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Sometimes there are one or two verses on a track that absolutely murder it in a negative way though.
Triumph for instance. One of the greatest openings of all time with INS & Method's verses, and then that clown Cappadonna and the RZA proceed to [I]f[/I]uck up the whole track.
I've been on a LS kick of late. I used to prefer Tical mainly because of my preference for Meth to Genius, but lately I've flopped back into the more popular consensus. That opening, particularly right where the beat kicks into something a little poppy, before dropping into the deadly atmosphere that spills into the rest of the album - genius, and excuse the pun. Lyrically I wouldn't say it's right up my ally, although that isn't to say I don't appreciate the entire Wu's work on it. But the production goes above and beyond the typical and right into the dark and grimy that's become Rza's trademark.
And agreed with whoever said the beatwork on 36 Chambers was overrated. Because it is. Rza didn't hit his stride until a few years later I don't think. Although I still have yet to listen to OB4CL - at some point this summer I will - I just keep forgetting about it.
[QUOTE=LJJ]Sometimes there are one or two verses on a track that absolutely murder it in a negative way though.
Triumph for instance. One of the greatest openings of all time with INS & Method's verses, and then that clown Cappadonna and the RZA proceed to [I]f[/I]uck up the whole track.[/QUOTE]
Cappadonna's verse was weak. Cappadonna is weak-sauce to begin with. RZA's verse however on there was fire IMO. I thought Meth's verse was one of the weaker ones on Triumph.
Some sick tracks off of HoE, LoJ. The two best:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzYlH8OMzc&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzYlH8OMzc&feature=related[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZjuoT3x5k&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZjuoT3x5k&feature=related[/URL]
Won't derail this thread anymore though. lol
Ridonks, you've been pushing that off for how long now? lol
[QUOTE=RidonKs]I've been on a LS kick of late. I used to prefer Tical mainly because of my preference for Meth to Genius, but lately I've flopped back into the more popular consensus. That opening, particularly right where the beat kicks into something a little poppy, before dropping into the deadly atmosphere that spills into the rest of the album - genius, and excuse the pun. Lyrically I wouldn't say it's right up my ally, although that isn't to say I don't appreciate the entire Wu's work on it. But the production goes above and beyond the typical and right into the dark and grimy that's become Rza's trademark.
And agreed with whoever said the beatwork on 36 Chambers was overrated. Because it is. Rza didn't hit his stride until a few years later I don't think. Although I still have yet to listen to OB4CL - at some point this summer I will - I just keep forgetting about it.[/QUOTE]
When did you first get into hip-hop music? How old are you today? Please don't think I'm coming off an offensive, I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of where you're coming from in terms of your tastes in music.
That's the beauty of rap music though (well any music for that matter), it can be decades later and you can come across an album released 15 years ago and hear it for the first time and it's like blissfulness.
Over the years, well going back the past 15-20 years I've been anxiously awaiting release dates for music (all rap). I remember waiting in line 12:00 midnight release date to get my hands on Wu Forever. I guess what I'm saying is I always felt I had to be the first to listen to something when it came out. Back in the day when a hip-hop magazine or Yo MTV Raps was your source (no pun intended) you always keep pace and knew what was coming out before it dropped.
Then the rap game was flooded with garbage about the same time the 'net took off full speed ahead and become commonplace in every US household. That's when the quality of rap went down, too many clowns on the mic and the tradition hasn't shifted; just more and more clowns hitting the scene. Man, I sure do miss those good old golden era rap days.
:cheers:
Wu-Tang are one of my favoritetest (I realize that's not a word) groups ever. Anyone ever tried ranking their favorite Wu members? Sh*ts mad difficult. You always end up with someone pretty worthy around 7 who probably shouldn't be the 7th best rapper in any group.
Sidenote: Cappadonna isn't in Wu for a reason.
[QUOTE=Looptroop]Wu-Tang are one of my favoritetest (I realize that's not a word) groups ever. Anyone ever tried ranking their favorite Wu members? Sh*ts mad difficult. You always end up with someone pretty worthy around 7 who probably shouldn't be the 7th best rapper in any group.[/QUOTE]
U-God is last tho :oldlol:
Liquid Swords is the only rap CD you can currently find in my car...
I stopped listening to rap altother, but that CD is timeless to me...
prime Wu might be the only thing listenable to me at my age, probably the only rap I can still take serioulsy...
there is other stuff I like for nostalgic reasons...(Dre & Snoop, Spice One, Mc Eight, **** you would find on a Menace 2 Society sound track, ect)....but it is impossible to take any of that stuff seriously now...
[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Cappadonna's verse was weak. Cappadonna is weak-sauce to begin with. RZA's verse however on there was fire IMO. I thought Meth's verse was one of the weaker ones on Triumph.[/QUOTE]
Cappa destroyed it on Winter Warz.
[QUOTE=Jackass18]Cappa destroyed it on Winter Warz.[/QUOTE]
Hell yes.
Cappadonna sucked but the pillage was one of the best rap albums of the 90s and he was amazing on iron man, winter warz he had an amazing verse and Daytona 500 too he killed both songs.
I liked Wu so much its a shame they are all fighting now and we'll probably never see another clan album-but no offense the new one sucked, people say it is the type of album that grows on you and gets better with more listens, but no it doesnt the lyrics will always suck no matter how much you listen to it and RZA went insane making like 4 crappy solo songs for himself at the end, it's only redeeming qualities is the George Clinton song, Rushing Elephants and the ODB tribute.
My favorites are probably ODB, Mef and Masta Killa
least favorites are RZA and UGOD, yeh I know RZA produces I'm just talking about when they rap, RZA just destroys songs and not in a good way, yes he has a few good verses but often times his garbage lyrics and flow that doesn't even match the rhythm just ruins what is otherwise a great song, Triumph I'm looking at you
lol, you always come across as offensive every time you ask how old somebody is during these hip hop discussions - you do it pretty often. I'm pretty sure the reason it comes off as offensive is that it's meant to be offensive, but that's just a guess. It proves to your own ego that there's a reason your opinion should count for more than those of others - and that's perfectly reasonable. But that's just my opinion.
I won't take offense to it though. ;)
Only about 3-4 years seriously. I've been listening to Eminem and DMX and 50 Cent and Ja Rule and a few other garbage names since I was 11 or 12, so nearing a decade. Em's still among my favourites, and I can stand 50 in small doses - Ja's unlistenable though, as are many of the others. The last few years I've actually gone out of my way to find quality music (not just rap), which seems to be what you've got to do nowadays with what they're airing on the mainstream. It's been a fun few years, and with every passing day I become more passionate about the music I listen to than the day before.
I'm 20 btw.
I often wish I had grown up in that age though. The stories from older folks about record store and jazz club culture sounds like something I'd want to experience, but realize I can't. I still love record stores, and I visit them as often as possible - the more cluttered, the better. But to grow up anticipating albums and waiting in line at the store opening day as you would for a movie opening night is a feeling I never got a chance to take in. Because there's no need for it these days. The at-your-fingertips generation is nice because exposure is much easier for lesser known artists, but it's not as dedicated and its not as fun as the earlier generations. There are benefits to both obviously, but if I were given a choice, I think I'd rather piss away all my money on albums as opposed to give $15 monthly for an internet connection.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]Liquid Swords is the only rap CD you can currently find in my car...
I stopped listening to rap altother, but that CD is timeless to me...
prime Wu might be the only thing listenable to me at my age, probably the only rap I can still take serioulsy...
there is other stuff I like for nostalgic reasons...(Dre & Snoop, Spice One, Mc Eight, **** you would find on a Menace 2 Society sound track, ect)....but it is impossible to take any of that stuff seriously now...[/QUOTE]
What do you mean "it it is impossible to take any of that stuff seriously now"? But, if someone can only take the Wu seriously out of all rap acts, then I can't complain since they're easily my favorite.
[QUOTE=Jackass18]Cappa destroyed it on Winter Warz.[/QUOTE]
Every dawg has his day, but still Cappadonna is garbage.
[quote]Cappadonna sucked but the pillage was one of the best rap albums of the 90s[/quote]
:wtf:
Outside of maybe 5 tracks this album is complete and total piss. Slang Editorial is dope. Pillage track is solid, nothing special. Run was OK. Skip forward to Young Hearts and Everything Is Everything (the album's two best songs) and then that's it.
The Pillage was a crap album overall. Junk. Milk the Cow was decent too.