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[QUOTE=Dave_520]extreme positions like these don't do much for credibility...just sayin[/QUOTE]
what's so extreme about what i just said? this team is one bad shooting night from not winning the gold.
game of basketball is all about who's the better TEAM. 92 is a superior TEAM.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Why not take a good 12 year stretch to compare instead of the entire careers? Kobe started early.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's first few years in the league really drive down his averages. It's somewhat unfortunate really as it distorts peoples perception of his overall level of play. Though I guess in some sense you could say that for most players, usually it's their veteran years that drag down their averages (which Kobe's still might).
The most accurate way of doing a statistical comparison in my opinion would probably be to use that year in particular to approximate what those players were giving you at the time, that is 1992 Jordan and 2012 Kobe. You could even use a 2-3 year span if you want a larger sample size.
How Kobe played as an 18 year old kid, or how Jordan played as a 40 year old man has little relation to what their most likely to give you in this particular match up, and both of those things, irrelevantly, average into their overall career numbers.
More realistically your looking at something like
Jordan - 31 ppg 6.5 reb 6 ast 2.6 stl 1 blk on 52/31/84
Kobe - 27 ppg 5.0 reb 5 ast 1.3 stl .2 blk on 44/32/83
for a prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe
Statistically, there is a slight gap, though it's not night and day. I think it's really pretty interesting just how similar their numbers actually are. Kobe really is just like a scaled down version of Jordan, and this is prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe were comparing(the numbers would be even more similar were we to compare prime vs. prime).
Jordan would have a pretty huge edge defensively, but even at 33 years old Kobe is still a competent defender in his own right.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]Kobe's first few years in the league really drive down his averages. It's somewhat unfortunate really as it distorts peoples perception of his overall level of play. Though I guess in some sense you could say that for most players, usually it's their veteran years that drag down their averages (which Kobe's still might).
The most accurate way of doing a statistical comparison in my opinion would probably be to use that year in particular to approximate what those players were giving you at the time, that is 1992 Jordan and 2012 Kobe. You could even use a 2-3 year span if you want a larger sample size.
How Kobe played as an 18 year old kid, or how Jordan played as a 40 year old man has little relation to what their most likely to give you in this particular match up, and both of those things, irrelevantly, average into their overall career numbers.
More realistically your looking at something like
Jordan - 31 ppg 6.5 reb 6 ast 2.6 stl 1 blk on 52/31/84
Kobe - 27 ppg 5.0 reb 5 ast 1.3 stl .2 blk on 44/32/83
for a prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe
Statistically, there is a slight gap, though it's not night and day. I think it's really pretty interesting just how similar their numbers actually are. Kobe really is just like a scaled down version of Jordan, and this is prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe were comparing(the numbers would be even more similar were we to compare prime vs. prime).
Jordan would have a pretty huge edge defensively, but even at 33 years old Kobe is still a competent defender in his own right.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious??? :biggums:
31 ppg at 52% >>>>>>>>> 27 ppg at 44%
2.6 spg >>>>>>>>> 1.3 spg
1 bpg >>>>>>>> .2 bpg
The **** are you smoking son?? :facepalm
'92 Jordan would take a dump all over '12 Kobe. How anyone thinks otherwise is amazing to me. This isn't '06-'09 Kobe, where he'd at least have a fighting chance.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]
Jordan - 31 ppg 6.5 reb 6 ast 2.6 stl 1 blk on 52/31/84
Kobe - 27 ppg 5.0 reb 5 ast 1.3 stl .2 blk on 44/32/83
for a prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe
Statistically, there is a slight gap, though it's not night and day. I think it's really pretty interesting just how similar their numbers actually are. Kobe really is just like a scaled down version of Jordan, and this is prime Jordan vs past prime Kobe were comparing(the numbers would be even more similar were we to compare prime vs. prime).
Jordan would have a pretty huge edge defensively, but even at 33 years old Kobe is still a competent defender in his own right.[/QUOTE]
There is a huge efficiency gap between 31 and 27 points at a 8% difference field goal percentage. HUGE.
Since Kobe started his career with Shaq( and took 3-4 years to become a top scorer), if we're comparing apple to apple circumstances with Jordan the best thing to do is to look at his post Shaq years, when he was the undisputed number one option. He has two seasons post Shaq where he averaged 35 and 31 points a game. Aside from those two seasons, he's basically been a 27-28 ppg scorer.
In Jordan's Bulls playing days, he didn't dip under 30 ppg until the 96-97 season, 29.6 at age 34( asides from his second injury-plagued year when he averaged 22). Comparing Jordan from 86 to 98, and Kobe from 2004-2012, would give the most accurate comparison, as that's the closest we'd get to apples to apples. This also eliminates each guys 'worst' seasons, so it's fair to both sides.
BTW for anybody thinking theres any comparison the 1992 team has the best frontcourt of all time in:
D.Robinson/K.Malone/Barkley
the best backcourt of all time in: Magic/Jordan/Drexler
and the most athletic fastbreaking wings of all time in Jordan/Pippen/Magic/Drexler
Anybody thinking Durant/Lebron would be better on the fastbreak, which along with athleticism is probably the only advantage they MIGHT have, and even that would be a stretch, needs to go watch clips of Magic right now.
Oh yea and they also have the best defensive backcourt of all time in Pippen/Jordan.
[QUOTE=BlueandGold]BTW for anybody thinking theres any comparison the 1992 team has the best frontcourt of all time in:
D.Robinson/K.Malone/Barkley
the best backcourt of all time in: Magic/Jordan/Drexler
and the most athletic fastbreaking wings of all time in Jordan/Pippen/Magic/Drexler
Anybody thinking Durant/Lebron would be better on the fastbreak, which along with athleticism is probably the only advantage they MIGHT have, and even that would be a stretch, needs to go watch clips of Magic right now.
Oh yea and they also have the best defensive backcourt of all time in Pippen/Jordan.[/QUOTE]
i laugh at people even thinking magic some sort of a fat slob. it's funny how people think 32 year old magic was an old fat hasbeen player.
he definitely wasn't. he was brilliant in that 92 summer. magic could run and lead a fast break better than anybody else. there is no defense for court vision, innate ability to create an offense, and accurate no look pass. magic's rational randomness was something special. 92 magic still had it.
[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]There is a huge efficiency gap between 31 and 27 points at a 8% difference field goal percentage. HUGE.
Since Kobe started his career with Shaq( and took 3-4 years to become a top scorer), if we're comparing apple to apple circumstances with Jordan the best thing to do is to look at his post Shaq years, when he was the undisputed number one option. He has two seasons post Shaq where he averaged 35 and 31 points a game. Aside from those two seasons, he's basically been a 27-28 ppg scorer.
In Jordan's Bulls playing days, he didn't dip under 30 ppg until the 96-97 season, 29.6 at age 34( asides from his second injury-plagued year when he averaged 22). Comparing Jordan from 86 to 98, and Kobe from 2004-2012, would give the most accurate comparison, as that's the closest we'd get to apples to apples. This also eliminates each guys 'worst' seasons, so it's fair to both sides.[/QUOTE]
- well said....and that's exactly what I was talking about.
- Your post makes 100% sense......
Jordan stans - let's use multiple seasons when teemage Kobe was playing 10 - 15 minutes a game:facepalm
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- well said....and that's exactly what I was talking about.
- Your post makes 100% sense......
Jordan stans - let's use multiple seasons when teemage Kobe was playing 10 - 15 minutes a game:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yep, it's why I just go by Per 36 minutes or Per 48 minutes.
[QUOTE=GOBB][B]There is a gap between 29yr old MJ and 34yr old Kobe[/B]. Dream Team was full of cerebral players where the competition level was unreal. And documented. Todays players are more friendly with one another. Who complained about hard fouls on the Dream Team? I know some cried over D.Cousins hard fouling.
The size of the Dream Team trumps them so much. Come down the lane Bron.[/QUOTE]
Hell there is a gap btw 35 yrs old MJ >>>> & 29 yrs old Kobe.
29 yrs old Kobe = consolation MVP. Lost FMVP to Pierce.
35 yrs old MJ = NBA Reg Sea MVP + FMVP hitting championship winner over Russell.
Case closed.
[B]Kobe & MJ should never ever be mentioned in same sentence. Kobe is NOT Top 10. MJ is Guaranteed Top 3 GOATs to ever play the game[/B].
[QUOTE=Linspired]i laugh at people even thinking magic some sort of a fat slob. it's funny how people think 32 year old magic was an old fat hasbeen player.
he definitely wasn't. he was brilliant in that 92 summer. magic could run and lead a fast break better than anybody else. there is no defense for court vision, innate ability to create an offense, and accurate no look pass. magic's rational randomness was something special. 92 magic still had it.[/QUOTE]
Yea it's funny how people get forgotten over such short of a time :facepalm at people forgetting that Magic was a couple of months (about 6-8 months) removed from his 1st retirement.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]this *****.....
- Kobe is nearly identitical to Mj in all aspects of basketball...I was simply saying similar players similar roles...the Gap in marginal stats in minimal at best..
get over it.
- Granger and Drexler are very sismilar...Both players can give you 20 - 25 PPG 4AST 4REB..I would IMO take Granger over Drexler as Granger can actually dribble without looking at the ground.
I watched Glyde's whole career.....played on some decent teams , Quit and won as a Ring Chaser....don't know why comparing him to Granger is bad?
next[/QUOTE]
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this guy is just clueless
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]- well said....and that's exactly what I was talking about.
- Your post makes 100% sense......
Jordan stans - let's use multiple seasons when teemage Kobe was playing 10 - 15 minutes a game:facepalm[/QUOTE]
And if you take Jordan's and Kobe's best years and compare them, MJ still bests Kobe by a nice margin...go ahead and look it up:applause:
Are we gonna act like the 92 Team wouldn't take a dump on Argentina and Spain:oldlol:
Current team barely beat Argentina by 2 treys:roll:
Of course the dream team can lose. Has no one ever seen a inferior team beat a better team before. Not like Kobe said they would in a playoff series.
Players today are just more skillful. There's a whole lot of players in the NBA that plays like MJ. Back then he was like the only of his kind.