2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/utah-jazz-predicting-what-a-rebuild-would-look-like/[/url]

[QUOTE]With Gobert traded for four first-round picks, and Donovan Mitchell on the block for even more, the Utah Jazz will be set up well for a full-on rebuild. Luckily, it should be quick, if done right. Unfortunately, all rebuilds, no matter how fast, have their painful moments.

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what is quick half a dozen seasons? He isn't going after picks because he's in a hurry. We've seen Ainge won't skip steps as they love to say in the business. People thought he should have moved faster with the Celtics but he was right. Look at them now

[QUOTE]The Process, by all definitions, should be [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/06/20/sixers-process-draft-joel-embiid-ben-simmons-failure/7767057002/"]considered a total failure[/URL]. The Sixers wasted four seasons losing on purpose and did a horrible job with their high draft picks. Yes, they rolled the dice on Joel Embiid, but other than that every single pick blew up in their faces. For starters, they drafted Jahil Okafor and traded Jrue Holiday for Nerleans Noel. That’s three centers taken in the lottery in a row. Most teams only play one center at a time, so why you wouldn’t draft for fit at all is behind me.

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BBA

[QUOTE]Second, the Sixers took Micheal Carter-Williams Markelle Fultz, and Ben Simmons. Two of those guys won Rookie of the Year, but none of them can shoot from anywhere, making them nearly obsolete in today’s NBA.

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Simmons is nearly obsolete because he hasn't played for a year Otherwise he's hardly obsolete as an all star. Carter Williams is around too isn't he? Fultz a starter

[QUOTE]On the opposite end are the Boston Celtics. Their rebuild was [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/6/19/18684460/celtics-rebuild-collapse-kyrie-horford-hayward-tatum"]far from perfect[/URL] after trading Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. They experienced bad luck with Gordan Hayward, traded for Kyrie Irving, and until recently fizzled out in the playoffs. That being said, they traded the first overall pick in 2017, allowing Philly to take Fultz while the Celtics got Jayson Tatum. They also played it safe and got a good all-around player in Jaylen Brown, then spent a lot of time developing his shot.

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played it safe by drafting an all star! :facepalm

[QUOTE]The Jazz could go all in on the tank for one season. If they trade Clarkson, Bogdanocivh, Conley, Beasley, and Beverly the Jazz could bring that 17 pick total up to 22 at most, giving them an average of three and a half first-rounders every year. In a loaded upcoming draft, they could package those picks to move up or hope their guy falls to them at any point down the line.

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you forgot what they will have to give up to get rid of Gay

[QUOTE]Most rebuilds are painful episodes that take several years, but if the Jazz go all-in for just one season, then by 2023-24 fans will have several reasons to be excited about the future. The team won’t be competing by then, but the framework and vision will be in place and clear. As the Suns, Warriors, Clippers, and Lakers start to fade, the Mavericks, Pelicans, and Grizzlies will emerge as contenders, and the Utah Jazz could be right in the thick of it.

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probably be worse after they draft a bunch of 19 year olds than they will be this year

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/utah-jazz-power-forward-drawing-interest-several-teams/[/url]

[QUOTE]If Danny Ainge does indeed embrace the rebuild like many expect, then it’s likely that every player received in the Rudy Gobert trade, except for 2022 first round pick Walker Kessler are going to be traded away, and while they may not net a huge draft haul, at this point, any future draft capital helps Ainge and the Jazz. It’s tough to predict which teams are interested in Vanderbilt, as he could fit as a backup forward on almost any playoff team in the league, and he will give them valuable playing time, but at this point, any draft capital and shed salary will help Ainge going forward.[/QUOTE]

Kessler is as available as anyone I imagine. An unprotected first should do it!

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/does-mike-conley-have-a-future-with-the-utah-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]I expect Miami to be willing to give up Duncan Robinson after his lack of minutes down the stretch in last year’s NBA Playoffs. His cap hit of about $17 million in 2022 helps balance the salaries well, but the Jazz would need another player to make the trade go through. Ömer Yurtseven and Haywood Highsmith are players the Heat could give up to make this trade balanced per the NBA salary cap rules. Whether or not the Heat will also throw in a first-round pick is up in the air, but Heat President, Pat Riley, might do it if he thinks this deal will help the Heat win their first title since 2013.[/QUOTE]

Ainge would rather have 1 plus years of Conley than 4 of Robinson!


[QUOTE]Phoenix would be a great landing spot for Conley to back up Chris Paul. Phoenix’s package is headlined by Landry Shamet and Dario Saric, who are the keys to making this deal work by balancing salary cap problems. Shamet, Saric, and a first-round pick for Conley is a deal that would be put through per salary cap rules and is a real possibility. In this mock trade, I included Cameron Payne and Jarred Vanderbilt for two reasons. Firstly, Conley will take a lot of the backup point guard minutes that Payne is used to seeing, and secondly, Vanderbilt is an upgrade over Saric and possibly enough for the Jazz to receive a first-round pick from the Suns in return. In my eyes, this is a deal that would elevate the Suns in the Western Conference and one that I believe that they should accept.

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this one makes more sense. Send Payne and Saric elsewhere

[QUOTE]After losing starting guard Jalen Brunson in free agency, the Mavericks should be looking for a player like Conley to add to their roster for next season. Conley could slide into the starting lineup in place of Brunson, but the Mavericks also might be looking to give the younger Spencer Dinwiddie more minutes and bring Conley off the bench. Either way, Conley is a good fit in Dallas and can elevate the Mavericks team looking to build on their trip to the Western Conference Finals this past season. A package of Davis Bertans, Frank Ntilikina, and a first-round pick is likely enough to get Danny Ainge to pull the trigger and send Conley to Dallas. Bertans is a necessary piece in any trade negotiations between Dallas and Utah for Conley to help level the salary caps, and between Josh Green and Ntilikina, I think the Mavericks are more willing to give up on the latter.

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Bertans contract isn't wanted is it?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/22/reacting-utah-jazz-bleacher-report-mock-trade/[/url]

[QUOTE]If the Jazz can buyout Westbrook and get away from Conley’s deal, they will have plenty of money to spend, as well as an extra 10+ picks, and some young players, highlighted by Horton-Tucker, who has been touted by Lakers fans as a future star in the NBA for the past 2-3 years now. Los Angeles has certainly been hesitant to deal THT in previous deals, but the team can’t go into 2022/23 with Russell Westbrook as their starting point guard, so in order to help their starting lineup, they’ll need to include him in a deal.

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Westbrook isn't giving up much in a buyout

[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]I thought that this might be a good time to be specific about how NBA information is disseminated. In particular, I want to talk about how information leaked about the possible upcoming trade of Donovan Mitchell points to an almost inevitable conclusion[/URL]. First of all, information about a trade of this magnitude usually only gets out because the parties involved want the information to get out. The motivations behind leaking something to the media can vary depending on the source — an agent might want to drive up value, an executive might want to gain the upper hand, another executive might want to create a bidding war, a player might want to increase the odds of a deal getting done, someone from within an organization could be looking at a power grab, etc.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]





[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Additionally, a trade rumor like the one involving Mitchell does not get leaked without the intention of a deal getting done. The Utah Jazz did a very good job of hedging on their plans early in the offseason.[/URL] They didn’t come right out and say that they wouldn’t be trading Mitchell and they also didn’t get near saying they would.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]






[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Through the early weeks of the offseason, executives within the Jazz could have very easily told reporters what their long-term plans were, but they didn’t. They were tight-lipped right up to a point. Then, once a couple of reporters had been tipped off that trade talks were underway, you might have noticed that more and more reporters confirmed and added to the original story[/URL]. That’s all very normal. After the initial shockwave of news being broken, if sources close to a situation want to keep a message consistent, they will take calls from multiple reporters and reiterate the same kind of details to multiple people. It’s very intentional.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]

I'm thinking they'll use the stretch provision for Gay is they can't deal him. No need to worry about throwing money away for a few years at least

But times change and the Jazz, after a run of seasons — including all five of Mitchell’s years in Utah — are breaking up the band and seem set on a restart, already dealing away Rudy Gobert. [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]And every source indicates that the Knicks are the most likely landing spot if the Jazz move Donovan Mitchell, something that admittedly are open to now[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Steve Popper @ Newsday[/URL]




[URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Rumors flew this week that a deal was done but multiple league sources squashed that notion, saying no deal was imminent.[/URL] But they have spoken and the Knicks turned down the first ask from Utah. Will they engage again? Likely. Who will blink is the question.
– via [URL="https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-popper/nba-mkj4zm19"]Steve Popper @ Newsday[/URL]

Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]The Cavs have made what I’m told is a multi-year contract offer to Collin Sexton,[/URL] one that they feel is reasonable based on the fact that he has no market and he has no other offers.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]




Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]I’m told that it is close to $40 million in total money. So think of like a three-year, $40 million deal[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]






Chris Fedor: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]It’s way less than what Collin initially wanted.[/URL] I don’t know that it’s the kind of deal that that Collin and his camp would be willing to take.
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]






Chris Fedor: So they’re sitting here saying, hey, look, we’ve given you what we consider a reasonable multi-year offer. [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]If you’re interested in it, it’s yours. If you’re not interested in it, then go find one that’s better[/URL].
– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1usPEofz8jc3484cPFhBb0"]Spotify[/URL]

The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175567-panathinaikos-reportedly-back-off-of-pursuing-eric-paschall.html"]Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season.[/URL] SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
– via [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-175567-panathinaikos-reportedly-back-off-of-pursuing-eric-paschall.html"]BasketNews[/URL]

Bam Adebayo might prove able to push past last season’s disappointment of losing Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals to the Celtics, but he apparently is not letting go of being beaten out for NBA Defensive Player of the Year the last two seasons by Marcus Smart and Rudy Gobert. [URL="https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-ira-nba-column-20220723-hwn36rw32fhqhbw4bjjgx66h3a-story.html"]“I should have won it the last two years,” Adebayo told the assembled campers[/URL] at the Heat’s youth clinic, when asked about his ongoing goals, “and I will win it this year.” Caesar’s Sports Book has Adebayo as the second choice, at +700, to win 2023 NBA Defensive Player of the Year, behind only Gobert (+550), well ahead of Smart (+1000).
– via

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge[/url]

[QUOTE]First of all, information about a trade of this magnitude usually only gets out because the parties involved want the information to get out. The motivations behind leaking something to the media can vary depending on the source — an agent might want to drive up value, an executive might want to gain the upper hand, another executive might want to create a bidding war, a player might want to increase the odds of a deal getting done, someone from within an organization could be looking at a power grab, etc.

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Ainge. Jazz usually haven't had rumors

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/24/pete-maravich-john-stockton-best-guard-utah-jazz-history/[/url]

at least you didn't try to put Mitchell in there :facepalm

[QUOTE]It’s hard to take any other stance: Karl Malone is the best Jazzman in history. [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]John Stockton[/URL] and [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maravpe01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Pete Maravich[/URL] were both amazing in their own right, but Malone clearly takes the cake. With that being said, how much of a gap is there really between Stockon and Pistol Pete?

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I always had Stockton if I'd had to choose

[URL]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/23/heat-twitter-insane-take-donovan-mitchell/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Sure, Oladipo has one All-NBA nod and been named to an All-Defensive team, but that’s pretty much it. To suggest a fringe All-Star who has battled injuries and poor shooting is better than a generational scorer is pure insanity.

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and it's more than Mitchell will ever have. Herro is the guy you should be comparing Mitchell with

[QUOTE]If the take was just “Oladipo is/was a better defender” I’d be with you 100%. But in today’s NBA scoring unfortunately means more than good defense. James Harden ought to prove that. To suggest that an ascending star who is already a top 15 player is better than someone who barely got there at his peak is ludicrous. Heat fans, what are you doing?

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and that is why Ainge has to break up the team because Mitchell and too many of his teammates think like you

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/24/3-things-the-utah-jazz-can-do-with-all-their-draft-capital/[/url]

[QUOTE]OG Anunoby and DeAndre Ayton are two young players who match that description and could be available. The Jazz don’t yet have the draft capital or cap space to trade for either, but they may soon have both. If and when that happens, the Jazz could try and bowl Toronto or Phoenix over with picks and financial savings to land a young franchise cornerstone.

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those guys don't make sense anymore.

[QUOTE]Even if the Jazz don’t find that player, they could still add two promising young prospects to the team each year. That would allow the team to slowly get better and, once they have a player worth building around, get the Jazz back to the playoffs quicker.

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good luck with that. Those players don't come along very often

[QUOTE] [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]If Mitchell is traded, it immediately would signal an official fire sale from the Utah Jazz and all of the players[/URL] not named Mitchell become available. There are definitely players that are currently on the Jazz’s roster that could make a big difference for some of the other contenders around the league.

– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]





There’s obviously no guarantee that the Jazz would be able to trade all of these players, and there are still more players on the roster not mentioned here that will also be on the chopping block, but [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]make no mistake that all are available and the Jazz will be ready to hear all offers[/URL].

– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/24/23272050/utah-jazz-could-be-trading-more-than-just-donovan-mitchell-bojan-bogdanovic-mike-conley-clarkson"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]


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should be able to dump everyone but Gay. Stretch provision for him