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You're free to take your own advice at any time. Don't like the opposing viewpoints? Door is that way ------->
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I generally don't curse people or gang up. Because I don't need to.
The only door I see is the one you hit yourself with on the way out. Because I'm still gonna be here big boy. :oldlol:
Whether you like it or not.
You're making an argument that multiple people disagree with, hence you're being ganged up on. Emotional and playing victim at the same time. I can hear the sand falling out of your panties as we type. What a whiny bitch statement. :oldlol:
We're all still going to be here, 'big boy'. Whether you like it or not.
You're getting emotional again pheonix.
Don't you think its time to "cool" down?
(no pun intended)
Aww look, a cute attempt to try and spin words after playing victim.
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"[I]I don't like people disagreeing with me, stop it you guys!"[/I]
Still here, big boy.
One thing about this is really irritating to me. How people keep glossing over his conditioning. If I'm giving an athlete $350m, the bare MINIMUM I want from them is to be in peak physical condition, all the time. No excuses, no playing yourself into shape. Like Kenny Smith says, you don't play basketball to get in shape, you get in shape to play basketball. Luka Doncic has been an absolute disgrace with this and its only gotten worse. This is is 7th year, he's nearly 26 years old. You still have puppy fat? You still balloon in the off season? Grow the **** up and start acting like a professional.
This is where people say "he played the most minutes last year, look what numbers he's putting up!". That doesnt give him a pass. If a prodigy at school is getting B grades, you don't pat them on the back for it. You tell them they should be getting A+ across the board in their sleep. I'm not saying this was a great trade for Dallas or anything, that remains to be seen. But I am saying that with that supermax around the corner, I would hesitate as well giving it to a guy who clearly doesnt care enough about his body or perfecting his craft.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14975936]One thing about this is really irritating to me. How people keep glossing over his conditioning. If I'm giving an athlete $350m, the bare MINIMUM I want from them is to be in peak physical condition, all the time. No excuses, no playing yourself into shape. Like Kenny Smith says, you don't play basketball to get in shape, you get in shape to play basketball. Luka Doncic has been an absolute disgrace with this and its only gotten worse. This is is 7th year, he's nearly 26 years old. You still have puppy fat? You still balloon in the off season? Grow the **** up and start acting like a professional.
This is where people say "he played the most minutes last year, look what numbers he's putting up!". That doesnt give him a pass. If a prodigy at school is getting B grades, you don't pat them on the back for it. You tell them they should be getting A+ across the board in their sleep. I'm not saying this was a great trade for Dallas or anything, that remains to be seen. But I am saying that with that supermax around the corner, I would hesitate as well giving it to a guy who clearly doesnt care enough about his body or perfecting his craft.[/QUOTE]
The problem with your analogy is that he IS getting A+ grades across the board. He's been arguably the best playoff performer in the last 5 years and is fresh off a finals appearance.
Lukas game is built off size and strength with a combo of elite shooting, ball handling, and passing skills. Losing 30 pounds would not automatically unlock some sort of lost potential. He's quite literally built different. The only athletic trait he tested well for is his ability to decelerate... the same trait Harden is elite at. Harden is also a big bodied dude with the same skillet.
Crying about his weight and ignoring his actual production as a player is ****ing retarded. It's like posting a picture of Jokic with his shirt off and pretending it's somehow relevant.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14975937]The problem with your analogy is that he IS getting A+ grades across the board. He's been arguably the best playoff performer in the last 5 years and is fresh off a finals appearance.
Lukas game is built off size and strength with a combo of elite shooting, ball handling, and passing skills. Losing 30 pounds would not automatically unlock some sort of lost potential. He's quite literally built different. The only athletic trait he tested well for is his ability to decelerate... the same trait Harden is elite at. Harden is also a big bodied dude with the same skillet.
Crying about his weight and ignoring his actual production as a player is ****ing retarded. It's like posting a picture of Jokic with his shirt off and pretending it's somehow relevant.[/QUOTE]Doncic is able to be a great player in spite of his conditioning but of course he would be better if he was in shape. You and a lot of others ignore the fact that his defense is terrible. Jason Kidd himself pointed out that the Celtics had a bullseye on Doncic in the finals. There were two big benefits to that, it gave them an avenue to attack an otherwise tough defense and the energy they made Doncic expend on defense made it hard for him to take over the game late. If he was in great shape like great players normally are attacking his defense wouldn't get them as many scores and he would be better able to dominate in the fourth.
Of course he is still a great player, as the Western Conference playoffs showed there are a lot of teams that won't take advantage of that. But it's a flaw that against a great team can be costly and when the goal is a championship he will have to deal with a great team.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14975937]The problem with your analogy is that he IS getting A+ grades across the board. He's been arguably the best playoff performer in the last 5 years and is fresh off a finals appearance.
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For now. Wait until the injuries start happening more regularly and they will if he doesnt sort himself out. Let me ask you this, if Luka keeps getting niggling injuries, what's more likely? That he knuckles down and gets himself into the best shape of his life or that he comfort eats, gets lazy and piles on the pounds? He has repeatedly said throughout his career that he needs to do better with his weight and has continuously failed to do so. That means he has a big problem and is unable to stop it.
The Mavs did this trade not for what has happened but what they think is going to happen. Injuries then lack of production then decline. They all go hand in hand. This trade will either be the worst in sports history or the most ingenious piece of foresight. Again, time will tell. But I don't think the latter is as unlikely or would be as unexpected as many seem to think. The Mavs certainly think so. I've seen a lot of comments on social media saying that they think Luka may have already peaked. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14975940]Let me ask you this, if Luka keeps getting [B]niggling injuries,[/B] what's more likely? That he knuckles down and gets himself into the best shape of his life or that he comfort eats, gets lazy and piles on the pounds? He has repeatedly said throughout his career that he needs to do better with his weight and has continuously failed to do so. That means he has a big problem and is unable to stop it.
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Woah...
Are we gonna let this slide..?
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14975940]The Mavs did this trade not for what has happened but what they think is going to happen. Injuries then lack of production then decline. They all go hand in hand. This trade will either be the worst in sports history or the most ingenious piece of foresight. Again, time will tell. But I don't think the latter is as unlikely or would be as unexpected as many seem to think. The Mavs certainly think so. I've seen a lot of comments on social media saying that they think Luka may have already peaked. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
Trading away your 25 year old franchise player who's already performed at an ATG level because he "might" get injured and decline is genuinely the most retarded rationale I've ever heard.
Before this year he was perfectly durable, always playing at minimum 65+ games. I just can't imagine any scenario where this trade doesn't end up looking as disastrous as it currently does.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975939]Doncic is able to be a great player in spite of his conditioning but of course he would be better if he was in shape. You and a lot of others ignore the fact that his defense is terrible. Jason Kidd himself pointed out that the Celtics had a bullseye on Doncic in the finals. There were two big benefits to that, it gave them an avenue to attack an otherwise tough defense and the energy they made Doncic expend on defense made it hard for him to take over the game late. If he was in great shape like great players normally are attacking his defense wouldn't get them as many scores and he would be better able to dominate in the fourth.
Of course he is still a great player, as the Western Conference playoffs showed there are a lot of teams that won't take advantage of that. But it's a flaw that against a great team can be costly and when the goal is a championship he will have to deal with a great team.[/QUOTE]
They didn't lose because of Lukas lack of conditioning, they lost because the Celtics were a significantly more talented and deep team. Luka had to carry a far greater burden than anybody on the Celtics and the Mavericks overachieved by making the finals in the first place. Also he was injured in the finals
He's not just a great player, he's generational and has been arguably the best and most clutch playoff performer the last several seasons and he's only 25. They traded him for an aging Center and ONE 1st round pick 4 years from now. Mikael ****ing Bridges netted 5 1st round picks. It's genuinely the worst trade in sports history.
Crying about conditioning is just cope.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;14975940]For now. Wait until the injuries start happening more regularly and they will if he doesnt sort himself out. Let me ask you this, if Luka keeps getting niggling injuries, what's more likely? That he knuckles down and gets himself into the best shape of his life or that he comfort eats, gets lazy and piles on the pounds? He has repeatedly said throughout his career that he needs to do better with his weight and has continuously failed to do so. That means he has a big problem and is unable to stop it.
The Mavs did this trade not for what has happened but what they think is going to happen. Injuries then lack of production then decline. They all go hand in hand. This trade will either be the worst in sports history or the most ingenious piece of foresight. Again, time will tell. But I don't think the latter is as unlikely or would be as unexpected as many seem to think. The Mavs certainly think so. I've seen a lot of comments on social media saying that they think Luka may have already peaked. We'll see.[/QUOTE]
So the Mavs traded him because of potential injuries for an aging center with a far greater injury history? That's awesome logic.
Even if the worst case does pan out for Luka, they still traded him for pennies on the dollar and one 1st round pick at the peak of his value for someone older and more injury prone than him.
Its the worst trade ever and I don't need to see the future to say that.
I said it earlier i’m the thread but you don’t play 70 games at basically the highest MPG while leading the league in scoring, taking your team to the finals, with poor conditioning.
I don’t care if he weighs 250 or 350 or whatever, the results matter, and you can’t argue with his results.
You could say that about literally any player in NBA history, “they could have been in BETTER condition than they were”
It’s a similar thing with Shaq or Giannis with free throws. Yeah I guess in theory they should be able to practice morning, noon, and night and get it up to 90 or at least 85% right? But sometimes there’s theory and then there is reality.
Of course there is aways room for improvement but at some point you are who you are.
I will say there is a chance of him continuing to gain weight and it turning into injury issues…However, that is a chance you just take with a player of the caliber of Luka.
If he lost too much weight he could also get worse. He uses his weight to his advantage and it’s part of his game.
Lebron took his family with him to New York for a game? Why?
Do they travel on the team plane? 🤨
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14975945]They didn't lose because of Lukas lack of conditioning, they lost because the Celtics were a significantly more talented and deep team. Luka had to carry a far greater burden than anybody on the Celtics and the Mavericks overachieved by making the finals in the first place. Also he was injured in the finals
He's not just a great player, he's generational and has been arguably the best and most clutch playoff performer the last several seasons and he's only 25. They traded him for an aging Center and ONE 1st round pick 4 years from now. Mikael ****ing Bridges netted 5 1st round picks. It's genuinely the worst trade in sports history.
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Doncic's condition wasn't the only problem but it's a fact that the Celtics got the ball to his man as much as possible just like it's a fact that after dominating the Western playoffs the Celtics handled him. Whether he's a generational talent or not he has a flaw and it got exploited. You want to act like he's the one athlete on the planet for whom conditioning doesn't matter. Doesn't work that way.