Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/3/22865109/new-orleans-pelicans-rookie-herb-jones-draws-praise-from-donovan-mitchell-and-mike-conley[/url]
[QUOTE]Through 33 NBA games, Jones is averaging 14.3 points, 6.5 points, 3.2 assists, 2.3 steals and 1.8 blocks per 100 possessions. Jones was a rookie that I had my eye on as the draft was approaching, and one [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/28/22596008/utah-jazz-have-1-pick-in-this-years-2021-nba-draft-no-30-overall-what-will-they-do-with-it"]I thought might have worked well for the Jazz[/URL]. He ended up dropping to the second round, with the Pelicans selecting him 35th overall.
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could have had him too. Just what they need. Wouldn't be playing though for the Jazz
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/3/22865108/instant-analysis-utah-jazz-beat-pelicans-on-shoulders-of-fourth-quarter-flurry-from-donovan-mitchell[/url]
[QUOTE]As we’ve seen in multiple games now, the Jazz playing without a traditional center is seemingly more troublesome than many thought it would be when the Jazz picked up Rudy Gay in the offseason. Gay offers a level of versatility offensively that the Jazz haven’t seen, but the Jazz’s small-ball defense hasn’t really been up to par.
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the Jazz have generally sucked without Gobert. Why would anyone think that would suddenly change?
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/1/3/22866270/utah-jazz-overcome-pelicans-in-new-orleans-donovan-mitchell[/url]
[QUOTE]So, we’re in a position where we’re relying on Hassan Whiteside to play. Whiteside has been a very, very nice story this year. But the bulk of his career would tell you that he is not exactly the most reliable player.
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too bad Udoka is hurt just to see how he'd fare not that COTY would play him
[QUOTE]Clearly, the Jazz need an infusion of talent in the perimeter/wing defender role. But at what expense? If you’re the Jazz GM, how are you fixing this roster?
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starting 4, dump Clarkson, Hughes and COTY
[QUOTE]Clarkson is a good shooter, and a good dribbler, but not a very good passer. He is also on a pretty moveable salary.
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he's not a good shooter
[QUOTE]Which one of those subtractions from the offense would disrupt it the least? And who are you targeting in return? Remember, bringing back a starter-caliber talent will likely require either Jared Butler or Udoka Azubuike and a first-round pick.
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hard to expect a star. A 4 that could give you 20 minutes so O'Neale could play mostly on the wing would be nice. Getting rid of Clarkson and Hughes would be nice. A coach that will make adjustments would be nice. Would hate to see Butler go. No one wants Udoka
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My conclusion is we don't need a big trade but we do need some depth at the C position. We got Oni, Hughes, Pitts (and Dok I guess who is injured) who aren't going to play anyway so we should trade one for a C who could at least give us serviceable minutes defensively if Hassan is unavailable.
No real idea who but a guy like Robin Lopez in Orlando will probably be available at the trade deadline. Alex Len maybe. Theis might be great. Dieng. Birch. Hernangomez from NO, Basically a big body who breathes might be better than Ocho at this point. [/QUOTE]
have an open roster spot. Really two with Oni's non guarantee. Don't necessarily need a trade. Someone that could give you 20 minutes or so at the 4 and maybe play some center? Always liked Lopez
[QUOTE]Here is the way I see it as pointed out by a previous Dunker (sorry can't remember). If you want a starter back who starts, you have to trade Bogey or be willing to move Oneale to the bench.[/QUOTE]
Clarkson goes. Bojan to the bench
[QUOTE]To me, if Clarkson can slowly owrk his 3 point shooting closer to 34-35% that is eFG of around 53% which is good enough. His lob threat passing has been really good the last few games. Ingles has good playmaking against teams that play a traditional big, but tends to disappear against switching defenses. To me that means what Ingles brings to the table on offense is reduced the most when in the playoffs. So right now I lean towards an Ingles trade (his shooting will come back). I would aim for an athletic lengthy player.
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Ingles needs a smaller role. New coach
[QUOTE]Well it's not like Ingles is going to be playing much longer anyway. If he was averaging 12 points a game like last season it would be a lot harder to trade him, but he's only averaging 7.6 ppg this season (& his defense has fallen way off).
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had his best year. He doesn't suck unlike Clarkson
Re: 2021-22 regular season Utah Jazz news, notes and game coverage
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/01/04/2-studs-1-utah-jazz-pelicans/2/[/url]
[QUOTE]Really, that’s how this Jazz machine is supposed to operate. [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/12/03/donovan-mitchell-run-offense-utah-jazz/"]Donovan Mitchell is the engine,[/URL] and last night, he was purring. This was an important contest for Mitchell, as he’d struggled in the team’s previous meeting against the Warriors. Last night, he put any concerns about those struggles being related to his recent lower back injury squarely to rest.
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if only he was the engine
[QUOTE]Ingles did have 6 assists. His passing is key to his overall value, and so that has to be mentioned. Nonetheless, 2 points on 1/4 shooting from the field (including a goose egg on three attempts from deep) doesn’t quite cut it.
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I'll take the 6 assists
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[QUOTE] Shams Charania: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz are finalizing trading Miye Oni to the Oklahoma City Thunder,[/URL] sources tell me and @Tony Jones.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania"]Twitter ShamsCharania[/URL]
Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Oklahoma City is acquiring Utah’s Miye Oni and a 2028 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Thunder will waive Oni and open up a roster spot[/URL] ahead of the February trade deadline. Utah saves money and opens a roster spot too.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]
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no surprise. Hopefully he doesn't end up helping a Jazz opponent down the line. I imagine under the current climate he will find a new home quickly. Not sure why they had to give up a pick? He's non guaranteed
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[QUOTE] Adrian Wojnarowski: A first for the Utah Jazz this season: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Joe Ingles has entered the league’s Covid protocols,[/URL] sources tell ESPN.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]
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really shorthanded now with this and the trade
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[QUOTE] JD Shaw: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Thunder have officially acquired guard Miye Oni and a 2028 second-round pick from the Jazz in exchange for cash.[/URL] Gabriel Deck was waived to create room.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JShawNBA"]Twitter JShawNBA[/URL]
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the cash makes up for the pick? Don't really get this. Could have just cut him. Non guaranteed
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50322234/jazz-trade-away-miye-oni-to-save-some-money-and-get-flexibility-[/url]
[QUOTE]The Thunder aren't sending anyone back in the deal — Utah got "cash considerations" in return — which will give the Jazz two open roster spots. Those could be beneficial for deals leading up to the trade deadline as well as the buyout market. Utah can also choose to convert Trent Forrest's two-way deal into a regular deal, if it so chooses. Forrest has played a small rotation spot this season.
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you'd think if he's not traded that they will have to do this at some point. Wait until the trade deadline and buyouts if possible
[QUOTE]If Utah had waived Oni outright, its tax bill would have been $30.3 million. With the trade, the tax penalty gets reduced to $27.9 million. By trading Oni, the Jazz won't pay anything in taxes for his contract. Utah saved $2.4 million by making the deal. The Thunder essentially agreed to take the cap hit for Utah for a future second rounder.
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now it makes sense
[QUOTE]NBA rules dictate a team can only have two roster spots open for a maximum of two weeks. So another addition has to come befor ethen. That could be converting Forrest's deal, signing a player to a 10-day contract or a full contract, or by making a trade. Regardless, Utah will need to make a move, and make one quick.
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10 days start soon
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50322284/joe-ingles-first-jazz-player-to-enter-covid-protocols-this-season[/url]
[QUOTE]Ingles will join Udoka Azubuike (ankle) on the inactive list, giving the Jazz just 13 players potentially available for Wednesday's game against Denver. If Hassan Whiteside (concussion) and Eric Paschall (personal reasons) can't suit up, the Jazz will need to add someone to the roster.
Teams that have fewer than 13 players available must sign a hardship player, according to league rules.
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looks like a move is coming. No one on the Stars is that exciting
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://kslsports.com/476144/jazz-trade-miye-oni-to-oklahoma-city-thunder/[/url]
[QUOTE]Oni has spent three seasons in [URL="https://kslsports.com/467630/42-the-jazz-future-with-miye-oni/"]Utah[/URL] but had fallen out of the rotation for the Jazz behind one of the deepest backcourts in the NBA.
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he was never in the rotation and Forrest isn't deep
[QUOTE]Oni’s best performance in the NBA came in the Orlando bubble as a rookie when the guard scored 14 points against the San Antonio Spurs to go along with seven rebounds in 30 minutes on the floor.
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and then COTY refused to play him or anyone else as Murray torched them
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://kslsports.com/476138/on-this-day-jazz-forward-adrian-dantleys-28-free-throws-made-ties-nba-record/[/url]
not the best player in franchise history! :roll:
Re: 2021-22 regular season Utah Jazz news, notes and game coverage
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/01/04/3-trades-utah-jazz-consider/3/[/url]
[QUOTE]Torrey Craig typifies the 3-and-D role, albeit not in 2021-22. His -0.1 DBPM is uninspiring, and his 27.5% accuracy on 2.1 three-point attempts per game is something worse. We’re willing to chalk his underwhelming performance up to his situation. We’re also willing to bet that last season’s marks of 36.8% three-point accuracy and a 0.4 DBPM are more reflective of his actual abilities.
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no thanks
[QUOTE]Nonetheless, the Jazz wouldn’t be acquiring Gordon for his defense.
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you do it because Clarkson sucks
[QUOTE]As for the Rockets, they’d likely look to reroute Clarkson to a contender in the offseason. They’d have little use for his services. However, as a rebuilding club, they’re in a perfect position to take a flier on Azubuike. That’s the draw for them in this deal.
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ideally Hughes is the one to go
[QUOTE]We can see the comments on this article before you make them. “Why are you so desperate to trade Clarkson? You must be a Bulls fan”.
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because he sucks
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Plus, Kyle Anderson is criminally underrated. His numbers are down across the board from 2020-21, because his minutes are down. The Grizzlies appear to be heading in another direction. A look at his per 36 minutes is more instructive: Anderson is averaging 13 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists on that measure.
He does a little bit of everything, and should fit snugly into Quin Snyder’s attack. He’s hitting 35.3% of his 3.3 three-point attempts per game this year. That’s not an elite mark, but it’s an improvement on Clarkson’s. It’s also a solid percentage for a player who figures to spend most of his minutes at the 4. More relevantly, his 1.0 DBPM is reflective of a well-rounded, fundamentally sound defensive wing.
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please and thank you
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/4/22865024/the-miye-oni-trade-could-forecast-more-than-just-luxury-tax-savings-for-the-utah-jazz-ryan-smith[/url]
[QUOTE]The Jazz aren’t likely to get the kind of wing defender they need or want without trading away another player like Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson or Bojan Bogdanovic, and in order to part ways with one of those players the deal would have to really make sense for the Jazz.
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not hard to imagine upgrading the Forrest minutes without a trade. Getting rid of Clarkson also improves the team ideally with Hughes who is a wasted roster spot
Re: 2020-21 regular season
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/understanding-the-oni-trade-roster-options-moving-forward/[/url]
[QUOTE]Weirdly, though, any of those three would count as a two-year vet for tax purposes. That means $2.3M and change of tax on any January 18 signee, which effectively negates the tax benefit of shipping Oni to OKC. But the point here is that the Jazz are required to use that roster spot anyway, and one would think they’d rather pay $2.3 million in tax for a player they might use as opposed to $2.5 milllion for a player who was bolted down on Snyder’s bench.
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even if it's a prospect that has more upside than Oni. Oni is a good energy guy to have at the end of the bench but they ought to be able find another guy like that minumum. It's too bad that Hughes and Clarkson remain instead of him though
[QUOTE]It’s highly likely that an established rotation player will find himself hitting the waiver wire sometime after the trade deadline, but the Jazz haven’t exactly been at the front of the line for buyout market signings. They kept a roster spot open last season so they could woo a veteran during buyout season, and instead their big in-season signing was Ersan Ilyasova, who played just 17 games for them.
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with Covid nothing is likely. Ersan was great. Too bad about COTY
[QUOTE]And again, it would be hard to blame them for rewarding Forrest with a standard NBA deal. The two-way guard has earned that 10th man role right on the edge of the rotation, and in any other year the Jazz would soon be forced to convert him if they wanted to keep using him. The NBA suspended the 50-game limit this year, so there’s no need to convert him, other than just goodwill. Frankly it’s probably smarter to turn over some other stones first, but Forrest earning his way to the regular roster would be a nice story, if not as impactful as the right veteran saying, “Hey, let me come help you win.”
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he should have never been on a two way again to begin with but if they have a roster space after buyouts I'd certainly give it to him and sign a different two way guy
Re: 2021-22 regular season Utah Jazz news, notes and game coverage
[QUOTE] Shams Charania: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz plan to sign free agent forward Danuel House to a 10-day contract,[/URL] sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania"]Twitter ShamsCharania[/URL]
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could be a good pick up if he can hit the 3 ball again and pick things up quickly