2016- Yet another long off-season

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[QUOTE][B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pleisti01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Tibor Pleiss[/URL][/B] can make shots when open but not much else. [/QUOTE]

I'm afraid that may be enough for the Jazz to keep him around.

[QUOTE]Seeing Craft actually make good moves, or Butterfield take smarter gambles -- these are things the 2016 rookie guards just didn't have.[/QUOTE]

Wallace did.

[QUOTE]We didn't see much of Trey Lyles on the court with Joel Bolomboy, which I felt like would have been useful to see. [/QUOTE]

They probably won't be playing together again for a while at least.

[QUOTE]Of course, in a "win now" mode there's no point in having him around anymore, especially not when you can get [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Boris Diaw[/URL][/B] instead. [/QUOTE]

You still need to develop young guys too. I'm liking this trade less.

[QUOTE]I was surprised he only played in one game, but his performance in that game may be indicative of a good enough reason to only play him in one of the nine games he was in uniform for. [/QUOTE]

Yeah what was up with that? He made the all-Orlando team

[QUOTE]I expected to see more of him, but instead the Jazz looked harder at [B][URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chrisdi01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com"]Dionte Christmas[/URL][/B], undrafted rookie Quincy Ford, and Shaquille McKissic. [/QUOTE]

Ford is on their roster

[QUOTE]In the NBA he was the 3rd string PF. [/QUOTE]

4th big

[QUOTE]For one, he could post up, face-up, cut, or spot up. [/QUOTE]

His post game sucked. He could hit 3's and put a body on someone as a defender and hit FT's. That was about it though.

[QUOTE]his actual skills are pro-level skills[/QUOTE]

not NBA though

[QUOTE]Joel seems to be the best chance for the Jazz to actually have a player on their hands in the draft. Many of us are very openly rooting for him and his success. [/QUOTE]

Why him specifically? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]He needs a year or two playing pro ball elsewhere before going to the NBA. [/QUOTE]

Needs to get stronger. He can shoot.

[QUOTE]He could have a Hanlan like transformation if he works hard. I think he is up to it.[/QUOTE]

All3 of their picks were a lot better than Hanlan was a year ago so I'd be hopeful all 3 could be in the mix next year when they will need cheap contracts.
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after Hanlan was traded he graduated to 1st string point guard. [/QUOTE]

believe Hanlan started at the 2

[QUOTE]I also expect him to have one after shooting way under expectation in Summer league[/QUOTE]

You rely way too much on stats. He was active, got after people on d and showed he had some shooting potential. I liked him best of their picks for sure.

[QUOTE]He did everything right last summer league[/QUOTE]

how did I miss that? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]all he did scoring-wise this summer was hit one of his two free throws.[/QUOTE]

had like 9 boards in that game though

[QUOTE]He averaged only 1.40 APG despite having the ball in his hands so much. [/QUOTE]

some of that is who he was playing with though. If they put the ball in his hands with Hill, Johnson, etc. spotting up he might rack up the assists

[QUOTE]if he wasn't scoring he wasn't doing much else[/QUOTE]

which is what we saw last year
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He just can't defend. Guys are too strong for him in the paint [/QUOTE]

moving is the hard part. He'll put a body on someone

[QUOTE]which is exactly what you want from an athletic rebounder on your team[/QUOTE]

except defensive rebounding is the Jazz's problem

[QUOTE]If you have to pick one, I'd pick Joel over Tibor. [/QUOTE]

as well as many other guys. They have too much money to keep him.

[QUOTE]There's just really not much space on the Jazz right now for someone at his position.[/QUOTE]

There's plenty of spots if someone can play. I imagine they'd love him on the D-league team as a local.

[QUOTE]Paige is a much better shooter, but he can't grow longer.[/QUOTE]

He's long though

[QUOTE]Trey Lyles and Tibor Pleiss will be in training camp and have the inside track to make the team unless they are traded before the season starts[/QUOTE]

doubt there is any market for Tibor here. Buyout!:applause:

[QUOTE]Joel Bolomboy needs a look in training camp for sure, and a chance to earn an NBA roster spot with the Jazz[/QUOTE]

no he doesn't. if he's in fall camp he has already made the team. What's the hurry? :confusedshrug:

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[QUOTE]he has all the necessary tools to be effective on both ends of the floor. [/QUOTE]

except size

[QUOTE]He has a great chance of making an NBA roster this season. [/QUOTE]

better than Pleiss

[QUOTE]with the acquisition of Johnson, Ford might find it hard to make the roster. [/QUOTE]

He was signed more for the D-league team

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[QUOTE]Genessy tweeted on Monday that the Jazz are sending some support staff to keep Gobert (and, by proxy, Diaw?) healthy, happy and connected during Olympic competition. The team

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[QUOTE]That defensive improvement was two fold. First was the substation of Dante Exum into the lineup for Trey Burkes. Then was the rise of Rudy Gobert. Those two are not mutually exclusive nor are they mutually dependent. They are both defensive monsters. [/QUOTE]

Without Gobert it's hard to imagine the Jazz not sucking on D again like they did before he took over. Without Exum they were the best D at the end of last year. He has to show he can still defend and he has to give them a lot more offensively.

[QUOTE]It's easy to point at Dante Exum's offensive struggles and say, "Why should we trust a player who can't shoot?" [/QUOTE]

Nor anything else.

[QUOTE]When Dante Exum started the Utah Jazz were 24-17, 7 games over .500. So any argument that starts with "The Utah Jazz can't win games if Dante Exum starts ... " needs to be thrown out the window. The Utah Jazz were a historic defensive wrecking ball through the NBA with Dante Exum and Rudy Gobert. They can win games and will.[/QUOTE]

They did win they may not now. Can he still defend? Hill can and a lot more that we haven't seen from the kid.

[QUOTE]The amount of work he puts in to become better is just crazy. [/QUOTE]

Don't think he put in much last summer. He got a little bigger but the hints of an offensive game that we saw at the end of the 2015 year were gone last season until the end of the year again.

[QUOTE] I'm personally rooting for the guy. I hope he makes it onto the opening day roster.[/QUOTE]

Why? What's the hurry? Wouldn't you rather have the best guys on the team rather than the guys you like?

[QUOTE]Remember last summer when Dante Exum had an amazing summer league game? [/QUOTE]

Yeah and I remember him spraining his ankle than blowing out his knee. I also remember him seemingly afraid to drive to the rim in his one season and not hitting open shots.

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[QUOTE]We point to a poor bench and injures as reasons.[/QUOTE]

You point to that. I point to Withey not playing and Lindsey tanking until the all-star break.

[QUOTE]I'm never going to forget two of them, the loss at home to the [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-clippers"]Los Angeles Clippers[/URL] 3rd team, and then the last game of the season, a loss to the [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-lakers"]Los Angeles Lakers[/URL]. Let's not forget that the Utah Jazz were KILLING the Lakers in that game, but then gave it away in the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]

The last game meant nothing. Who cares?:wtf:

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These are veterans who can help within the framework of play the Jazz have worked so hard to establish without forcing compromise. This moment of acceleration may come for every young team, but Utah has taken to the occasion with a masterwork of fit.[/QUOTE]

Last year's starting pg and someone else from their young core will be benched. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]"He's never been a point guard that collects a lot of assists, but we don't need him to with our wing playmakers. We just need him to organize us, allow us to be low-turnover, and continue to bang open shots like he does."[/QUOTE]

You forgot your best playmaker from a year ago.

[QUOTE]Smart front offices are constantly minding those developments without getting ahead of themselves.[/QUOTE]

I think they've gotten away from themselves with the two old guys

[QUOTE]"They are all in their 30s," Lindsey said. "But they all take care of themselves [/QUOTE]

Diaw? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]better health alone may have made Utah a playoff team this season.[/QUOTE]

So would have have better coaching and GMing. :rant
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and could make a hefty luxury tax difference after potentially re-signing Hayward and Gobert next summer. [/QUOTE]

and Favors! They've set themselves up real nicely. :wtf:

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[QUOTE]As the Utah Jazz

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[QUOTE]The issue here is going to be sending Hood to the bench in order to placate the idea of this veteran bias. Johnson hasn't done anything to suggest he should be benched, and he has demonstrated (like dropping 28 on the [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/toronto-raptors"]Toronto Raptors[/URL] last year, as a member of the Miami Heat) that he's objectively an upgrade. Snyder has benched guys in favor of upgrades many times. Trey Burke was benched for [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246134/dante-exum"]Dante Exum[/URL]. [URL="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198045/raul-neto"]Raul Neto[/URL] was benched for Shelvin Mack.[/QUOTE]

Mack/Hill starting makes most sense to me at both ends until someone shows otherwise.

There is a sense the Celtics would love to pry away Utah Jazz forward Gordon Hayward, who has a player option next year, which few in the NBA believe he

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[QUOTE]He announced on[URL="https://www.instagram.com/p/BIFxau5jJIn/"] Instagram[/URL] that he signed to play in France ProA with Nanterre.[/QUOTE]

I'd guess they offered him a D-league spot first.

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[QUOTE]Is Hayward going to have his #20 retired? Or Rudy

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[QUOTE]George Hill should be a rather seamless transition that will boost Utah significantly on both ends of the floor over Mack or Neto who were last year

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[QUOTE]The steps he

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[QUOTE]The former Michigan point guard and Naismith Award winner was traded by the Utah Jazz earlier this month. He says his new destination