[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14975862]Same series he led all players in every category?[/QUOTE]
yeah
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14975862]Same series he led all players in every category?[/QUOTE]
yeah
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14975861]Tpols? I note you've replied to several posts since mine, so we'll pretend you missed this one. Any feedback or shall we stick with your insightful metrics of 'he plays less scared and is still a super athlete?' Can you let me know where I can find those categories on Basketball References? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
A 23 PER? Lebron was a 25 PER in 2015. Who cares? You're not only splitting hairs but doing a huge disservice to his current ability.
Lebron is averaging 24/9/8 on 116 ORTG. His career averages are 27/7/7 on 116 ORTG.
Is that a massive difference? Not at all. Same efficiency, but he traded a couple points for dimes.
And the Lakers have a very good record so it's not like he's stat padding on a shit team.
I cant believe me of all people have to defend Lebron James against you guys. :facepalm
[QUOTE=tpols;14975866]A 23 PER? Lebron was a 25 PER in 2015. Who cares? You're not only splitting hairs but doing a huge disservice to his current ability.
Lebron is averaging 24/9/8 on 116 ORTG. His career averages are 27/7/7 on 116 ORTG.
Is that a massive difference? Not at all. Same efficiency, but he traded a couple points for dimes.
And the Lakers have a very good record so it's not like he's stat padding on a shit team.
I cant believe me of all people have to defend Lebron James against you guys :facepalm[/QUOTE]
He had a 25 PER but he wasn't a net negative on the court and was still playing capable defense. That wasn't one of his better prime seasons offensively but he wasn't a -61 on the court either.
His career averages take both the high and low spectrums of his career into account. 'Prime Lebron' was dropping seasons of 30/9/8, offensive seasons of over 120 and under 100 defensive IN THE SAME SEASON, TS% numbers of 65%. Past prime Lebron is mostly on the lower end of those numbers. There is certainly no version of prime Lebron that would be a negative on the court in plus/minus. He doesn't impact winning like he used to, and you can look back at some footage of him flying all around the court in 2009 or even 2013 to know he's nowhere near his physical prime. He's had to basically abandon the defensive side in order to maintain his numbers on the offensive, so how the fukk can he still be in his prime?
So you can ma$turbate over the surface numbers till you run out of kleenex and do your usual little tap-dance to justify your position, but nobody having advanced metrics on the lower end of their career in multiple categories would be in their relative prime. That doesn't even take into account this era's lack of defense compared even to Lebron's heyday, where it's easier is maintain stats into your mid/late 30's so that somebody can come along making stupid comments that he's still prime until you look under the hood.
You're becoming very emotional now. Breathe for a second.
I just laid the averages and productions out for you. Lebrons numbers in that regard are literally identical to his career average minus a few points and adding a few assists which balances out.
Lebron has been balling. Especially recently. Like I said before I don't know how me of all people is the one to point that out. Yall are slipping.
And need to recognize game when you see it.
Nah, calling out stupidity in colorful terms should by no means delude you into thinking your comments make anyone emotional.
I laid out several numbers for you that shows he's on the low end of several advanced metrics that you claimed SBT and I didn't have. Because he's had to abandon the defensive side to maintain his offensive production in an era of inflated stats, by no means means he's in his prime. You're harping too much on the term prime like you were generational in the other thread.
If you don't care about defense and view the ability to perform at a high level regularly as being unimportant then you could also ignore the decrease in athleticism and scoring average and say that 40 year-old James is in his prime. That's a lot to deny though. I'm as big of a Tatum fan as this site has and I don't believe he would make first team AllNBA over prime James.
Lebron is coming off back to back games of a 30 point triple double and 40 point game with wins over two playoff teams. In just the past few days.
I'm pretty sure he knows how to play at a high level. Some of you fellas are acting like you don't watch basketball at all anymore recently. And I can't be blamed for that.
[QUOTE=tpols;14975889]Lebron is coming off back to back games of a 30 point triple double and 40 point game with wins over two playoff teams. In just the past few days.
I'm pretty sure he knows how to play at a high level. Some of you fellas are acting like you don't watch basketball at all anymore recently. And I can't be blamed for that.[/QUOTE]
LeBron hasn't scored 40 points since last March, and hasn't come close to reaching that in a month. I'm genuinely curious what game you keep referring to where he scored 40 points, did you make up in your mind that this happened :lol
There really is no nuance on this board. The argument isn't whether Lebron is playing very well, it's comparing him to the years most would consider his prime when he was a legit two way force. If he's now a one way force then no, by the standards of when he was a two way force he's not in his prime. It's like arguing that Steph Curry this year is only 2 points off his career average but same rebounds and assists so he's still in his prime, like I didn't see what he was in 2016 or if I choose to ignore that all his advanced metrics are nowhere close to his peak.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14975826]It’s purely for your response at this point I think.[/QUOTE]
Aaand it worked. So why not.
No one said James isn't smart, you're arguing with your imagination. We are pointing out the very obvious fact that he's lost some athleticism ( he's still got athleticism but in his prime he was arguably the most athletic player of all time) and he now has to be load managed. Before last year's 71 games he had the straight years under 60 games. Most of his prime years James played in the high 70s. Now he does load management and only defends when the game is on the line. Most people that have followed his career know these things.
I mean you can continue to doubt Lebron. That's your perogative.
I've seen him play probably more than most people combined an his game is as refined as ever. He's not 2009 or 2018 version of perfection but close to other years people would consider his prime.
If you don't like my opinion? Kick rocks and don't respond to me. No sweat off my back. Just don't cry and throw a hissy fit while you do it.
You know what I mean?
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14975892]LeBron hasn't scored 40 points since last March, and hasn't come close to reaching that in a month. I'm genuinely curious what game you keep referring to where he scored 40 points, did you make up in your mind that this happened :lol[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Bear in mind he said all this in the same breath as saying the rest of us aren't watching basketball, while he comes up with imaginary numbers.
[QUOTE=tpols;14975901]I mean you can continue to doubt Lebron. That's your perogative.
If you don't like my opinion? Kick rocks and don't respond to me. No sweat off my back. Just don't cry and throw a hissy fit while you do it.
You know what I mean?[/QUOTE]
You're becoming very emotional now. Breathe for a second.
You're free to take your own advice at any time. Don't like the opposing viewpoints? Door is that way ------->
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14975902]:oldlol: Bear in mind he said all this in the same breath as saying the rest of us aren't watching basketball, while he comes up with imaginary numbers.[/QUOTE]
Some posters like spursm8 straight up make up events that occurred, I genuinely don't know if tpols just imagined in his mind that LeBron dropped 40 the other day when he hasn't done it all season, and like I said, hasn't come close in a month.