Russell to LeBron: "Thank you for leaving me off your Mt. Rushmore."

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I never said Russell was better than MJ. So total strawman there...

I said that your narrow definition of skill doesn't give justice to Russell's real impact.

Again I go back to Magic. What would you say to someone arguing that Lebron is better than Magic because Lebron is twice the defender...or that Hakeem is better than Magic because he's 5 times the defender????

You also can't just ignore what Russell's teams did...they are a product of his impact on the floor.

Pretty much all the evidence points to Russell probably being the best defender ever. Think about that please...think about that impact.

We get too caught up in this "mold" that each player has to fit. Hear it all the time about Dirk. How he doesn't fit the "mold" of the traditional pf...who ****ing cares? It's about the true impact a player has.

Again, narrow definition of skill (as if defense/rebounding isn't a skill) and an under-rating of his impact.

Honestly...I can't remember the last time I saw a list that didn't have Russell in the top 5 all time. I don't know where Kobe and Lebron are getting this notion of for sure Magic/Bird in the top 4 either. MJ for sure. Russell for sure. And then personally it's Magic next for me. Then either Wilt/Duncan/Kareem in any order for me...usually you see Kareem in there.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't Argue with someone who thinks Hakeem is better then Magic. Hakeem was better then Magic, Magic had the better career/teammates/Organization Facts.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]:lol Its actually [B]extremely very[/B] broad. I'm not just saying shooting, handling, passing - I'm saying creativity, resourcefulness, and defensive adjustments.


We are talking Russell, you are seriously not thinking that is something not being considered. But once again, he may not be. Nate Thurmond was the better one on one defender and Aurabach used half time on the NBA to lie to people and say Russell was the only player that blocked shots and kept it in play.


Heeeere we go again. When have I ever said this. I said skill with the pill in hand a half of dozen times already. It rhymes and I guess I shouldn't expect you to get it? Simple question for thenth time. Name me a sport where the player is considered best without great skill with the main piece of equipment in his hand? The conversation doesn't really need to go beyond this point. But the Russell ghost demands that you forget all that you know and makes sense to accommodate the notion that he won so much he must have the greatest magical quality.[/QUOTE]
:applause: exactly which is why I rarely discuss Russell. Anytime you mention his offensive flaws... They bring up some intangibles BS and his titles. His titles were team efforts in a league just starting. He not winning 11 chips in the modern era with new rules ,trades , caps, more teams etc...

[QUOTE=fos]Russell is butthurt... and doesn't he mean "WE" won, since it's a team game and all. He's not a top 10 player all-time, let alone a top 4.[/QUOTE]


He is the GOAT. What are you 12 years old?

why these old ni[COLOR="Black"]g[/COLOR]gas always act like b[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]tches whenever LeBron say something :coleman:

[QUOTE=Pointguard]That is just so disrespectful to the game. So basketball is the only sport where you don't need skill to be the best? One of the few things on the planet you don't need skill to excel in. You are only insulting the game when you say something like that. It says that anybody can come along and be the best in the game. You work on your craft you become better at it. The distance between two players usually isn't great at all as any ten different fans will usually have ten different top tens. But if one player is very skilled, and the other isn't, is there every really a conversation.

Whatever you take for granted you pay for it. And Russell rested on his laurels. MJ worked at his game tirelessly. And for every natural advantage you name me that Russell has I will most definitely name you two that Jordan has. Lets say Jordan didn't have to do develop skills. Did it make him better or worse? Every player could use it in every sport or endeavor in life.[/QUOTE]


You're on the edge of lunacy. Nobody worked harder than Russell. Lmao homer.

[QUOTE=Big#50]Shaq/Duncan
MJ
KAJ
Bird
Hakeem
Lebron
Kobe
Magic
Wilt

Russell not in my top ten.[/QUOTE]

Then again, you don't matter.

[QUOTE=MichaelCorleone]Russell is bitter.[/QUOTE]
Can't put this any other way. Lefraud went out of his way to dis Russell with the # 6 thing, now goes out of his way on this matter. So Russell spanks him and all you 12-18 year olds get your panties in a wad. 11 pro rings, 1 Olympic ring and 2 college rings = GOAT.

[QUOTE=tpols]How does one pattern their game off Bill Russell? Hes a defensive and rebounding beast, master of intangibles and team play. He wasnt flash..Pointguard, by your definition of greatness, Allen Iverson is a top 5 GOAT candidate :oldlol:


Kids want to play like whats in style.. what looks cool. Crossovers, dunks, fadeaways.. thats why Dr. J, Jordan, Kobe etc. are the ones you see kids copying and trying to be like.

Who patterns their game off of a guy like Russell or Rodman? Thats just hard work lol.. no oohing and ahhing over it but its what wins. Such a arbitrary and unimportant way of judging something. Has absolutely nothing to do with the impact they had.[/QUOTE]

Just for kicks how does everybody forget Wes Unseld? Box out, rebound and outlet. He made a career of it, yet it was just part of Russells' game. You all sell him short and you never saw him play. How is that?

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LeBron is a good one to talk about the future of the year. The fact is that the two sides have to go out with the new version and the other side is the most important.

[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out][IMG]http://www.recaption.com/uploads/170474fe838dd1a9ad.jpg[/IMG]


matter fact i call flat out bull shit on this story........[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=IllegalD]Bill Russell to LeBron James during the pre-game (per Craig Sager):

[I]"Thank you for leaving me off your Mount Rushmore. Im glad you did. Basketball is a team game. Its not for individual honors. I won back-to-back state championships in highschool. Back-to-back NCAA championships in college. I won an NBA championship my first year in the league. An NBA championship my last year. 9 in between. And that, Mr. James, is etched in stone."[/I]

:applause:

:bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Damn. Russell doesn't even want to be respected by Bran; takes it as a slight if he is.

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