"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449493]those guys ragdolled shaq/kobe and duncan/popovich but lost to mj

and stockton clearly outplayed pippen in the 97' Finals, while scoring like jordan in the clutch - pippen had a worst-ever 4 clutch points in the 97' Finals (less than ostertag), while stockton had nearly as many as mj[/QUOTE]
Pip didn't have to score for his teammates to feel his impact. Poor thing you still can't realize this.

A couple of things here... People OFTEN confuse the best all around player WITH BEING the best player. At times, both things can be true. For example, in the case of MJ and Bron. When it comes to Kareem at his best., he was LEGIT the best player in the league and best all around center. By all around, I'm talking who combines scoring, passing, defense,and rebounding the best for their position. Now many think the best player is either KD or Giannis. While Giannis is the better ALL AROUND PLAYER than KD, KD is such a great and skilled scorer that it SUPERCEDES Giannis' all around ability. PLUS KD is a very good all around player to boot.

Once MJ left for baseball, Pip INDEED was the best ALL AROUND perimeter player in the world. He combined scoring, passing, defense,and rebounding BETTER than any other perimeter player at that time. But Pip WASN'T CLOSE to being the best player on the planet. That was Hakeem. And for that matter Barkley, Shaq,Drexler,Mailman,Robinson,and Ewing were all better players than Pip in this time period. So ONCE AGAIN,the best ALL AROUND PLAYER isn't ALWAYS the best player. Pip (when MJ left for baseball) is a great example of the difference!

[QUOTE=3ba11;14448847][B]You're comparing peak vs trough

not exactly fair[/B]

if we compare peak vs peak, we see that about 500 guys can match pippen's peak of 22/5 with weak efficiency and 2nd round loss - Hughes did it in 2005

Otoh, not many guys can match kobe's peak, which blows Pippen's 91' peak out of the water... 20 ppg and no clutch?.... how does that compare to kobe[/QUOTE]

You say that, but you compare rookie Pippen to prime players all the time. Like prime Adrian Dantley, and prime Larry Nance.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;14449766]You say that, but you compare rookie Pippen to prime players all the time. Like prime Adrian Dantley, and prime Larry Nance.[/QUOTE]


People blame Jordan for losing from 88-90' so I have to bring up the real culprit - Pippen - who was vastly inferior to everyone during those years... the higher production rate of veterans like Mo Williams or Larry Hughes would've been more than enough to win in those years.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14449769]People blame Jordan for losing from 88-90' so I have to bring up the real culprit - Pippen - who was vastly inferior to everyone during those years... the higher production rate of veterans like Mo Williams or Larry Hughes would've been more than enough to win in those years.[/QUOTE]
Bro. It doesn't matter why you did it. You did it. Then proceeded to say you shouldn't compare rookies and 2ns and 3rd year players to players in their primes.

Anyone have an answer for OP?

[QUOTE=bizil;14449740]A couple of things here... People OFTEN confuse the best all around player WITH BEING the best player. At times, both things can be true. For example, in the case of MJ and Bron. When it comes to Kareem at his best., he was LEGIT the best player in the league and best all around center. By all around, I'm talking who combines scoring, passing, defense,and rebounding the best for their position. Now many think the best player is either KD or Giannis. While Giannis is the better ALL AROUND PLAYER than KD, KD is such a great and skilled scorer that it SUPERCEDES Giannis' all around ability. PLUS KD is a very good all around player to boot.

Once MJ left for baseball, Pip INDEED was the best ALL AROUND perimeter player in the world. He combined scoring, passing, defense,and rebounding BETTER than any other perimeter player at that time. But Pip WASN'T CLOSE to being the best player on the planet. That was Hakeem. And for that matter Barkley, Shaq,Drexler,Mailman,Robinson,and Ewing were all better players than Pip in this time period. So ONCE AGAIN,the best ALL AROUND PLAYER isn't ALWAYS the best player. Pip (when MJ left for baseball) is a great example of the difference![/QUOTE]

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