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[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]If you jump of your non pivot foot its like you take an extra step. Whats so hard to understand?
It doesnt say in the rule book that you have to jump of your pivot foot but thats because they already mention that you can't take more than 2 steps. Jumping of your non pivot will make it 3 steps.[/QUOTE]
Man up and admit you were wrong, scrub.
i don't even know what it means to "change pivots". I never heard of that before.
[QUOTE=cteach111]i don't even know what it means to "change pivots". I never heard of that before.[/QUOTE]Yeah technically you don't change pivot, you just travel.
Travel:
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/1106280538585913.gif[/img]
What he does is pick up his dribble and plant his pivot (1) as his first step. He pivots, then when he lifts his pivot foot, the non-pivot foot becomes the second step (2). So far according to the rule, everything is fine as long as he passes or shoot now.
Since he plants his original pivot back down with the ball still in his hands, he took his third step (3). He should be called for a travel right there. When he spins around and jumps he took a fourth step (4).
Legal play: 2 steps
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That's the way I would logically count the steps. If somebody has another interpretation.
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[QUOTE=catch24]Man up and admit you were wrong, scrub.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that Loki wouldn't admit he was wrong. Shut him down in this thread. Told him from first sight that it was legit and explained exactly why 15 pages ago. Luckily, he refused the avy the bet.:roll:
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[QUOTE=Phong]If you look at the [I]Guideline For Officials[/I] video it specifically says that the play is legal as long as the ball is released before landing on the pivot foot again.
Here's a video of the move taught a Ganon Baker's academy:
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83552NrHUwY[/url]
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That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed.
Notice the pivot foot and the off foot always leave the floor simultaneously.
[IMG]http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7568/pippenlowblock4.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6861/pippenlowblock2.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Phong][img]http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081408367828.gif[/img] [img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628081525982805.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now. This is a freakin league that lets players get away with 3-4 steps these days. I wouldn't be surprised if trainers just said **** it and adapted :oldlol:
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now. This is a freakin league that lets players get away with 3-4 steps these days. I wouldn't be surprised if trainers just said **** it and adapted :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
It is allowed in Euroleague as well, many players from Europe even struggle with travelling when coming to the NBA.
I love threads like these bc they expose the level of knowledge posters have.
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed. [/QUOTE]Then show me evidences that you must jump off two feet. Whether it's written in the rule book, plays where a travel is called, videos where the move is explained or else. So far the only thing you have done is say that you've always been taught this or that.
Now clarify this for me. Since the first foot you plant after picking up your dribble is your pivot foot and your first step, and you're allowed two steps, why do you keep talking about extra steps and switching pivot? How do you count the steps?
That move is basically a running layup with extra "jab moves" in between the two steps.
Notice how the rule book says the "pivot foot may be lifted" and not "you must jump off the pivot foot for a shot attempt".
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]Notice the pivot foot and the off foot always leave the floor simultaneously. [/QUOTE]And I can show you many videos where it's not the case. That doesn't prove anything.
Btw, your third gif he jumps off one foot.
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628065916979822.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]Maybe they're using Stern's new rules now.[/QUOTE]The move is also legal in international competitions.
Stern has nothing to do with this. I guess Stern has become the guy in the shadows that is blamed for everything that goes against your own belief.
[QUOTE=JM720][IMG]http://ploader.net/files/9bcdd6a42d39be6841c40656c1c4f61e.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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THIS IS ART
I haven't read through the whole thread, but good stuff.
Thanks for posting.
Mooooooooooooore GIFS
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how the fck does he stop so fast