The 2017 off-season...Hayward, Hill, Ingles...?

[QUOTE]Nets Daily: Keep hearing Nets interested in trading for, not signing, a big. Opens field up a bit but makes guesswork harder. 🤷🏻*♂️

[QUOTE]Free agent Bogut has said around four unnamed teams have shown interest in his services but his future remains unknown ahead of the season start in late October. Jazz star Ingles has no doubt the 32-year-old Bogut would be a valuable asset after playing key roles for Milwaukee, Golden State and Dallas since joining the NBA as No.1 draft pick in 2005.

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[QUOTE]In Dennis Lindsey We Trust[/QUOTE]

speak for yourself!

[QUOTE]This offseason cannot be graded by one singular indecision[/QUOTE]

Sure it can. The decision to be cheap and let Hill go and not upgrade the team made Hayward's decision an easy one.

[QUOTE]This is pretty amazing work by Dennis to get team options on not 1, not 2, but all 3 contracts.[/QUOTE]

Would be amazing if they could shoot the ball but the fact that they can't except for 5th big Jonas doesn't make it anything special

[QUOTE]The Jazz can match salary in basically any trade, have desirable contracts[/QUOTE]

Which contracts are desirable other than Rudy?

[QUOTE] Let

Breaking News: President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director Steve Starks: There is nothing about Trump

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[QUOTE] Paul Millsap would become a four-time All-Star, neither were difference-makers in the likeness of Gobert[/QUOTE]

Millsap would have been a difference maker especially next to Rudy and Hayward. They blew it big time all so Enes and Favors could play! :rant

[QUOTE]Regardless of the Jazz approach to rebuilding, with the current design of the roster and structure of future contracts, the timeline for returning to contention should be significantly abbreviated compared to the most recent iteration.[/QUOTE]

don't count on it with the wizard in charge of things

[url]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865685785/Rock-On-Gordon-Haywards-prison-break.html[/url]

[QUOTE]If he truly was the franchise player, Hayward reasoned, why not simply lock him up?[/QUOTE]

He wasn't a franchise player until the playoffs last year. Looked like an overpay at the time

[QUOTE]Maybe because the Jazz tried to do that in 2017

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/01/utah-jazz-best-caseworst-case-scenario-series-joel-bolomboy/[/url]

[QUOTE]The simple best case scenario for Joel Bolomboy is that he remains under contract with the Jazz, but if he does so, beyond that hopefully he can fine tune his skills to the degree where the Jazz feel comfortable playing him more than just in garbage time. That still doesn

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[QUOTE]he was among the league

[QUOTE]Perhaps Johnson and Pelinka

[QUOTE]Rick Bonnell: Source: @Charlotte Hornets signing UNC

Maybe Wallace is going to get a two way deal too so the Jazz let him go? Really don't understand either move. Stash guys like the Spurs until they are too old to be an asset anymore. And then they traded Hanlan who looked good for an over the Hill Diaw and threw in another pick as well. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]Scott Kushner: Sources said G Ian Clark has signed with the #Pelicans on a one year, minimum guaranteed contract.

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[QUOTE]The key to whether Hood will have a successful year in 2017-18 will be how quickly Quin Snyder can get him involved in the flow of the game. Getting Hood involved early with easy looks (layups and catch-and-shoot threes were the best results) will make him much more likely to have

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[QUOTE]Utah inherently has a disadvantage in the NBA market. Gordon Hayward

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/02/utah-jazz-oddsmakers-spurn-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

[QUOTE]The post-summer league ROY odds from Bovada currently have LA Lakers point-man Lonzo Ball as the odds-on favorite at 2/1. Next in line is Dennis Smith, followed by Ben Simmons and Jayson Tatum. This year

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[QUOTE]While I certainly agree that losing out on a star player like Hayward is a setback, I think it shouldn

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[QUOTE]Former NBL MVP Joe Ingles began his professional career in the league while fellow Australian, Dante Exum, also has an affiliation with many of its players. Those two, in particular, will be certainties to take the court when the NBL side

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[QUOTE]After Hayward

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[QUOTE]If he doesn

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/03/utah-jazz-espn-projects-45-wins/[/url]

[QUOTE]Even with All-NBA center Rudy Gobert still on the roster, some pundits are sleeping on the Jazz.

SportsLine, for example, projected the Jazz as a 38-win team last month. And with a litany of Western Conference playoff teams making major roster improvements, it

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[QUOTE]Although Hayward

[url]https://hoopshabit.com/2017/08/02/dennis-lindseys-shrewd-contracts-make-utah-jazzs-future-flexible/[/url]

[QUOTE]All the moves they had made over the past year

[url]https://hoopshabit.com/2017/08/02/utah-jazz-joe-ingles-wants-andrew-bogut-2017-18/[/url]

[QUOTE]Assuming Bogut wants to remain in the NBA, it won

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/02/utah-jazz-joe-ingles-wants-andrew-bogut/[/url]

[QUOTE]They were clearly willing to eat one contract when inking Royce O

[QUOTE]Katz: Did you have that same mentality when you were in Utah and you actually got traded? Do you feel like you

[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent forward Luke Babbitt has agreed to a one-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league source tells ESPN.

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[QUOTE]People close to Rubio explained the downturn by citing what was happening off the floor. Rubio had grown close to Minnesota head coach Flip Saunders, bonding over the shared experiences of Saunders' Hodgkin lymphoma and Rubio's mother's lung cancer. Saunders died in October 2015, and the entire Minnesota organization went through the 2015-16 season in a grieving process under head coach Sam Mitchell.

But new team president and head coach Tom Thibodeau wanted to move forward — understandably. But Rubio wasn't quite ready: his mother passed away in May 2016 and Rubio invested his grieving energy into Spain's Rio Olympic campaign. By the time the season came around, Rubio needed a break.

Thibodeau wasn't going to give him one. Known for his never-ending deep yelling at players throughout games, practices, shootarounds, and everything else, Thibodeau's habits grated on a tired Rubio.

The coach changed the offense, taking the ball out of Rubio's hands somewhat. In October, a report came out that Thibodeau planned to make Kris Dunn his starting point guard 20 games into the season. And two games into the season, Rubio sprained his elbow, adding injury to insult. Rubio said the injury affected him throughout the first half of the season.[/QUOTE]

At least he has lots of excuses. Should fit right in.

[QUOTE]And after that, he was on fire.

For the rest of the season, Rubio averaged 16 points per game on 42 percent shooting.[/QUOTE]

42% is on fire? I guess if Trey Burke is the standard maybe

[QUOTE]The difference could not be more stark: Hill's strengths are usually off the ball, where he's an excellent catch-and-shoot finisher and attacker. [/QUOTE]

His strengths were that he fit right in being able to play with and without the ball like almost all of their non bigs could.

[QUOTE]Rubio did really benefit from the spacing that Karl-Anthony Towns' shooting ability provided in Minnesota, and their pick-and-pop play was maybe Minnesota's most reliable scoring weapon. [/QUOTE]

Exactly. Minnesota couldn't shoot either but they did have a stretch big which the Jazz only have off the bench

[QUOTE]"I think I can really help him play at an All-Star level," Rubio said of Gobert.[/QUOTE]

Way to go! He was already all-NBA without you :facepalm

[QUOTE]Rubio's offensive problems are real, but they're in two areas: his catch-and-shoot ability and his weirdly awful layup game. To be sure, Rubio is one of the worst players in the league in both categories. Teams help off of him when he's spotting up anywhere[/QUOTE]

And that's huge. If I'm the other team the only guy I start the game guarding on the perimeter is Ingles.

[QUOTE]Part of Rubio's renaissance over the second part of last season was hitting catch-and-shoot jumpers at 60 percent effective field goal percentage, which was even higher than Hill's season mark of 59 percent. It is reasonable to be skeptical that that improvement can last for a whole season.[/QUOTE]

Why be skeptical when the wizard thinks he is the man?

[QUOTE]the Jazz are impressively confident they can change Rubio's finishing around the rim in a meaningful way. Two seasons ago, Rubio shot just 33 percent on layups, which is crazy, but he's improved all the way to 50 percent over the last two campaigns. That's still bad, but better. The Jazz's coaching staff believes that with drills and technique he can improve on that to become somewhere near league average — 55 or 60 percent or so.[/QUOTE]

The same drills that have Exum and Neto so effective at the rim? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE] Last year, the Jazz had the third-best defense in the league but were just 25th in forcing turnovers.That figures to change in 2017-18 in a big way. Rubio has led the league in three of his six seasons in steal percentage, the percentage of opponent possessions where Rubio steals the ball away. Add Donovan Mitchell's talent (he picked up a summer-league record number of steals this July), Thabo Sefolosha's game (he was fifth in the league in steal percentage last season, tied with Draymond Green), and more playing time for Ingles (led the Jazz in steals last year) to that calculus. All of a sudden, the Jazz could be one of the best teams in the league at forcing turnovers.[/QUOTE]

How much will Sefolosha play without a shot? Mitchell could be in the G-league. Can Ingles be effective in more minutes?

[QUOTE]"As you guys know, Quin trains and builds great habits."

The Jazz feel they can get Rubio back to elite defensive status.[/QUOTE]

So what about Exum, Burke, Kanter, etc.?

[QUOTE]Jazz fans remember the 2015-16 season when poor performances in close games cost Utah a playoff berth.

Minnesota's been doing that for six years running. They've underperformed their point-differential win-loss total by 25 games over the course of Rubio's six seasons, and there are some that believe Rubio is primarily at fault. The Minnesota Star-Tribune wrote:

"Crunch time on offense often requires a player to beat his man off the dribble to score or... make a tough shot. Those are not Rubio’s strengths, and the Wolves have often struggled to get good shots (and therefore score) in the clutch as a result."

Now, to defend Rubio, the biggest issue with the Wolves in clutch situations has been primarily defensive, something that the Jazz should be able to figure out much better than Minnesota, thanks to Gobert at the helm.

The Jazz will give Rubio chances to show that the problems were Minnesota's, not his. There's statistical evidence that shows clutch performance should revert to the mean. But if not, the Jazz could end games without Rubio on the floor.[/QUOTE]

The front office cost them the playoffs by having Burke instead of a vet on the team. They will have trouble scoring down the stretch. Will cost them many games. Should he be on the team if you can't finish games with him?

[QUOTE]There's reason to be optimistic here: if you can meld together the best stretches of Rubio's career, he could be an All-Star caliber player. A top-five passer with the pull-up game of the last two seasons, an aggressive catch-and-shoot game like after the deadline last year, and the defense of 2015-16, well, that'd be something special.

Something like a 2017 Jason Kidd?

"Jason Kidd is a big example where he improved his shot and then he became one of the best point guards," Rubio said. "The confidence they've shown for me from the beginning is awesome, and now I have to answer with good games. I have confidence in me."

For Rubio, now is the time to put it all together.[/QUOTE]

Kidd wouldn't fit either. Let's be realistic.

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[QUOTE]It was one of the topics the Utah Jazz president discussed on a Wednesday radio interview on 1280 The Zone

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[QUOTE]Utah Jazz will have issues with floor spacing next season[/QUOTE]

Ya think?

[QUOTE]Based purely on the losses Utah suffered this offseason (Hayward and Hill) and the signings made — Ricky Rubio, Thabo Sefolosha and Jonas Jerebko — the Jazz are expected to make slightly over 22 threes per game, which would place them among the three-worst shooting teams in the NBA. This, of course, does not include the incoming production of Donovan Mitchell, who hasn’t recorded any statistics so thus cannot be used in the projections.[/QUOTE]

Jonas is the 5th big. No guarantee Thabo plays either

[QUOTE]With a lineup of Hill, Rodney Hood, Hayward, Derrick Favors and Gobert (the team’s starting lineup last year), the Jazz had a spacing rating of 73.5. That rating, which Nick Sciria created to measure the success of varying lineups in terms of 3-point shooting, will dip to roughly 63.3 with the lineup Snyder is expected to trot out next season, which consists of swapping Hill out for Rubio and replacing Hayward with Hood in the starting lineup. If the projection holds true, the Jazz would go from being one of the league’s most efficient shooting teams to simply mediocre.[/QUOTE]

Ingles likely starts. Hopefully Hood won't but it sounds like he's the man in their opinion. Mediocre would look good right now. I'd say they could be awful

[QUOTE]Finding Hood, who led the Jazz in threes attempted per game last season, and Ingles will be Rubio’s offensive priority.[/QUOTE]

Hood would be better off taking less 3's and getting to the hole. Ingles is a role player!

[QUOTE] If the targets (Hood, Ingles, Mitchell, Joe Johnson and Alec Burks) aren’t hitting the shots consistently, the offense will have to become more complicated, since defenses will be looser on the perimeter, making life more difficult for Gobert inside.[/QUOTE]

Mitchell wasn't a great shooter in college. And Favors inside as well. It's ugly!

[QUOTE]The Jazz wanted to find a couple of players known for their ability to knock down the outside shot, but the options weren’t available.[/QUOTE]

Sure they were. Another was signed today. For some reason the Jazz think it's 1997 again.

[QUOTE]Sefolosha, Jerebko and Rubio are all somewhat versatile and have “Jazz DNA.”[/QUOTE]

The first two might not even play. Jonas probably won't at least to start the year. Rubio has Sloan Jazz DNA anyway

[QUOTE]However, none of them will push the Jazz enough to keep their recent trend of increased shooting going. It will be up to the players that were already on the roster, like Hood and Ingles, to make up for what the Jazz lost this summer.[/QUOTE]

No they will need more from the new guys. The idea that Hood will somehow be more efficient with more shots or that Ingles will suddenly be more than a role player is unrealistic. Ingles is the guy I'm guarding on the perimeter. He will have a tougher time. Hood(and Burks) will be able to score but how efficient will he(they) be?

[QUOTE]Favors at full strength gives the Jazz the best inside scoring in the league with the best passing guard to find those high percentage shots.
Chasing what everyone else is doing will fail the Jazz.[/QUOTE]

The rolls to the basket won't be there without shooters

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Donovan Mitchell for sure and it probably still wouldn't be enough without Gobert

[QUOTE]To get someone like Irving, the Jazz will have to part ways with promising players, including guard Donovan Mitchell. However, since Mitchell is technically a new signing, the Jazz wouldn’t be able to complete a trade with the Cavaliers until Friday.[/QUOTE]

Can't see it being enough. Maybe in December if Favors returns to form and Exum shows he can play finally they might be able to do something

[QUOTE]Losing Mitchell would hurt, but it’s going to take years for the 20-year-old to reach Irving’s level, if he ever does. [/QUOTE]

Plays both ends. I wouldn't give him or Rudy up. Everyone else sure!

[QUOTE]Mitchell would be carefully brought along and would play less minutes in Cleveland than he will in Utah.[/QUOTE]

not sure about that. He might be in the G-league for both

[QUOTE]The previous report mentioned that Cleveland is also seeking a veteran player capable of starting and future draft picks for Irving. Utah would be able to flip newly acquired point guard Ricky Rubio, whom the Jazz received in a deal from the Minnesota Timberwolves in June, to Cleveland, filling the Cavaliers’ void after Irving departs.[/QUOTE]

Cleveland wants shooters like every team without the wizard running the front office. Doubt they want Rubio nor does anyone else

[QUOTE]In this case, the Jazz would be the clear winner if they could land Irving from Cleveland.[/QUOTE]

In the short term sure. But if he leaves in two years and Mitchell becomes a two way star then no

[QUOTE]Rubio is the pass-first point guard that Utah has been looking for since trading Deron Williams. Especially with Quin's coaching and the Jazz system, Rubio can be better than anyone possibly thinks. But shift to Irving and we're pass in the same shoot-first PG mentality that has plagued the Jazz for years. [/QUOTE]

They've been looking for one or you have? Sloan is not the coach. Most teams have a shoot first pg. The game has changed and the Jazz are going backwards

[QUOTE]If UT is going to pursue a CLE player, I'd much rather see them going after Love. UT already has a PG but are weak at the stretch four. I like the idea of Gobert or Udoh with some triple combination of Hood, Ingles, Johnson, Burks, Mitchell, Jerebko, Sefalosha, and Love lurking at the 3-point line waiting for pinpoint passes from Rubio or Exum. That's a strong 3-and-D combination at the team level instead of just individually. It could be fun to watch. But we just need someone at the stretch four bigger than Johnson and with a better track record than Jerebko.[/QUOTE]

Doubt they are trading Love and Irving. Jonson was fine at the 4 before the GS series and they won't have to worry about them this year! Jonas will be of too once Favors and Johnson are dealt and he moves into the rotation.

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[QUOTE]2kHayward

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[QUOTE]Now we

[QUOTE]Tom Westerholm: Interviewer:

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[QUOTE]What

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Show he can play in the G-league first

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/05/can-ricky-rubio-take-next-step-utah-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]the Utah Jazz had work to do before the opening of free agency. In a desperate attempt to satisfy Hayward by surrounding him with young talent while retaining the cap space to pay him, the Jazz would trade for Spaniard Ricky Rubio.[/QUOTE]

downgraded the roster. Way to go wizard. Where would they be without you! :rant

[QUOTE]So, going from a team that has been sub-par for so long to a team that made the second round of the playoffs last season will be an adjustment.[/QUOTE]

not the same team. He went from a lottery team to a lottery team

[QUOTE]this year

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/06/utah-jazz-best-caseworst-case-scenario-series-donovan-mitchell/[/url]

[QUOTE]Mitchell looked like an NBA-ready player[/QUOTE]

Defensively anyway.

[QUOTE]Obviously his playing time will be down, particularly initially, but if Mitchell reaches his potential early, he could find himself earning a much larger role sooner rather than later. [/QUOTE]

Knowing the Jazz he might lead them in minutes. Bolomboy is the only guy they haven't played and they are back playing for lottery balls again this year. I'd say ideally him or Exum starts at the 2 but I'm fine with him starting the year in the G-league if he's not ready too though.

[QUOTE]He averaged 15.6 points per game in his final year as a Cardinal while shooting 35.4 percent from deep and 40.8 percent from the field. For Mitchell to truly reach his best case scenario, he

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[QUOTE]Hayward

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2017/08/06/utah-jazz-3-intriguing-lineups-next-season/[/url]

[QUOTE]They have solid backup players at every position, and even some decent options when you start getting to the third-string players at certain positions (i.e. Raul Neto, Alec Burks).[/QUOTE]

Two guys that have actually proven themselves in the NBA unlike some of the guys you have ahead of them

[QUOTE]Projected Starters:

C: Rudy Gobert
PF: Derrick Favors
SF: Thabo Sefolosha
SG: Rodney Hood
PG: Ricky Rubio[/QUOTE]

I'd say Ingles is the projected starter at the 3 after last year and his 15 million a year contract. Hood should be on the bench but it doesn't sound like he will be

[QUOTE]Bench (in order of projected minutes):

Joe Ingles
Joe Johnson
Dante Exum
Donovan Mitchell
Jonas Jerebko
Ekpe Udoh
Alec Burks[/QUOTE]

Jerebko is the 5th big the way I see it. Hard to see Burks not playing if he's healthy. They need his scoring and they need to show he can play so they can deal him eventually. Exum has to show he can play or he shouldn't. No reason to baby him anymore. Mitchell can go to the G-league if there's not minutes for him to start the year. The roster will change a lot by the end of the year

[QUOTE]More specifically, players like Joel Bolomboy, Tony Bradley and Raul Neto.[/QUOTE]

Neto should be in the mix since unlike Exum and Michell he has proven he can play in the league. Bolomboy looked good the couple times he played too. I think he could be in the rotation by the end of the year possibly.

The try and stop us lineup

[QUOTE]Donovan Mitchell, Rodney Hood, Joe Ingles, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gobert

This is one of my favorite lineups when examining the Jazz next season. The reason? It may be the best shooting lineup they can throw out onto the floor, but unlike most teams top offensive lineups, they won