[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15004117]SA getting Dylan Harper to pair with Wemby just gonna get swept under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Isn't Harper and Castle the same player?
What Wemby needs is a younger Chris Paul, not another shotjacker.
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[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15004117]SA getting Dylan Harper to pair with Wemby just gonna get swept under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Isn't Harper and Castle the same player?
What Wemby needs is a younger Chris Paul, not another shotjacker.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;15004386]Isn't Harper and Castle the same player?
What Wemby needs is a younger Chris Paul, not another shotjacker.[/QUOTE]
Not even close. Harper is incredibly polished: handles, stepback middie, turnaround j, and he can shoot the 3 and actually finish at the basket with non dunks. I think Castle is more athletic? But he can’t stretch the floor.
And CP3’s are extinct. Pg’s will be Lukas, Traes, Curry’s, Cades etc going forward. The last ‘true’ star pg was probably Rajon Rondo and of course Paul, like you mentioned.
[QUOTE=Manny98;15004030]I feel sick...[/QUOTE]
Can’t back to laugh at this some more
6'7 3/4", 7'0 wingspan, 221 pounds. 8'10 1/2" standing reach
He moved with true fluidity and explosive power at 221 pounds. He's gonna be a killer. His weight was the only question mark for me because of reports.
I hope this doesn't stunt his growth.
I wanted him to have his own team. Learn on the floor. Make mistakes. Miss shots. Like many other greats before him.
Obviously Reed Sheppard is not on his level, but look at his disastrous rookie season as a 3rd pick because the team was already good.
Coop should be bringing Utah back to prominence.
[QUOTE=stalkerforlife;15004954]I hope this doesn't stunt his growth.
I wanted him to have his own team. Learn on the floor. Make mistakes. Miss shots. Like many other greats before him.
Obviously Reed Sheppard is not on his level, but look at his disastrous rookie season as a 3rd pick because the team was already good.
Coop should be bringing Utah back to prominence.[/QUOTE]
Possibly the dumbest situation you could want him to be in. Go to a bad team. Be expected to carry them to wins. Wins doesn’t happen? Bashed. No grace for bad performances as he tries to develop his game. Bashed. 4 years approaching now has to deal with is he overrated? Is he worth the max? He needs help the franchise isn’t giving it but wait I thought Flagg was Himothy? Great white hype.
Yeah sit this one out. He’s in a perfect situation where now he can be that glue guy, that fill in the blanks and reap the benefits of Kyrie-Davis duo who will shoulder the load in the wins department. The pressure is lessened significantly. Dallas doesn’t win? Dallas chokes? Not Flagg fault it’s theirs. Give him the keys is the narrative. Meanwhile he can improve his weaknesses, strengthen his game so by time Davis/kyrie are no longer a thing? Hes at age 21-22 as the man.
Perfect situation. Tons of grace. F*ck Utah
Reed goes late lottery in a stronger draft. He doesn’t even go 3 in this draft. Hes lumped in with Fears, Tre Johnson of the world. I don’t even see why he’s mentioned. Who expected Reed to be more than a future starter? Role player vibes. Specialist vibes. He had quite a few question marks coming out. One was can he adjust to the speed of the game? Sorry he’s not balling out in Houston. There’s a reason for that.
He ain’t no Cooper cheese
Dallas is a great fit. It's the best balance of team competitiveness and role. He can be the primary playmaker from day one [I]if he's good enough[/I]. He'll get a chance to put up numbers with Kyrie out [I]if he's good enough[/I]. I'd compare his situation to Tatum and Scottie Barnes coming into the league. To a lesser extent, Kawhi, PG, and Butler a few years in.
I think 14-17 ppg, 6-8 rpg, 4-6 apg, 1-2 spg, 1-2 bpg is a safe estimate. Which are great numbers [I]on a winning team[/I]. I also think 17-20 ppg is possible because he's already 221 pounds and should be closer to 230 after the offseason with Dallas' strength and conditioning team. Tatum is 230 right now, so Coop is naturally stronger/sturdier. He's more like an OG Anunoby or Aaron Gordon in that sense.
The biggest thing is that, with Irving out, all the top players are off-ball guys. Flagg will have the ball in his hands plenty. And his defense puts him on the court in the first place, which is what Sheppard's problem was.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15004957]Reed goes late lottery in a stronger draft. He doesn’t even go 3 in this draft. Hes lumped in with Fears, Tre Johnson of the world. I don’t even see why he’s mentioned. Who expected Reed to be more than a future starter? Role player vibes. Specialist vibes. He had quite a few question marks coming out. One was can he adjust to the speed of the game? Sorry he’s not balling out in Houston. There’s a reason for that.
He ain’t no Cooper cheese[/QUOTE]
Reed Shepperd did well in the games he started. He definitely has the potential to be 6th man of the year, which would be his best role for now.
Cooper has very similar measurements to LBJ, Josh Smith, Aaron Gordon, Jayson Tatum, Jalen Johnson, and Paul George.
Flagg: 6'7.75" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
LBJ: 6'7.25" barefoot, 245 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10.25" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
Smith: 6'7" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.53 draft age)
Tatum: 6'8.25" in shoes, 204 pounds, 6'11" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (19.29 draft age)
PG: 6'7.75" barefoot, 214.4 pounds, 6'11.25" wingspan, 8'11" standing reach (20.12 draft age)
Jalen Johnson: 6'7.75" barefoot, 209.6 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10" standing reach (19.5 draft age)
Aaron Gordon: 6'7.5" barefoot, 220.1 pounds, 6'11.75" wingspan, 8'9" standing reach (18.75 draft age)
I'd say Smith is the closest physical comparison, also considering athleticism. Smith has more twitch (39.5" max vert vs. 35.5") but less agility/change of pace/change of direction/lateral movement (11.43 pro lane vs. 10.83). J Smoove was 225 as a rookie, and 240+ in his prime. I'd expect Coop to follow a similar weight progression.
With official measurements now, I'd grade Cooper an A- for size and A- for athleticism. His precocious weight, sturdiness/frame, and strength bump him up from a B+, in my opinion. An offseason with the Dallas strength and conditioning team will get him up to 225-230, and he'll be physically ready to compete from day one. For comparison, Tatum was 210 as a rookie.
I get the feeling he’ll be a bust..
I don’t see Dallas being a good fit for him, would have been better on a team without expectations first few seasons.. not wizards or hornets level dog shit though
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15005645]Cooper has very similar measurements to LBJ, Josh Smith, Aaron Gordon, Jayson Tatum, Jalen Johnson, and Paul George.
Flagg: 6'7.75" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
LBJ: 6'7.25" barefoot, 245 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10.25" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
Smith: 6'7" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.53 draft age)
Tatum: 6'8.25" in shoes, 204 pounds, 6'11" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (19.29 draft age)
PG: 6'7.75" barefoot, 214.4 pounds, 6'11.25" wingspan, 8'11" standing reach (20.12 draft age)
Jalen Johnson: 6'7.75" barefoot, 209.6 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10" standing reach (19.5 draft age)
Aaron Gordon: 6'7.5" barefoot, 220.1 pounds, 6'11.75" wingspan, 8'9" standing reach (18.75 draft age)
I'd say Smith is the closest physical comparison, also considering athleticism. Smith has more twitch (39.5" max vert vs. 35.5") but less agility/change of pace/change of direction/lateral movement (11.43 pro lane vs. 10.83). J Smoove was 225 as a rookie, and 240+ in his prime. I'd expect Coop to follow a similar weight progression.
With official measurements now, I'd grade Cooper an A- for size and A- for athleticism. His precocious weight, sturdiness/frame, and strength bump him up from a B+, in my opinion. An offseason with the Dallas strength and conditioning team will get him up to 225-230, and he'll be physically ready to compete from day one. For comparison, Tatum was 210 as a rookie.[/QUOTE]
A more consistent/locked-in/prepared Josh Smith is my new projection for Flagg. Smith on his best nights.
[QUOTE=coin24;15005672]I get the feeling he’ll be a bust..
I don’t see Dallas being a good fit for him, [B]would have been better on a team without expectations first few seasons[/B].. not wizards or hornets level dog shit though[/QUOTE]
I don't think he's the type to really have issues with expectations.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15005692]A more consistent/locked-in/prepared Josh Smith is my new projection for Flagg. Smith on his best nights.[/QUOTE]
It's a great place to start from a physical perspective. What's so exciting about Cooper is his shooting and playmaking upside. He was the primary ball handler for the #1 offense in college basketball. A legitimate point-forward (4.4 apg; 2.1 topg) who shot 44.4% 3PT (3.7 3pa/g) and 87.7% FT (6.0 fta/g) over his last 27 games.
The more I think about it the more I'm [I]slowly[/I] inching toward a LeBron James comparison. A less athletic, 20-odd pounds lighter LeBron with better defense and shooting. Which is more or less a way more skilled, higher IQ Josh Smith. One that can potentially shoot 37-40% 3PT, 40-45%+ from the mid-range, 85%+ FT, and be a legitimate point-forward.
Rumor is that Philly is open to trading the 3rd pick. Wizards might be in on that.