Michael Jordan memo to Kobe Bryant:

[QUOTE=DatAsh]The more relevant discussion with regards to this thread is prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe, and there is certainly a >10% in overall impact there.[/QUOTE]

You can make the argument that there is >10% difference even with prime Kobe. It's hard to use percentages here, but in terms of overall efficiency, leadership, intangibles, prime Kobe was probably 85-90% percent the player prime Jordan was. And the 90% high-end of the spectrum would be on those special nights when Kobe is firing on all cylinders.

[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]You can make the argument that there is >10% difference even with prime Kobe. It's hard to use percentages here, but in terms of overall efficiency, leadership, intangibles, prime Kobe was probably 85-90% percent the player prime Jordan was. And the 90% high-end of the spectrum would be on those special nights when Kobe is firing on all cylinders.[/QUOTE]

I agree that it's hard, and probably wrong to use a % here.

[QUOTE=DatAsh]You'd have to be pretty dense to think that 20ppg on 44.5% is the least efficient >20ppg season of all time.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I didn't reference that version of Jordan. That's 2003 Jordan.

I'm talking about 2002 Jordan and I'm pretty sure rhythmic

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Dude, I didn't reference that version of Jordan. That's 2003 Jordan.

I'm talking about 2002 Jordan and I'm pretty sure rhythmic

[QUOTE=DatAsh]The dense comment wasn't aimed at you. Sorry if you took it that way[/QUOTE]

Nah, none taken, but I actually didn't see (or just didn't look back far enough) the other part of that quote.

Thanks for noting that. :cheers:

Makes sense to me now.

[QUOTE=TheMan]Alphawolf24 had easily the two dumbest remarks in this thread with these two doozies...

Kobe=MJ- come on, prime MJ vs old ass Kobe?:roll: prime MJ>>>prime Kobe

"Drexler is basically a worse Danny Granger".-:facepalm

Basketball isn't your fort

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- Granger and Drexler are very sismilar...Both players can give you 20 - 25 PPG 4AST 4REB..I would IMO take Granger over Drexler as Granger can actually dribble without looking at the ground.
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:roll: :roll: :roll:

Please tell me you aren't being serious.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]this *****.....






- [B][U]Kobe is nearly identitical to Mj in all aspects of basketball...I was simply saying similar players similar roles...the Gap in marginal stats in minimal at best..[/U][/B]

get over it.


- Granger and Drexler are very sismilar...Both players can give you 20 - 25 PPG 4AST 4REB..I would IMO take Granger over Drexler as Granger can actually dribble without looking at the ground.


I watched Glyde's whole career.....played on some decent teams , Quit and won as a Ring Chaser....don't know why comparing him to Granger is bad?







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[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Early 90's Jordan is the greatest perimeter player to ever play the game. Only other wing players close to him are Magic and Bird. Those three are in a class of their own when it comes to perimeter players. Prime Kobe isn't even as good as Wizards Jordan. Wizards Jordan was a smarter scorer/player, better passer, better rebounder, and better team leader. He was still clutch as hell too.

Kobe is an overrated piece of sh*t who would be no better than Mitch Richmond if he played in the 90's. The p*ssy cries to the refs every time someone so much as looks at him. Physical defenses take him out of the game and shut him completely down as history has shown us(Pistons, Celtics, hell even OKC). He's nothing more than a low efficient chucker who forced his way out of a small market team on draft night to play with one of the most dominant players of all time. He was carried to three straight championships, and then tried his best to chuck his team out of another if it weren't for Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher making big plays against the Celtics in 2010.

Kobe does NOTHING better than Jordan, NOTHING. Oh wait, he does, he's better at chucking low percentage shots, quitting during playoff series', and alienating his teammates. He's a front runner who quits when his team is behind(see 06 vs Phoenix, 08 vs Boston, 11 vs Dallas).

Dream Team>>>>>>>>2012 Team. I'd love to see Jordan/Pippen taking turns manhandling Kobe and Lebron. I'd love to see a front line of Chandler/Griffin/Love trying to stop Ewing/Robinson/Malone/Barkley. CP3/Westbrook/DWill against Magic/Stock? Please.[/QUOTE]

WTF is this?

Haha, are you mimicing Jordan stans and making their trolling look comical and extremely obvious?

This has to be a joke. You can't insult me and then talk in absolutes about how Jordan is better than Kobe in every way possible. That's just untrue. Oh and Pippen isnt manhandling Lebron any time soon, neither would Jordan. Lebron isn't Toni f*cking Kukoc, he's a top 15 player of all time and a force to be reckoned with.

[quote]Kobe is nearly identitical to Mj in all aspects of basketball.[/quote]
Nope, not as strong, not as explosive, and didn't have the big hand jordan did.

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..I was simply saying similar players similar roles...the Gap in marginal stats in minimal at best..[/quote]

30.1 ppg > 25ppg by 5 points. Basketball games are won or lost on a single point. 5 point/per player/per game difference is quite big. In a 7 game series in a typical year, Jordan will outscore kobe by 35 points.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Unless you are cloning Scottie than one of Durant or Lebron is going to score at will. And this is Kobe against Jordan we are talkin about. Kobe doesn't need to shit him down. Just to make him work/tire.[/QUOTE]

I really don't understand why all the extreme positions some people take on comparisons like these...

Both teams are talented and intelligent enough to safely say nobody is probably going to score "at will", and if any person COULD pull off something of that regard, it would be Jordan.

Common sense (or apparently not) tells me that the Dream Team is obviously the better team, but not by such an extreme margin that they have no chance to win a game. If playing a seven game series, I have no problem admitting that the 2012 team could pull of a V or two... Players of either teams caliber may have mismatches of certain types, but at the level all of these guys are playing at, its not such a wild discrepancy that one player will physically abuse the other an entire series...the talent is simply too high either way.

I think a much more reasonable way of comparing the two teams would be to break it down into pieces..and here is a quick breakdown from my perspective.

PG/SG.... Paul/Williams/Westbrook/Kobe/Harden for the 2012 are slightly quicker and possibly more athletic as a GROUP than the 1992 team...their strengths will be penetration/dish and fastbreak points..solid perimeter defense. With Kobe, they also can regularly play above the rim as well..

Magic/MJ/Stockton/Drexler..., they are bigger, stronger and smarter than their counterparts...of course they have Jordan who's athleticism is virtually unmatched at this point in his career and both he and Drexler have the ability to play above the rim, something the 2012 guards will not be able to hold a candle to (with the exception of Kobe and sometimes Westbrook). Size is a major advantage as well.. with the exception of Stockton, Jordan, Drex and Magic are all over 6'5.



Forwards 2012: James/Durant/Igouadala/Anthony...I think everybody is focused around the forward matchups... Lebron and Durant create one of the best and most diverse forward combinations ever. Lebron obviously has the ability to score on anybody at any given time when he wants it. and Durant is a taller, stronger version of Pippen, an athletic big man who can run the floor and shoot like a guard. They create matchup problems for literally anybody because both are extremely athletic, can play above the rim, are big/strong bodies and can shoot the ball from the perimeter (esp Durant). They would have their hands full defensively, especially from scorers Malone and Barkley who could chew up any of those guy inside 12 feet from the basket...

Forwards 1992: Malone/Barkley/Laetner/Pippen/Mullin: Ill start by saying Pippen, in my mind, is one of the top 5 defensive players in the history of the NBA as well as quite possibly the most versatile minus Lebron...he would matchup well against either player and while he is not as strong as Lebron or a tall as Durant, he IS quicker than either and smarter than both and I think the matchup on either player (I would personally put him on Durant) is spectacular.. not to mention he is excellent offensively. Malone/Barkley would not be able to guard any of their forwards well on the perimeter but with a team defense it would not be as imperative...as both players are capable (especially Malone) of playing excellent defense in the post. Mullin would keep all of the opposing teams forwards honest because he is a better pure shooter than anybody on either squad minus Larry Bird. Latener would get the water.

Offensively, the same matchup problems apply for the 2012 team...nobody is going to be able to effectively guard Malone or Barkley who were scoring machines at this point in their careers, esp in the post and I see a lot of fouls going to both sides from penetration...with the advantage in that regard going to the 1992 because of the superior interior defense from Robinson/Ewing.

Centers 2012: Love/Davis/Chandler: This is obviously the biggest mismatch position wise. Chandler is their best bet IMO... a tall athletic big man who can play solid defense...Love and Davis are strong and good rebounders but none of them have remotely the scoring ability of the 1992 squad nor the shot block ability, save Chandler gets wild and starts using that ridiculous leaping ability he used to have..

Centers 1992: Robinson/Ewing...Two of the top 10 Centers ever..both considered in their primes roughly, both were better scorers, at least equal rebounders if not better and easily better shot blockers/passers...If they wanted to pummel the post down low they could go with Ewing, if they wanted to score and use quickness, they could go with Robinson. I think Robinson especially would be effective because of his outstanding shot blocking ability combined with his quickness for altering the shots of the penetrating of the 2012 players like Lebron...


All in all, neither team OWNS the other.. at this level you rarely if ever get total domination like so many people type...however the Dream Team without question has the overall advantage and minus the athleticism and penetration ability of the 2012 squad, all other advantages including coaching and chemistry point to the 1992 squad.

I would say in a series of 7... I would go either 4-1 or MAYBE 4-2 with the Dream Team winning by an average of 8-10 points....

dream team ain't gonna lose to a team who beats teams like argentina by 6. it really will be a bad miss match. not only the dream team has the chemistry, but they have the size. 12 team is talented, but they will just get worked. just watch how spain will make all of us sweat.

[QUOTE=Linspired]dream team ain't gonna lose to a team who beats teams like argentina by 6. it really will be a bad miss match. not only the dream team has the chemistry, but they have the size. 12 team is talented, but they will just get worked. just watch how spain will make all of us sweat.[/QUOTE]

extreme positions like these don't do much for credibility...just sayin

[QUOTE=StarJordan]Nope, not as strong, not as explosive, and didn't have the big hand jordan did.



30.1 ppg > 25ppg by 5 points. Basketball games are won or lost on a single point. 5 point/per player/per game difference is quite big. In a 7 game series in a typical year, Jordan will outscore kobe by 35 points.[/QUOTE]

Why not take a good 12 year stretch to compare instead of the entire careers? Kobe started early.

I don't know why people are even talking about this. Try to beat Spain first then talk about how you compare to older teams.