The 2017 off-season...Hayward, Hill, Ingles...?

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[QUOTE]It really goes to show that General Manager Dennis Lindsey knows what he is doing, creating a stable environment where we do not need to worry about a coaching change every other season.[/QUOTE]

A Gm change might be in order though. Have a couple candidates in house now
The wizard? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Extending Quin Snyder

[url]http://www.ksl.com/?sid=45148020&nid=304&title=early-reports-always-just-rumors-hayward-says-during-lengthy-free-agent-discussion-with-espn[/url]

[QUOTE]"(The Celtics) are special, because of how special the fans are and how invested the organization is to winning. It's a special feeling, and for me, I wanted to try to continue that greatness to win now."[/QUOTE]

There it is. You can boo him when he comes to town and try to blame him for all of Lindsey's moves or lack thereof but he said from the beginning it was all about winning. The Jazz have never been all in. They downgraded the team after getting swept by GS and expect him to stay?

[QUOTE]"It was emotional when Greg (Miller) talked about bringing a title to Utah, bringing it for his father (Larry H. Miller), to the community." [/QUOTE]

You talk big but when it comes down to it you were cheap as always. Sign Millsap, sign Hill. Pay tax as they said they would. Hayward stays.

[QUOTE]Brian Windhorst: The Cavs have had all kind of talks with the Jazz over Melo deal, over Kevin Love deal. They

[QUOTE]Free-agent guard Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year, $2.1 million deal with the Orlando Magic, league sources told ESPN.

[QUOTE]The Atlanta Hawks have re-signed power forward Mike Muscala to a two-year, $10 million deal. The 6-foot-11 Muscala, who was an unrestricted free agent, could play a bigger role as he returns for his fifth season following the departures of Paul Millsap and Dwight Howard.

Andy Larsen: Ingles on Hayward:

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has re-signed forward Joe Ingles to a multi-year contract. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released. The 29-year-old Ingles (6-8, 226, Australia) is entering his fourth NBA campaign, all with the Jazz, and his game has continued to grow and develop since his arrival in Utah. He finished the 2016-17 averaging career-highs of 7.1 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.7 assists, while ranking third in the NBA in three-point field goal percentage (.441), in 24.1 minutes per game.

[QUOTE]Michael Scotto: Hornets worked out Norris Cole, Donald Sloan, Isaiah Canaan, Demetrius Jackson, JJ Frazier, Marcus Paige, Jared Cunningham and Nick Johnson.

[QUOTE]One league source, who has been involved in some of the due diligence on a trade for Irving, said the Cavs had heard from basically every team in the league in some capacity, with some teams being more aggressive in their pursuit of an Irving deal than others. It

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[QUOTE]If Jazz fans are looking for one gripe with Hayward

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[QUOTE]He adds that the additions of Thabo Sefolosha, Jonas Jerebko, and Ekpe Udoh (and might I add Ricky Rubio) will be similar to the additions of George Hill, Joe Johnson, and Boris Diaw last year.[/QUOTE]

except for the fact they can't shoot!

[QUOTE]The Jazz will be one of the deepest teams in the NBA next year, and hopefully get more our of their starting lineup than the pitiful 13 games last year.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully Hood will be on the bench and Favors on another team by the end of the year

[QUOTE]Bobby Marks: The Joe Ingles contract in Utah starts at $14.1M in year 1 and descends each year with a $10.8M cap hit in 20-21. Utah with $111M in salary.

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/7/26/16030936/2017-nba-offseason-joe-ingles-signs-with-utah-jazz-downbeat-kyrie-irving-lebron-james-gordon-hayward[/url]

[QUOTE]This is amazing news to hear. Not only does it show Ingles

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/26/utah-jazz-make-another-move-stand-pat/[/url]

[QUOTE]And quite frankly, I think the Jazz ought to view 2017-18 as a year in which to evaluate for the future to see which players will fit into the long term plans and which ones may need to be reevaluated. So many of them, such as Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood and Dante Exum, have a severe need to re-solidify their worth this season and given that Utah

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[QUOTE]there

[url]http://hoopshabit.com/2017/07/25/utah-jazz-3-reasons-will-make-playoffs-2017-18/[/url]

[QUOTE]Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey isn

[url]http://sircharlesincharge.com/2017/07/25/ricky-rubio-fits-utah-jazz-2017/2/[/url]

[QUOTE]Hayward was a very good defender, but the Jazz can make up for his loss on that end. Ingles, Hood and newly acquired Thabo Sefolosha gives them enough wings to hold down the spot.[/QUOTE]

now Hood defends too?

[QUOTE]Utah was 4th in defensive rebounding and Rubio will help them stay there if not improve it[/QUOTE]

will miss Hayward there

[QUOTE]Rubio will become Utah’s primary ball handler in pick-and-rolls. Expect Joe Ingles to still run some of his sexy secondary pick-and-rolls.[/QUOTE]

An where does that leave Hood who needs the ball in his hands. 6th man

[QUOTE]Rubio will form a mean pick-and-roll tandem with Gobert. The Jazz have enough shooting around them[/QUOTE]

Ingles is enough?

[QUOTE]Gobert could have a career high in points this year. He will get so many easy looks. Rubio’s passing and ability to dictate pace are perfect for Utah.[/QUOTE]

The defense will pack it in the paint with lack of shooters. Rudy did what he did last year with the floor spread

[QUOTE]Utah will have to make up for it by adding more shooting around him. That means Favors probably won’t start at the 4.[/QUOTE]

You'd think but they added no shooters other than their 5th big! Favors starts. Have to showcase him to trade him. Too bad he won't have shooters around him so he can do his things

[QUOTE]Most times, the Jazz will only keep one true big on the floor. [/QUOTE]

Except for the 15 minutes or so Favors plays with Rudy. Udoh is supposed to be able to play the 4 as well. The wings can't shoot either though!

[QUOTE]A starting five of Rubio, Hood, Ingles, Jerekbo and Gobert is solid. They are also deep with Johnson, Favors, Mitchell and Sefolosha coming off the bench.[/QUOTE]

Jonas isn't playing until they trade Favors and Johnson. Mitchel is an unproven rookie. Sefolosha should be an end of the bench defensive specialist. At least you didn't mention Exum!

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/7/27/16047904/2017-nba-offseason-nba-expansion-draft-utah-jazz-what-happens[/url]

[QUOTE]If I had to choose 8...

Rudy Gobert - no explanation needed here
Donovan Mitchell - massive wingspan, ridiculous vertical leap, great speed/quickness with high upside
Joe Ingles - solid glue guy and the best 3 and D player on the roster
Ricky Rubio - best passer and point guard on the team, can run the offense
Dante Exum - still young and athletic with a lot of potential
Rodney Hood - good catch-and-shoot threat, potential as a #2 scoring option
Derrick Favors - when healthy, he produces at an all star level
Jonas Jerebko - good versatility and all around game
Just missed the cut: Joe Johnson (I love his game, but youth is more important moving forward), Thabo Sefolosha (already had a lot of wings, needed a 3rd big), Ekpe Udoh (Jerebko offers a more versatile game than Udoh), Alec Burks (I love the guy, but he hasn

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[QUOTE] the Utah Jazz have proven in every capacity that they are a first-class organization[/QUOTE]

unless winning is important to you I guess

[QUOTE]Adi Joseph of USA Today ranked all 30 NBA teams by how much Kyrie Irving could help them. He put the Jazz at number three, in “the best fits” tier.

Hard to imagine an easier move here. The Jazz would have to give up recently acquired Ricky Rubio along with likely Rodney Hood, one of Donovan Mitchell or Dante Exum and a pick. But that hefty price would probably be worth it for a team with major offensive problems. The thing about this move is that it doesn’t seem like something the Jazz would do — they’ve built their entire team identity around defense and depth and would be sacrificing both.[/QUOTE]

Not sure I'd want to give up Mitchell. Everyone else except him and Gobert

[QUOTE]Ugghh so painful, Locke just dropped a subtle little nugget
NYK wanted to trade Porzingis for Hayward at some point…

Posted by 00ster_Lag on Jul 27, 2017 | 5:30 PM[/QUOTE]

Jazz blew that one too!

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[QUOTE]"Utah lost both Gordon Hayward and George Hill in free agency, but retained Ingles by signing him to one of the best deals of the summer," wrote Engelmann. "While he doesn't dazzle with elite athleticism, Ingles simply plays smart basketball as a quasi-point forward in the Jazz's system. He averaged 4.1 assists per 36 minutes and, on the defensive end, had a respectable steal rate of 1.8 per 36 minutes."[/QUOTE]

Can he do more at 30-34 though? They need big minutes and more from him at the price they paid and I'm not sure he has any more to give them

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/27/utah-jazz-summer-spending-future-free-agencts/[/url]

[QUOTE]I generally refrain from beating the dead horse, but here goes

[url]http://hoopshabit.com/2017/07/26/utah-jazz-can-anything-expected-alec-burks/[/url]

[QUOTE]Even when he has played, Burks has proven to be largely ineffective. Last season, he posted career-lows in minutes, points, steals and assists per game while also producing the worst three-point shooting rate (33 percent) and overall shooting percentage (40 percent) of his career.

He fell completely out of the rotation toward the end of last season, failing to appear once in Utah

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/7/28/16050868/2017-offseason-nba-utah-jazz-dante-exum-critical-season[/url]

[QUOTE]Before going down with an ankle injury, Exum was one of the more impressive players in the Salt Lake City Summer League[/QUOTE]

For 3 quarters!

[QUOTE]But slowly Dante Exum saw diminished minutes last season, and average 18.6 per game, down from the 22.2 per game as a rookie. [/QUOTE]

As a rookie he defended and they were tanking. Last year they were sort of trying to win games and he no longer defended

[QUOTE] It was one of the few questionable coaching decisions that Quin Snyder has made. There were nine games during the season that Exum didn

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/7/28/16054330/the-downbeat-kyrie-irving-jazz[/url]

[QUOTE]If Favors ever makes

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[QUOTE]Pretty hilarious stuff for two guys who surely have become fan favorites in Utah. Although Gobert is far and above the bigger star, hopefully Neto can have a solid summer training alongside his close friend and earn some playing time this season, because it would surely be fun to see the dynamic between these two guys continue on the court.[/QUOTE]

Neto is the most unappreciated guy on the team. Fan favorite? Would be great to see Neto on the court because he's good and has proven unlike others on the team

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/27/utah-jazz-derrick-favors-hard-work/[/url]

[QUOTE] Favors was once considered one of the NBA

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[QUOTE]Many felt that the minutes given to Jefferson and Paul Millsap would have been better served by Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter.[/QUOTE]

And those people are idiots! Millsap is a multi-time all-star. Hayward might still be in Utah if Millsap was on the team.

[QUOTE]2) Rudy Gobert[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE]A year ago, there was no way I was putting Rudy Gobert ahead of Memo. Following the events of last season, it’s pretty hard not to.[/QUOTE]

He's been the best center in Jazz history since December of 2014. It's not even close.

[QUOTE]If you ask me (and even if you didn’t), Mark Eaton is one of the most underrated talents in the history of the game.[/QUOTE]

I take it you never saw him play. He is highly overrated. Basically he sucked. He was big. That's it. In today's game no one would get away with playing him. I'm not sure he would have played for anyone else ever really. The Jazz were better once he was gone and they could play 5 on 5 at both ends of the court

[QUOTE]He probably deserves a statue next to John and Karl for making the team relevant in the early ’80s and helping it transform into a contender for years to come.[/QUOTE]

If the team starts giving statues out freely like it has retired numbers than what's the point? First Jerry and now the big stiff?

[QUOTE] The fact that he changed a franchise (much like Gobert) [/QUOTE]

He changed the franchise? Not A.D., Griffith, Green, Thurl?
Rich Kelley is number 2. Tage #3. Okur # 4. I guess the black hole #5. Sad!

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/28/the-utah-jazz-are-facing-a-derrick-favors-dilemma/[/url]

[QUOTE]George Hill ended up opting to join the ranks of the Sacramento Kings this summer, which was an interesting way for Utah

[url]http://hoopshabit.com/2017/07/28/utah-jazz-chopping-block/[/url]

[QUOTE]This assumes that second round pick Nigel Williams-Goss, whose contract is non-guaranteed for next season, will either be released or possibly made the Jazz

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[QUOTE]UTA gets: Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson

CLE gets: Rudy Gobert, Dennis Schroder

ATL gets: Joe Johnson, Dante Exum[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE]While Tristan Thompson isn’t the same caliber player as Gobert, there isn’t too steep a drop-off in production statistically speaking – 9.2 TRPG last season for Thompson, 12.8 TRPG for Gobert; 3.9 ORPG for Gobert, 3.7 ORPG for Thompson. Obviously I can pick and choose stats to make my case, but check them out if you don’t believe me. [/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE]….. Utah will be making sweet music with Kyrie, Mitchell, Rodney Hood, Ingles, Thompson……[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Why Cleveland Does It[/QUOTE]

Because they win it all. No mention of Rudy n why they do it though!

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Gold and orange? :coleman:

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[QUOTE] Is it possible that the Jazz run too deep?[/QUOTE]

I thought that might be the case last year but in the end all that were left standing were Hayward and Rudy so no espeically since few can actually shoot and score the basketball

[QUOTE]On top of that, the Jazz are hoping to have a healthy Alec Burks and Derrick Favors for the start of the season.[/QUOTE]

Is Alec going to be healthy? Someone wrote that he'd still be rehabbing but I'm not sure if true or speculation though?

[QUOTE]This all sounds great and the Jazz look substantially better than last season at the tail end of their roster.[/QUOTE]

highly debatable

[QUOTE]Mitchell can also play either guard position as he showed in the summer league.[/QUOTE]

can he? In Summer league he can. He should be considered a G-leaguer until he proves otherwise. I think ideally him or Exum starts at the 2 but he needs to earn it bot be given it

[QUOTE]As of now, the Utah Jazz

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/30/utah-jazz-best-caseworst-case-scenario-series-raul-neto/[/url]

[QUOTE]Barring an unforeseen shakeup, the Utah Jazz roster heading into 2017-18 is all but set. [/QUOTE]

3 more spots but don't let that stop you!

[QUOTE]I

[QUOTE]The United-Thunder game is one of three that NBL teams will play against NBA teams this preseason in the U.S., according to The Telegraph

[QUOTE]The Daily Telegraph can reveal the NBL has struck an agreement for the Sydney Kings, Melbourne United and the Brisbane Bullets to take on NBA teams in preseason clashes in the US in October. The Kings will clash with the Utah Jazz in Salt Lake City on October 3, pitting Australian internationals Kevin Lisch and Brad Newley up against fellow Boomers Joe Ingles and Dante Exum.

Newley is one of the better Aussie players right?

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/07/31/three-post-free-agency-questions-for-the-utah-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]While there are still a few recognizable free agents left on the market (Deron Williams, Shabazz Muhammad, JaMychal Green (res.), Nerlens Noel (res.)), none really move the needle much.[/QUOTE]

Green should be starting for them. Why would they want a shooter like Shabzz :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Looking through the current Jazz roster, it is obvious there will not be a dip on the defensive end this next season. [/QUOTE]

There could be because the offense is so bad. Makes it tougher on the defense

[QUOTE]Rubio is one of the best fast break point guards in the league[/QUOTE]

except he sucks in transition! :facepalm

[QUOTE]The results were extremely encouraging for the Jazz next season. In the past 10 seasons, 11 teams have finished within the bottom 20 percent of pace, and also the top 20 percent in 3-point attempts.[/QUOTE]

The Jazz don't have the shooters though :wtf:

[QUOTE]If the Jazz increase the turnovers they create on defense, continue with their slow style of play and have an uptick in 3-point attempts, their offense could remain above average enough to keep them in the fight for a playoff spot.[/QUOTE]

Who's shooting the 3's and why?

[QUOTE]It

[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247074/Hawks-Waive-Diamond-Stone[/url]

He might be a good get for the other two way. He's very young and played a lot with the Stars so they are familiar with him. Big kid that even shot some 3's

The National Basketball Association (NBA) and the National Basketball League (NBL) today announced that the Sydney Kings, Melbourne United and the Brisbane Bullets will take part in the 2017 NBA preseason in October, marking the first time that NBL teams will travel to the U.S. to play against NBA teams.

Got to wonder if Diamond Stone had some off the court issues. He's very young and the Hawks are rebuilding.