ISH all-time draft thread

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937847]From top to bottom, you have a better defensive team. I just feel the fit is better on his end. Good luck getting the ball back from McHale once he receives a pass in the post. :lol

If you replaced Kobe with someone like Klay, I would like your team alot better. He would give you better shooting, isn't a high usage player, & provides good defense. There is no need for a Kobe with a team like this.[/QUOTE]

Kobe with low usage can play as good if not better D than Klay. Klay is only a better spot up 3pt shooter. Kobe literally does everything else on offense better.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14937891][B]Kobe with low usage [/B]can play as good if not better D than Klay. Klay is only a better spot up 3pt shooter. Kobe literally does everything else on offense better.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't exist. Kobe forced Steve Nash of all people to be a spot up shooter, it wasn't that long ago, we remember.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14937891]Kobe with low usage can play as good if not better D than Klay. Klay is only a better spot up 3pt shooter. Kobe literally does everything else on offense better.[/QUOTE]

Kobe on the Redeem team made it a point to take the toughest cover on defense every single game. And had no problem sacrificing offensive energy to do it. Even though he closed out the championship game on offense anyway to bring USA back the Gold Medal.

There's a reason realGM voted that team as a top candidate along with imagine and DJ.

[QUOTE=tpols;14937894]Kobe on the Redeem team made it a point to take the toughest cover on defense every single game. And had no problem sacrificing offensive energy to do it. There's a reason realGM voted that team as a top candidate along with imagine and DJ.[/QUOTE]
He also made it a point to chuck up bricks instead of passing it to his more efficient teammates.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14937895]He also made it a point to chuck up bricks instead of passing it to his more efficient teammates.[/QUOTE]

If Kobe was such a bad player how did he lead so many great offenses post-Shaq?

[QUOTE=tpols;14937894]Kobe on the Redeem team made it a point to take the toughest cover on defense every single game. And had no problem sacrificing offensive energy to do it. Even though he closed out the championship game on offense anyway to bring USA back the Gold Medal.

There's a reason realGM voted that team as a top candidate along with imagine and DJ.[/QUOTE]

That’s a misconception. Kobe had the most shot attempts on that team while taking a “lesser role”. :lol

At the end of the day he couldn’t help himself. I believe Kobe is at his best with another superstar who isn’t ball-dominant. I think his value drops on a team filled with stars.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937940]That’s a misconception. Kobe had the most shot attempts on that team while taking a “lesser role”. :lol

At the end of the day he couldn’t help himself. I believe Kobe is at his best with another superstar who isn’t ball-dominant. I think his value drops on a team filled with stars.[/QUOTE]

Agree with this. Kobe in any situation is gonna demand a lot of touches with average playmaking and below average IQ. Not good for team synergy or efficiency. Defensively he'd be very solid though.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937940]That’s a misconception. Kobe had the most shot attempts on that team while taking a “lesser role”. :lol

At the end of the day he couldn’t help himself. I believe Kobe is at his best with another superstar who isn’t ball-dominant. I think his value drops on a team filled with stars.[/QUOTE]
Yep, took THIRTY FOUR more shots than Wade only to score 8 less points :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14937949]Yep, took THIRTY FOUR more shots than Wade only to score 8 less points :lol[/QUOTE]

For what it’s worth, I felt like your team was way underrated mainly due to AD and Wade getting underrated. Wade being able to shoot 67% while leading the redeem team in scoring and at the same time being their best perimeter defender shows he can conform to a multiple superstar setting(if Heatles wasn’t proof enough but he was old for most of that era). Wade can punch way above his weight class in terms of players he can guard, and between him, AD, and Hakeem you have 3 guys who can each switch everything defensively while being 30 ppg capable on their own teams. They aren’t shooting anyone off the court, but all 3 shoot well enough to keep the defense honest.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937957]For what it’s worth, I felt like your team was way underrated mainly due to AD and Wade getting underrated. Wade being able to shoot 67% while leading the redeem team in scoring and at the same time being their best perimeter defender shows he can conform to a multiple superstar setting(if Heatles wasn’t proof enough but he was old for most of that era). Wade can punch way above his weight class in terms of players he can guard, and between him, AD, and Hakeem you have 3 guys who can each switch everything defensively while being 30 ppg capable on their own teams. They aren’t shooting anyone off the court, but all 3 shoot well enough to keep the defense honest.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I feel like my team was very well constructed. Wade/AD/Hakeem as my core 3, all elite two way players, Tatum providing additional scoring, defense & spacing, Price providing shooting and playmaking, Butler off the bench, and two other HOF's who fit in nicely in Dumars & Bosh. Only one vote to show for it though :lol

I do think a reddit thread would've been good as well.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14937927]If Kobe was such a bad player how did he lead so many great offenses post-Shaq?[/QUOTE]
Who said he was bad? Not very useful playing with other ball dominant perimeter players though.

[QUOTE=dankok8;14937927]If Kobe was such a bad player how did he lead so many great offenses post-Shaq?[/QUOTE]

Woke.

Kobe's style of play (off-ball, late shot-clock tough shot-making) was often conducive to a lower [i]team[/i] turnover percentage and higher [i]team[/i] offensive rebounding percentage. So, even when eFG% and FTr were lower, LA could still produce efficient offense.

LA 05-13: +2.61 rORtg
LA 97-04: +4.2 rORtg

Two-year peak:

- 08+09: +5.0 rORtg
- 98+99: +6.15 rORtg (lock-out shortened season)
- 01+02: +5.15 rORtg

A not-so-steep drop-off considering the lack of offensive talent in comparison.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14938023]Woke.

Kobe's style of play (off-ball, late shot-clock tough shot-making) was often conducive to a lower [i]team[/i] turnover percentage and higher [i]team[/i] offensive rebounding percentage. So, even when eFG% and FTr were lower, LA could still produce efficient offense.

LA 05-13: +2.61 rORtg
LA 97-04: +4.2 rORtg

Two-year peak:

- 08+09: +5.0 rORtg
- 98+99: +6.15 rORtg (lock-out shortened season)
- 01+02: +5.15 rORtg

A not-so-steep drop-off considering the lack of offensive talent in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Weird giving him credit for the Shaq years when you yourself pointed out their record was bad when Shaq didn't play and Kobe did but still elite when Shaq played and Kobe didn't. But I know you're just moving from opinion to opinion to stir up shit as you always do.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14938024]Weird giving him credit for the Shaq years when you yourself pointed out their record was bad when Shaq didn't play and Kobe did but still elite when Shaq played and Kobe didn't. But I know you're just moving from opinion to opinion to stir up shit as you always do.[/QUOTE]

You're not really making sense here. I'm giving credit to Kobe for the years [i]without[/i] Shaq.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14938025]You're not really making sense here. I'm giving credit to Kobe for the years [i]without[/i] Shaq.[/QUOTE]
You included years with Shaq. Your favorite stat RAPM is extremely low on Kobe btw...He grades out as a Kyrie level player