[QUOTE=aj1987]Hey Lazers, did Wilt ever have a 50-40 game? If not, what's the closest that he has ever gotten?[/QUOTE]
Just off the top of my head, in his 2nd highest scoring game of 78 points he grabbed 43 rebounds
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[QUOTE=aj1987]Hey Lazers, did Wilt ever have a 50-40 game? If not, what's the closest that he has ever gotten?[/QUOTE]
Just off the top of my head, in his 2nd highest scoring game of 78 points he grabbed 43 rebounds
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Look, we got off on the wrong foot (and mostly my fault BTW.)
I can see you are an intelligent poster, and you obviously have done your research. You bring up valid points, and argue them well.
We can go back and forth until the cows come home, but I am tired right now. For the moment, at least, let's just agree to disagree.
:cheers:
We can continue these discussions tomorrow night if you like...[/QUOTE]
Maybe in the future, but for now I learned some things from you in this thread and I need to process it ;) Mostly how bad Wilt's supporting cast was - but I will examine it further and I will look into how his supporting casts and team results can be compared to Hakeem's and KG's situation, because usually people who criticize Wilt the most at the same time value KG and HO very much.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Hey Lazers, did Wilt ever have a 50-40 game? If not, what's the closest that he has ever gotten?[/QUOTE]
Here's a cool little page, dunno if it is 1-0-0 per cent accurate but
[url]http://www.sporcle.com/games/mstanek28/30reb30pts[/url]
see how you do on the quiz!!
[QUOTE=trueDS]Maybe in the future, but for now I learned some things from you in this thread and I need to process it ;) Mostly how bad Wilt's supporting cast was - but I will examine it further and I will look into how his supporting casts and team results can be compared to Hakeem's and KG's situation, because usually people who criticize Wilt the most at the same time value KG and HO very much.[/QUOTE]
Don't ever trust Lazeruss, he's the biggest clown on this site.
He lies and cherry picks stats so Wilt will look even better and he belittles other players and Wilt's teammates all the time.
Lazeruss had an old account called "[B]Jlauber[/B]" and he started his new account because people got tired of his lies and myths which he tried to make to reality. Lazeruss is even so obsessed that he started a new account called "[B]Houston[/B]" last month to belittle the other centers which Wilt was compared to. He is a clown.
And don't ever believe his nonsense about Wilt's "bad" teammates and don't for one second believe that he was in a same situation as KG and Hakeem because that is just false and stupid.
We are talking about the same guy who was carried offensively when he got his first ring and Wilt[B][/B]'s teammates put up following stats in the '67 finals:
[B]
Greer: 26 points (39% FG), 8 rebounds and 6 assists
Walker: 23 points (45% FG), 8.8 rebounds and 3.3 assists
Jones: 20.2 points (45% FG) 3.5 rebounds and 5.3 assists
Cunningham: 19.7 points (45% FG), 5.7 rebounds and 3 assist[/B]
And overall he had alot, alot of talent next to him, don't believe the garbage Lazeruss is trying to brainwash you with. Wilt played with a total of 9 HALL OF FAME players during his career and he played with 2 HOF:ers or more in 12 of his 14 seasons in the NBA.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Hey Lazers, did Wilt ever have a 50-40 game? If not, what's the closest that he has ever gotten?[/QUOTE]
FIVE 50-40 games, and a total of EIGHT 40-40 games (including one against Russell.) And CavsFan was right... a 78-43 game, as well.
[QUOTE=trueDS]Maybe in the future, but for now I learned some things from you in this thread and I need to process it ;) Mostly how bad Wilt's supporting cast was - but I will examine it further and I will look into how his supporting casts and team results can be compared to Hakeem's and KG's situation, because usually people who criticize Wilt the most at the same time value KG and HO very much.[/QUOTE]
I'll cover Hakeem's post-seasons, and particularly his two Finals later on tonight. Needless to say, his first title run was over-rated (and the best player in the league took the year off), and in his next Finals, his TEAMMATES just shelled Shaq's. In fact, his teammates collectively had as higher eFG% and TS% than Hakeem did (Hakeem's was BELOW the post-season league average in both BTW.)
[QUOTE=millwad]Don't ever trust Lazeruss, he's the biggest clown on this site.
He lies and cherry picks stats so Wilt will look even better and he belittles other players and Wilt's teammates all the time.
Lazeruss had an old account called "[B]Jlauber[/B]" and he started his new account because people got tired of his lies and myths which he tried to make to reality. Lazeruss is even so obsessed that he started a new account called "[B]Houston[/B]" last month to belittle the other centers which Wilt was compared to. He is a clown.
And don't ever believe his nonsense about Wilt's "bad" teammates and don't for one second believe that he was in a same situation as KG and Hakeem because that is just false and stupid.
We are talking about the same guy who was carried offensively when he got his first ring and Wilt[B][/B]'s teammates put up following stats in the '67 finals:
[B]
Greer: 26 points (39% FG), 8 rebounds and 6 assists
Walker: 23 points (45% FG), 8.8 rebounds and 3.3 assists
Jones: 20.2 points (45% FG) 3.5 rebounds and 5.3 assists
Cunningham: 19.7 points (45% FG), 5.7 rebounds and 3 assist[/B]
And overall he had alot, alot of talent next to him, don't believe the garbage Lazeruss is trying to brainwash you with. Wilt played with a total of 9 HALL OF FAME players during his career and he played with 2 HOF:ers or more in 12 of his 14 seasons in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I'll cover Hakeem's post-seasons, and particularly his two Finals later on tonight. Needless to say, his first title run was over-rated (and the best player in the league took the year off), and in his next Finals, his TEAMMATES just shelled Shaq's. In fact, his teammates collectively had as higher eFG% and TS% than Hakeem did (Hakeem's was BELOW the post-season league average in both BTW.)[/QUOTE]
Haha, this is laughable.
You're the same clown who created the account "[B]Houston[/B]" here at Insidehoops just to write bogus about Olajuwon.
Let us guess, you're not biased at all..
If you guys have missed it, Lazeruss ([B]Jlauber[/B]) has had this fetisch with writing lies and bogus about Olajuwon just because people at Insidehoops started to compare him with Wilt.
[B]He got exposed time after time and since he's going to try to break down the finals for you guys tonight, let me tell you this. He didn't even see the games at all and he got exposed for it a long time ago.
[/B]
And last but not least, here is Lazeruss alt account, "Houston".
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=301097[/url]
:roll: @ everyone praising YMCA stats.
It puzzles me how LAZERUSS cites Wilt's FG% and his teammates' and then pretends there is absolutely no link between them. Wilt's style of play AFFECTED his teammates.
Is it a coincidence that when Wilt shot less his teams did much better? In 65-66 the Sixers had an ORtg of 95.3 (6th of 9 teams) and in 66-67 the team had an ORtg of 101.5 (1st of 10 teams). Wilt went from 25 shots to 14 shots a game. Despite being the best and most efficient scorer on his team when he took fewer shots (and his awful awful teammates took more), the Sixers became an offensive juggernaut. Explain to me why that was the case kind sir...
A similar though smaller jump in ORtg was also seen between the 70-71 and 71-72 seasons. Wilt again decided to shoot less and focus on rebounding, defense, and outlet passing.
Of course we know that in 67-68 and 72-73 Wilt got carried away and started shooting too little even when his teams needed him. Both Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman were puzzled at Wilt's lack of aggression at times.
[QUOTE=dankok8]It puzzles me how LAZERUSS cites Wilt's FG% and his teammates' and then pretends there is absolutely no link between them. Wilt's style of play AFFECTED his teammates.
Is it a coincidence that when Wilt shot less his teams did much better? In 65-66 the Sixers had an ORtg of 95.3 (6th of 9 teams) and in 66-67 the team had an ORtg of 101.5 (1st of 10 teams). Wilt went from 25 shots to 14 shots a game. Despite being the best and most efficient scorer on his team when he took fewer shots (and his awful awful teammates took more), the Sixers became an offensive juggernaut. Explain to me why that was the case kind sir...
A similar though smaller jump in ORtg was also seen between the 70-71 and 71-72 seasons. Wilt again decided to shoot less and focus on rebounding, defense, and outlet passing.
Of course we know that in 67-68 and 72-73 Wilt got carried away and started shooting too little even when his teams needed him. Both Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman were puzzled at Wilt's lack of aggression at times.[/QUOTE]
This is what I've been trying to say. For example, Allen Iverson. He regularly suppressed his teammates scoring by shooting so much, that by the end of the game, no teammate had enough confidence to help out in scoring. This happened a lot and so many good scorers/players/teammates fell by the wayside and dismissed as not good enough. Meanwhile, lesser players contribute on other title teams because the superstar is less unselfish.(BTW I don't believe apg alone is a good stat in knowing who is and who isn't a selfish player. Players who "glue" the team together with passes that lead to assist passes are valuable too)
Now, I am not saying this is what happened in wilt's case, but it is a possibility. What i have also been trying to say is this---the bottom line is winning. Winning players know how to create the proper chemistry on the court. It's an intangible of knowing when to feed your teammates, and when you as the superstar need to take over. And really, the only way to know who the best players are in creating these winning conditions is to have watched the games themselves in real time. Not highlights. Not stats.
[QUOTE=dankok8]It puzzles me how LAZERUSS cites Wilt's FG% and his teammates' and then pretends there is absolutely no link between them. Wilt's style of play AFFECTED his teammates.
Is it a coincidence that when Wilt shot less his teams did much better? In 65-66 the Sixers had an ORtg of 95.3 (6th of 9 teams) and in 66-67 the team had an ORtg of 101.5 (1st of 10 teams). Wilt went from 25 shots to 14 shots a game. Despite being the best and most efficient scorer on his team when he took fewer shots (and his awful awful teammates took more), the Sixers became an offensive juggernaut. Explain to me why that was the case kind sir...
A similar though smaller jump in ORtg was also seen between the 70-71 and 71-72 seasons. Wilt again decided to shoot less and focus on rebounding, defense, and outlet passing.
Of course we know that in 67-68 and 72-73 Wilt got carried away and started shooting too little even when his teams needed him. Both Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman were puzzled at Wilt's lack of aggression at times.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that Lazeruss is the most biased fan around, he won't accept Wilt getting any criticism at all.
He has excuses and irrelevant replies to every single thing. According to him, nothing of Wilt's failures was because of Wilt himself. It was his teammates fault, his coaches, his injuries, the media, the era, the opposing players and the list goes on.
[QUOTE=millwad]Don't ever trust Lazeruss, he's the biggest clown on this site.
He lies and cherry picks stats so Wilt will look even better and he belittles other players and Wilt's teammates all the time. [/QUOTE]
You proclaimed him dead last year and even created a thread about it. Should rethink who's the biggest clown here. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=millwad] We are talking about the same guy who was carried offensively when he got his first ring and Wilt[B][/B]'s teammates put up following stats in the '67 finals:
[B]
Greer: 26 points (39% FG), 8 rebounds and 6 assists
Walker: 23 points (45% FG), 8.8 rebounds and 3.3 assists
Jones: 20.2 points (45% FG) 3.5 rebounds and 5.3 assists
Cunningham: 19.7 points (45% FG), 5.7 rebounds and 3 assist[/B] [/QUOTE]
You are gonna deny the fact that Wilt was the best player in '67 finals ? Seriously ... :facepalm
[QUOTE=millwad]"... don't believe the garbage Lazeruss is trying to brainwash you with. [/QUOTE]
And thrust millwad. He is as credible poster as one could be ...:rockon:
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[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I will address this as quickly as I can...
take a look at Syracuse's and Wilt's Warriors SRS in '61. While Chamberlain's team went 46-33, and the Nats could only go 38-41, the Nats actually had a higher SRS (1.92 to Philly's 0.88.)
And I don't have the Nats statistical breakdown in that series, but I do know that, aside from Chamberlain, the Warriors collectively shot .332 from the field (in a post-season NBA that shot .403.) And again, the three games were close (margins of 8, 1, and 3 points.)[/QUOTE]
wake me up when wilt has more playoff wins than shaq.
……kinda hard considering, well, shaq was a winner……why is he so important to you?…..and thanks for admitting the value in what every center besides wilt was. punch yourself in the face,mental midget…..im the genius here