[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975813]tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol[/QUOTE]
It’s purely for your response at this point I think.
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975813]tpols still claiming 40 year old LeBron is in his prime :lol[/QUOTE]
It’s purely for your response at this point I think.
[QUOTE=tpols;14975824]Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.
He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument... just emojis and one liners.
Luka is going to allow Lebron to rest more than ever.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this version of LeBron is leading the Cavs to 66 wins in '09? Or leading the Cavs to the Finals in 2018?
[QUOTE=tpols;14975824]Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.
He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument... just emojis and one liners.
Luka is going to allow Lebron to rest more than ever.[/QUOTE]
LeBron has come out and said he laughs at the absurd number of money people say he spends on his body. He says sleep at the end of the day (no pun) is the best form of recovery.
The obsession on Doncic conditioning and weight is kinda weird.
The guy played 70 games last year on very high minutes. Scored the most points in the league. Rebounds at a high level. Got his team to the finals where they finally lost to a juggernaut team.
Results matter. I don’t care what his weight is if he is getting those types of results. It’s completely irrelevant.
I don’t know what more they want from him really. At some point you are who you are. Asking Luka to get any better of a motor is like telling Giannis to get better at free throws. They both are giving it all they have. They aren’t going to tap into this huge extra level by dedicating all of their free time to it. That’s just not how it works.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14975828]LeBron has come out and said he laughs at the absurd number of money people say he spends on his body. He says sleep at the end of the day (no pun) is the best form of recovery.[/QUOTE]
We all sleep every night. None of us are Lebron. He clearly has the perfect combination of genetics and physical care routine to make his body be prime and optimal for as long as possible.
And high tech PEDs. Which I have no problem with. I'd take them to if I had a connect and they made me stronger.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975827]Do you think this version of LeBron is leading the Cavs to 66 wins in '09? Or leading the Cavs to the Finals in 2018?[/QUOTE]
2009 and 2018 are absolute peak versions of Lebron. I'd take the current version over 2007, 2008, 2011, and 2013. He's smarter, more skilled and a better shooter. And not playing scared most of all.
[QUOTE=tpols;14975834]2009 and 2018 are absolute peak versions of Lebron. I'd take the current version over 2007, 2008, 2011, [B]and 2013.[/B] He's smarter, more skilled and a better shooter. And not playing scared most of all.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=tpols;14975824]Lebron spends millions of dollars taking care of himself every year while MJ used to smoke, drink, and gamble to an extreme degree.
He is still in his prime and the statistics support it which is [B]why you and Pheonix have no metric based argument[/B]... just emojis and one liners.
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We don't? Prime/Peak Lebron had 30-31 PER seasons, this year he's at 23. The only year lower was his rookie season. His offensive rating is a whole 10 points from its peak( 2013) and his defensive rating is tied for the worst of his career( matched by last season). His VORP numbers are at the bottom of his career. His plus/minus right now is -61 and at one point was -115 or something like that. Need anything else? Now tell us what metrics you're using to say he's in his prime. Emojis and one liners are really all that's needed for such a ridiculous position, but you got two minutes of effort from me looking up metrics to show how dense the idea of Lebron being in his prime is.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14975840]:roll:[/QUOTE]
2013 was almost another 2011. A literal hair away.
Lebrons stats were on par with that before Ray Allen's shot flipped the momentum and brought Miami back from the dead.
He was still playing scared. Ask Boris Diaw. Now? He doesn't seem scared anymore when shooting at all.
Same year he scored 16 points in the 4th quarter and brought them back in the game before Ray Allen hit the shot?
Or this game 7 performance?
[video=youtube;Htds3dbB-wY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htds3dbB-wY[/video]
What were his averages in the Finals that year before rays shot?
Worse than his seasons average today. Guaranteed if you pull it up.
He was playing scared til Allen flipped the momentum. Today? He doesn't really play scared and is still a super athlete but smarter and more secure mentally.
[QUOTE=tpols;14975854]What were his averages in the Finals that year before rays shot?
Worse than his seasons average today. Guaranteed if you pull it up.
He was playing scared til Allen flipped the momentum. Today? He doesn't really play scared and is still a super athlete but smarter and more secure mentally.[/QUOTE]
Also in 2016 he was shitting the bed hard the first 4 games before dray got suspended and bogut injured. I wanna say something like 22 ppg on trash efficiency from the top of my head.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14975858]Also in 2016 he was shitting the bed hard the first 4 games before dray got suspended and bogut injured. I wanna say something like 22 ppg on trash efficiency from the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
Yup.
A lot of these guys don't understand that although he may not be as fast... he's smarter. And still as strong as ever. Probably weight room wise stronger than he's ever been. 30s and early 40s is peak strength for men and he's on a routine we can't even comprehend or attain.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14975843]We don't? Prime/Peak Lebron had 30-31 PER seasons, this year he's at 23. The only year lower was his rookie season. His offensive rating is a whole 10 points from its peak( 2013) and his defensive rating is tied for the worst of his career( matched by last season). His VORP numbers are at the bottom of his career. His plus/minus right now is -61 and at one point was -115 or something like that. Need anything else? Now tell us what metrics you're using to say he's in his prime. Emojis and one liners are really all that's needed for such a ridiculous position, but you got two minutes of effort from me looking up metrics to show how dense the idea of Lebron being in his prime is.[/QUOTE]
Tpols? I note you've replied to several posts since mine, so we'll pretend you missed this one. Any feedback or shall we stick with your insightful metrics of 'he plays less scared and is still a super athlete?' Can you let me know where I can find those categories on Basketball References? Thanks.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14975858]Also in 2016 he was shitting the bed hard the first 4 games before dray got suspended and bogut injured. I wanna say something like 22 ppg on trash efficiency from the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
Same series he led all players in every category?