[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
it is brah, he switched his pivot foot from right to the left
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[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
it is brah, he switched his pivot foot from right to the left
[QUOTE=BlackJoker23][img]http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/5g/o8/2k/cdestroykb.gif[/img]
u mad kobe stans?[/QUOTE]
This :rockon:
The inability of some to recognize when a rule is legally stretched without being broken is a constant part of this game's evolution.
After learning the "euro-step" from Rafer Alston in 1996 I started using it in parks and tournaments that summer. The first two times I got called for a travel. The third time the ref let it go and the opposing coach went ballistic. During a deadball the ref explained, "it' looks stupid as hell but its only two steps". LOL
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]That's a damn shame a trainer is teaching these young kids how to travel on the step-thru move :oldlol: I was always taught if you lift your pivot foot and change to the other foot that's a clear extra step and therefore a travel. How could it not be? If you have to switch the pivot foot to get the shot off that's an extra step. Extra step = travel...no ifs, ands or buts about it. Now if your pivot foot leaves the floor at the same time as the off foot then that's not an extra step. This is how that move should be performed. [/QUOTE]
I'll admit that when I first saw the GIF I thought it was a travel too. But after looking at the rules closer and looking at all the videos posted, it's not a travel.
If you want to count the steps, look at it this way:
Once you pick up your dribble, your first step is the pivot foot. At this point, you can pivot around all you want, but just think of it as the person still being on his/her first step. After you lift your pivot foot, you have now taken 2 steps. Now, you can stand on one leg/shoot/pass or whatever without landing back on the pivot foot (hence the step-through move).
If the person's pivot foot lands back down with the ball still in possession, then you count that as step #3. Basically, you don't have to jump off both feet, but your lifted pivot foot can't land back down with the ball.
This whole debate is why I don't take fans complaining about refs very seriously. A vast majority don't even know about the rules they're complaining about. Just look at the number of people that are dead certain that Kobe play is a travel.
[QUOTE=monkeypox]This whole debate is why I don't take fans complaining about refs very seriously. A vast majority don't even know about the rules they're complaining about. Just look at the number of people that are dead certain that Kobe play is a travel.[/QUOTE]
Excellent point :applause: Never even considered that angle.
[QUOTE=gblz]I'll admit that when I first saw the GIF I thought it was a travel too. But after looking at the rules closer and looking at all the videos posted, it's not a travel.
If you want to count the steps, look at it this way:
Once you pick up your dribble, your first step is the pivot foot. At this point, you can pivot around all you want, but just think of it as the person still being on his/her first step. After you lift your pivot foot, you have now taken 2 steps. Now, you can stand on one leg/shoot/pass or whatever without landing back on the pivot foot (hence the step-through move).
If the person's pivot foot lands back down with the ball still in possession, then you count that as step #3. Basically, you don't have to jump off both feet, but your lifted pivot foot can't land back down with the ball.[/QUOTE]There's no point trying to explain anything to him. I've made a detailed step by step break down of the move with the step count on the previous page, and instead of coming back and admitting his mistakes he just disappeared.
That's what they all do. Call it a travel despite all the video evidences and rule book, add a laughing smiley to pretend they are laughing at people's "stupidity", say that they have years of balling behind them but when challenged to provide any proof or explain how they count steps they suddenly disappear.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]It's amazing that people are actually arguing this. At least Samurai's contention was that both feet left the floor at the same time, but some of these dudes actually think that the pivot foot can leave the floor first.
lmao @ IGOTGAME. [B]Learn how to play the game.[/B] :oldlol: The rule you posted is not an exhaustive explanation of every circumstance that constitutes a travel. It's a rule for ONE situation. There are many others.[/QUOTE]
@DaKOKING, the worst part is when to "learn to play the game."
Also, I used to do a lot pivot moves on the block...but it is frustrating that I cannot do all of that stuff at the parks(without real refs) due to people who don't understand the rules.
[QUOTE=DixieNourmous]This is GOAT footwork....
[IMG]http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/BigM211/CrabDribble.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=N0Skillz]how the fck does he stop so fast[/QUOTE]
by studying MJ's game 1995-1998. MJ did stuff like this frequently which was very close to travel. But this one is travel.
[QUOTE=N0Skillz]how the fck does he stop so fast[/QUOTE]
This is amateur stuff.
[B][SIZE="3"]watch @ 8:35[/SIZE][/B]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BztuspM7TNE"]"Stop on a dime" Pull Up fadeaway[/URL]
[SIZE="2"][B]Here is a real MJ "stop on a dime" fadeaway jumper[/B][/SIZE]. :bowdown:
[B][SIZE="2"]notice he is penetrating at speed & fadeaway pull up on a dime.[/SIZE][/B] :bowdown:
[B]"Unmatchable" footwork off the corner. Its the footwork that sets up escape dribble & dunk.[/B]
[B]I've never seen anyone even attempt this one let alone copy it.[/B]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkEVn1VUBlE[/URL]
[QUOTE=Phong]Yeah technically you don't change pivot, you just travel.
Travel:
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/1106280538585913.gif[/img]
What he does is pick up his dribble and plant his pivot (1) as his first step. He pivots, then when he lifts his pivot foot, the non-pivot foot becomes the second step (2). So far according to the rule, everything is fine as long as he passes or shoot now.
Since he plants his original pivot back down with the ball still in his hands, he took his third step (3). He should be called for a travel right there. When he spins around and jumps he took a fourth step (4).
Legal play: 2 steps
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/28/110628060934110142.gif[/img]
That's the way I would logically count the steps. If somebody has another interpretation.[/QUOTE]
Question why does his real second step not count to you he clearly stops on a 1-2 then steps threw but you don't count his second step why again? Just asking for a simple explanation for some reason that other step he takes doesn't count for some imaginary reason?
He actually goes 1,2 step threw 3 but your just ignoring 2 like it does't exist
[QUOTE=BlackJoker23]great footwork right here
[img]http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/uYK4YoDyGP8sI4ShPv6jGRuc3.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]by studying MJ's game 1995-1998. MJ did stuff like this frequently which was very close to travel. But this one is travel.[/QUOTE]
I guess working out with Hakeem has nothing to do with it.
He probably watched some Michael Jordan tapes yea thats sounds logical :facepalm GTFO