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Larry Bird is top 10 but he isn't top 3. Scottie Pippen isn't top 20 nor top 30.[/QUOTE]

I'd put him in the top 5 with MJ, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem. And he is without a doubt the greatest SF of all time.

Pippen on the other hand might not be a top 5 SF. I have Bird, Havlicek, Barry, Baylor, and Erving ahead of Pippen.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]The reason why the Celtics used that frontline against the Rockets was to take away the Rockets frontline advantage and that was going to give them the best chance of winning. It's the same reason the Lakers traded for Mychal Thompson the next year to take away the Rockets frontline advantage. Most of the Celtics games they played in this was not their typical lineup. All 5 starters averaged over 30 minutes per game. Walton was at 19.3 minutes per game, Jerry Sichting averaged more minutes than Walton that year. Lastly Larry Bird turned 27 in 1983 he was not 27 in 1986.[/QUOTE]

[B]So whats the problem?:rolleyes: That is what coaching a Team is All About. As the 1986 Celtics did with the Rockets. They adjusted their Line According to the Team they Faced. That happens in Soccer and probaly Football, Hockey ALL TEAM SPORTS. You put the Line-Ups According to the Style, Strengths and Weaknesses of you enemy.

If they faced a 1996 Bulls they would put that FRONTCOURT Line Up to take advantage of that WEAK SMALL FRONTLINE that the Bulls had in 1996 . A Line Up Poor in Scoring Abilities: Wennington/Longley, Rodman and who ever was there!

Obviously you could not put in Toni Kukoc as a starter in SF (against the Celtics) because he would be destroyed by McHale or Walton in Rebounds, Scoring and FG% at an even higher rate and this would force the Bulls to have a Thinner Line Up in the Post and Weaker Defensive Line Up as Team.:hammerhead:. Kevin Mchale was a 6`10 PF with a 7.2 ft ARM RANGE WITH POST MOVES OUT OF THIS PLANET... that needed 7`0 ft Center-Forwards to Come in to Try to Stop him from Scoring in the Post. And guess what? 17-19 PPG in 32 Minuts of Play Only with a 56-60.4% FG% for a Whole Career means they rearly could Stop him from Scoring :oldlol: .

Bird was 29 in 1986 so that still PRIME TIME:) Check out his stat averages for the 1985-86 Season and 1986 Play-Offs.:oldlol:

The Bulls would obviously try to get their advantage in The FRONTCOURT with Jordan v.s DJ/Ainge . Jordan would definetly shut them from getting in close to the Paint but Who Really Cares? :confusedshrug: They would JUST KEEP ON THROWING in PASSES to CELTICS FRONT-LINE and Bird himself (none of These Could be Stopped). Jordan would have to work hard because DJ was witty and would slow him in the Post and Ainge was fast and could shoot so he would have to run when Ainge comes In.

Bird was a Man that could Play SG-SF and even PF in his Prime and [U]in that Slow Pace Half Court Style which the Bulls WOULD BE FORCE TO PLAY, Larry would just retreat back and force Pippen to Take Shots fron a Distance = Not Pippen`s especiallity[/U].

Bird would not be Stopped from Scoring from the Outside, would School Pippen if he Posted Up, He Would Not Be Stopped from Making his Teamats Better either through Passing, Awareness and he would Definetly not be Outrebounded by Pippen. Bird would also escape from the Pick and Rolls and SCORE Or FEED in PASSES to his FRONTLINE: A Frontline which would School the Bulls Frontline. And let me remined that you are not talking about Any Forward, You Are Talking About the GREATEST PASSING FORWARD EVER, capable of Scoring 29.9 PPG, Rebounding 14 RPG and yes passing 8.2 APG in the Clutch Play-Offs!.

I would like to Remined You that Mr Walton was capable even Past His Prime in 1985-86 to get 14 PPG at 56.2% FG and 12.7 RPG per 36 Minutes of Play. And if he could go Against Hakeem and Samson he would even easier go up Against Slower and Less Talented Wennington/Longley or who ever PF-Center they put.

Walton was one of the Greast Fundamental and PASSING CENTERS Ever. He could even Make his Teamates Better from that Position Dishing out for AINGE and DJ to Shoot for Open Shots and even in Great Team Work along BIRD-McHALE and PARISH.

And yes with not HAKEEM and Not SAMSON GUARDING HIM...He would Have it WAY EASIER TO SCORE HIMSELF.

[U]The Bulls would suffer what the Lakers suffered rignt now in the 2008 NBA FINALS. Now matter how Bryant, Fisher and Sasha played They Suffered

The Destruction of their FRONTLINE in SCORING, REBOUNDING, FG% and FOUL TROUBLE butl...Let me remined the the BACKCOURT you`d have would be: BIRD-AINGE-DJ :eek: [/U]

No Contest!:violin: [/B]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]and once again look at pace you idiot. i believe me and 87 had this discussion before and i showed them that adjusted for pace pippen as a second option not a first option like bird, would average about 24-25 ppg 8-10 boards and 6-7 ast. along with being one of the greatest defensive players ever.[/QUOTE]

[B]Scottie would TRY TO BE A SECOND SCORING OPTION from the PG because there is NO TALENT in the BULLS FRONT LINE.

Poor PippeN would have to Play PG for Kerr/PaXon (they would no contest for DJ/Ainge! and if they where playing, the Bulls would have AN EVEN WAKER FRONTLINE because they would have to Force PIPPEN to Play at te SF Position and the Rebounding and Post Defense would Weaken and Yes Celtics would have an even Higher Height Advantage!!!).

He would have to try to make his FRONTLINE composed of RODMAN, WENNINGTON/LONGLEY/ KUKOC etc try TRY TO SCORE over a WAY SUPERIOR CELTICS FRONTLINE in SCORING, REBOUNDING, DEFENSE AND FG%.

Too much Load for Pippen. He would have to 1st Create, then 2nd Be the Second Leading Socrer (Jordan would obviously Dominate the Scoring Contest against DJ/Ainge) and MR PIPPEN would ALSO have to GUARD a 29 Year Old Bird.

Not the Bird he Guarded between Ages 32 to 34 (1988 to 1991) Whome he Failed Miserably to Guard. Look at the Stat Sheets and Look at the Videos in Youtube. Bird got to Score on Him High 30s, over 12 rebounds and like 8 Assits per Game plus Hit 2 Game Winning Shots: One on Jordan-Pippen`s face and also another CLUTCH SHOT in 1990-91 to Beat the Bulls agains GRANT.

In those Games BIRD was Guarded by Both GRANT and PIPPEN and they could not STOP HIM FROM SCHOOLING. So imagine Bird not between 32 to 35 years old (and after his Back Inury in 1989) but Bird in 1986 at age 29!!!!!!!!


No Contest :confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]So whats the problem?:rolleyes: That is what coaching a Team is All About. As the 1986 Celtics did with the Rockets. They adjusted their Line According to the Team they Faced. That happens in Soccer and probaly Football, Hockey all Team Sports. You put the Line-Ups According to the Style, Strengths and Weaknesses of you enemy.

If they faced a 1996 Bulls they would put that FRONCOURT Line Up to take advantage of that WEAK SMALL FRONTLINE that the Bulls had . A Line Up Poor in Scoring Abilities: Wennington/Longley, Rodman and who ever was there!

Obviously you could not put in Toni Kukoc as a starter in SF (against the Celtics) because he would be destroyed by McHale or Walton in Rebounds, Scoring and FG% .:hammerhead:. Kevin Mchale was a 6`10 PF with a 7.2 ft ARM RANGE WITH POST MOVES OUT OF THIS PLANET... that needed 7`0 ft Center-Forwards to Com in to Try to Stop him from Scoring in the Post. And guess what? 17-19 PPG in 32 Minuts of Play Only with a 56-60.4% FG%, means they rearly could Stop him from Scoring :oldlol: .

Bird was 29 in 1986 so that still PRIME TIME:) Check out his stat averages for the 1985-86 Season and 1986 Play-Offs.:oldlol:

The Bulls would obviously try to get their advantage in The FRONTCOURT with Jordan v.s DJ/Ainge . Jordan would definetly shut them from getting in close to the Paint but Who Really Cares? :confusedshrug: Theyd shut through in PASSES to CELTICS Front-Line and Bird himself. Jordan would have to work hard because DJ was witty and would slow him in the Post and Ainge was fast and could shoot so he would have to run when Ainge comes In.

Bird was a Man that could Play SG-SF and even PF in his Prime. And in that Slow Pace which the Bulls would be forced to Play he would just retreat and force Pippen to Take Shots fron a Distance = not Pippens especiallity. Bird would not be Stopped from Scoring from the outside or Making his Teamats Better. He would also escape from the Pick and Rolls and SCORE Or FEED in PASSES to his FRONTLINE: which would School the Bulls Frontline. And you are not talking abou Any Forward, You Are Talking About the GREATEST PASSING FORWARD, capable for Scoring 29.9 PPG, Rebounding 14 RPG and yes passing 8.2 APG in the Clutch Play-Offs.

I would like to Remined You that Mr Walton was capable even Past His Prime in 1985-86 to get 14 PPG at 56.2% FG and 12.7 RPG per 36 Minutes of Play. And if he could go Against Hakeem and Samson he would even easier to up Against Wennington/Longley or who ever PF-Center they put. Walton was one of the Greast Fundamental and PASSING CENTERS Ever. He could even Make his Teamates Better from that Position Dishing out for AINGE and DJ to Shoot for Open Shots and even in Great Team Work along BIRD-McHALE and PARISH.

The Bulls would suffer what the Lakers suffered rignt now in the 2008 NBA FINALS. Now matter how Bryant, Fisher and Sasha played They Suffered

The Destruction of their FRONTLINE in SCORING, REBOUNDING, FG% and FOUL TROUBLE butl...Let me remined the the BACKCOURT you`d have would be: BIRD-AINGE-DJ :eek:

No Contest!:violin: [/B][/QUOTE]

What you are saying makes no sense. Every team they played against was a team who they had a better frontcourt then and they never used this lineup except for the Rockets who's frontcourt was almost as good as their own and the Rockets were better at PF and C. The Celtics starters averaged more than 30 minutes a game and Sichting played more than Walton. I have the Celtics '86 Finals series on DVD and have been watching it heavily, their most used lineup was Ainge, Johnson, Bird, McHale and Parish. They were a team heavily reliant on their starters.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]What you are saying makes no sense. Every team they played against was a team who they had a better frontcourt then and they never used this lineup except for the Rockets who's frontcourt was almost as good as their own and the Rockets were better at PF and C. The Celtics starters averaged more than 30 minutes a game and Sichting played more than Walton. I have the Celtics '86 Finals series on DVD and have been watching it heavily, their most used lineup was Ainge, Johnson, Bird, McHale and Parish. They were a team heavily reliant on their starters.[/QUOTE]

[B]And? You are saying they would not use that Line Against the Bulls if it was 1986 Celtics vs 1996 Bulls? The Celtics where forced to Put that Line-Up to SLOW DOWN Hakeeem and Samson which they Succeeded but let me remined you: THEY ALSO SUCCEEDED in DESTROYING the ROCKETS BACKCOURT.:hammerhead: with EFFICIENT Base Linne Shooting with DJ, AINGE, BIRD and WEDMAN

Yes they would use that Line Up :rolleyes:. [U]The Celtics would not try to face the Bulls STRENGTH, Which is the FRONTCOURT: a Faster, more Athletic and Superior in Scoring if the Bulls they decide to put Pippen/Harper and Jordan. They would not Fall in to their GAME OF SUPERIOR BACKOURT of 2 Players [/U].:no:

[U]They would LOOK FOR THE BULLS WEAKNESS which is obviously:

The BULLS 3 FRONTLINE OF (F-PF/C-F AND C) = Which HAS NO SCORING POSSIBILITIES without Kukoc or Pippen:[/U] :hammerhead:

But here is the BULLS Trouble. What would Happen if the Bulls put in Pippen or Kukoc in the Frontline as SFs for Improoving their Scoring Possibilites in the Frontline? The Following:

1-If they use Pippen/Kucok in the FRONTLINE. They would [U]WEAKEN THEIR BACKCOURT CREATIVITY and DEFENSE (in Pippens case) which would Make it Easier for DJ/AINGE and BIRD to SCORE.:hammerhead: [/U]

By Putting in PIPPEn or Kukoc at the SF Position they Not Only Would Weaken their BACKCOURT CREATIVITY, ASSISTING AND SCORING POSSIBILITIES but also they would: [U]WEAKEN their FRONTLINE DEFENSE[/U]. :hammerhead:

Pip was GREAT BASE LINE and 1 on 1 DEFENDER but NOT A GREAT POST DEFNDER AGAINST BIGGER TALLER GUYS (Bird destroyed him in the Post at ages 32 to 34). And Kukoc whom although was Taller at 6`11 ft was an EVEN WEAKER POST DEFENDER. :hammerhead:

It would not be Possilbe for the Bulls to Defend the FRONT LINE without:

ATLEAST 2 CENTER-FORWARD LIKE DUDES of 6-10 ft Plus Presence :confusedshrug: AND ONE VERY STRONG 1 on 1 DEFENDER POWERFORWARD. Which is only RODMAN.

RODMAN will TRY to CONTEND McHALE to Stay Away from the Post (where he has never been succesful) but by doing so he would [U]furthen hismelf from THE REBOUND AREA: Which Would then be an [I]AREA FREE for the domination of PARISH AND WALTON/Kite [/I]Whom Already Dominate the PAINT in SCORING and DEFENDING but NOW THEY WOULD HAVE IT EVEN MOR EASIER IN REBOUNDING (without RODMAN in the Post trying to Stop McHale from Getting Close).[/U].

This would also make it for BIRD to Run in And Get Easier Rebounds. A Player Capable of Averaging 9-10 RPG or more in 1986.

2-Then Again by Putting Pippen at the SF Position, already LOSSING their CREATIVE GAME IN THE FRONTCOUR AND OFCOURSE DEFENSIVE GAME they [U]would be forced to Put in PAXON or KERR to Play at the PG Position. Any one of these would have major trouble trying to Guard a PRIME AINGE and PRIME DJ whom where not Only TALLER but BETTER DEFENDERS whom would Make it Hard not Only for KERR/PAXON to SHOOT but Also to PASS[/U]

If KERR/PAXON would Try Get Off Shots from PICK and ROLLS they would hardly be succesfull because they would be Guarded by SUPERIOR TALLER and STRONGER DEFENDERS in DJ/AINGE and yes the Celtics would have WALTON-PARSIH and McHALE fighting off those Picks WITH the WEAKER BULLS FRONTLINE.

That same Scheme would happen in the Bulls Court.wwhen the Celtics go for the Score, the would have; PARISH/McHALE/WALTON OR KITE SETTING UP THE PICK AND ROLLS but 6`6 1/2 ft Rodman pretty much WOULD BE CONSUMED & CONCENTRATED in STOPING McHALE and NOT LETTING HIM the POST (AWAY from RODMAN`s REBOUNDING AREA). This would make it EASY FOR BIRD to REBOUND and ASSIST PARISH/WALTON-KITE for EASY BASKETS and ocourse with PAXON/KERR playing the PG position, the Picks would help the FASTER, STRONER AND TALLER AINGE/DJ Go on to the Basket for EASIER HIGHER PERCENTAGE SHOTS.

3- IF they Go with the Harper PG and Jordan SG. Then they would Dominate the BACKOURT as if Pippen was there but it would only be PIPPEN or RODMAN (6`6 1/2 ft and 6`7 ft) in the FRONTLINE.

[U]THAT IS WAY TO SMALL TO CONTEND THE CELTICS BIG 3 and ofcourse THEIR BIG LINE UP with PARISH/McHALE and WALTON[/U]

[U]If they bench RODMAN away. They would be Loosing the only GREAT 1 on 1 DEFENDING PERSON in the POST to Guard McHALE and also the ONLY ONE CAPABLE of REBOUNDING OVER THE BIG 3.[/U]

[U]If They sit PIPPEN. Then they WOULD LOOSE THEIR SCORING ABILITIES in the FRONTLINE![/U]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]See? Its a DOUBLE EDGE SWORD!!![/COLOR]

There is No Way the Bulls can Beat the 1986 CELTICS and Their TALL LINE UP and BIG 3-4 with PARISH at CENTER, WALTON as a 2 Center Piece POINT CF, McHALE at PF as the Second Focal Scoring Point, BIRD at mix of SG/SF loose to Create (Assit, Rebound) and Score from both Inside or Outside, Post and Penetrate...Which the Celtics would use = FORCING THE BULLS TO PLAY THEIR CELTICS HALFCOURT/POST UP SLOW PACE GAME

Not Falling in to the BULLS SUPERIOR BACKCOURT GAME.

Lesson:

[COLOR="Red"]Yes a GREAT BACKOURT, Will ALWAYS BEAT AN AVERAGE MEDIOCRE OFFENSIVE FRONTLINE (which is what the Bulls faced in the 90s).[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Indigo"]A GREAT BACKCOURT AND A GREAT SCORING FRONTLINE can Beat Almost Anybody. Yes the 1980s LAKERS![/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]A GREAT FRONTLINE (BIG 3) will ALWAYS BEAT A GREAT BACKCOURT (2)

A GREAT SLOW PACE/POST UP/HIGH SCORING FG% FRONTLINE TEAM, WILL ALWAYS BEAT A GREAT BACKCOURT...

...Proof: What Just Happened in the 2008 NBA FINALS that we Just Saw.[/COLOR]:hammerhead:

And Let me Remined you that NOT ONLY WOULD THE CELTICS HAVE A SUPERIOR FRONTELINE AND BIG 3 with PARISH/McHALE/WALTON-KITE and BIRD but also a Tough BACKCOURT with DJ-AINGE and BIRD HIMSELF ALTERNATING the SG and SF Position when they PUT IN THEIR TALL LINE UP OF:

PARISH 7`0 FT (15-19 PPG 55-58% FG, 10-12 RPG, 2.5 BPG)

McHALE 6`10 ft POST SCORING MASTER (19-26 PPG 57-60% FG, 8-9 RPG, 2-2.5 BPG)

WALTON 6`11 POINT-CENTER-FORWARD (capable still of getting 15 ppg, 10 rpg. He averaged 7.6 PPG, 6.8 RPG and 1.3 BPG [U]in JUST 19 MPG in 85-86[/U])

KITE 6-11 ft and 250 lbs CF (BAD WHITE BOY: DEFENDER AND REBOUNDER whom would Chalange RODMAN in parts of the Game)

Who Would be Alternating that SG and SF Position?

BIRD = GREATEST SMALLFORWARD EVER. Yes, A TRIPLE DOUBLE MAN capable of putting these numbers in the Play-Offs = 25/30 PPG, 10-14 RPG and 6-8 ASPG at age 29 before His Back Problems (1989) and WAS THE THE CLUTCHES PERFOMER EVER, ALONG WITH MAGIC. THE 2 PLAYERS CAPABLE OF MAKING THEIR TEAMATEST BETTER THAN ANY

NO CONTEST :confusedshrug: [/B]

[B]1980s NBA Rules:rockon: :cheers: [/B]

[B]1986 BOSTON CELTICS = GREATEST TEAM EVER. AND THEIR BIG LINE UP[/B]

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[B]1980s LAKERS. THE GREATEST RUNNING TEAM EVER. BACK COURT AND FRONT COURT[/B]

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[B]THE REAL BIG 3[/B]

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[B]THE REAL TWIN TOWERS[/B]

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