Pau Gasol vs. Dirk Nowitzki

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Pretty good. At Eurobasket:

Gold: 2009
Silver: 1935, 1973, 1983, 1999, 2003, 2007
Bronze: 1991, 2001[/QUOTE]

Without Gasol the spanish NT had never won a major tournament. With him they are current world and european champions, olympic finalists and one of the biggest european national teams ever to exist, in a relative small country where most people arent even interested in basketball (football, cycling, tennis or motorsports have much more TV audience than basketball)

The spanish team has achieved more with Gasol than in all its history. I dont think its something by chance

[QUOTE=Hyman]The spanish team has achieved more with Gasol than in all its history. I dont think its something by chance[/QUOTE]


True.

However, you are comparing that to the German team. Not all time, but in the Dirk-timeframe. Could you please tell me a few active German basketball players w/o looking the names up?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]A bunch of scrubs were led to 50 wins by Gasol? Why did he struggle to lead his team to more than 20 wins in the next three years? If he had the Midas touch to take scrubs to 50 wins, something even Jordan could not do, surely he would have used it after 2006. Where was he when it counted in 06' btw? Dirk thrashed him and swept him.

Where was Argentinian basketball before Manu? Manu also has 3 rings. Does Manu>Clyde Drexler since he has far more team accomplishments?[/QUOTE]

I havent seen Clyde Drexler play. But Manu is one of the best 10 players to play the game in the last decade for sure

In his prime twice the player Carmelo Anthony has ever been

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]A bunch of scrubs were led to 50 wins by Gasol? Why did he struggle to lead his team to more than 20 wins in the next three years? If he had the Midas touch to take scrubs to 50 wins, something even Jordan could not do, surely he would have used it after 2006. Where was he when it counted in 06' btw? Dirk thrashed him and swept him.

Where was Argentinian basketball before Manu? Manu also has 3 rings. Does Manu>Clyde Drexler since he has far more team accomplishments?[/QUOTE]

Were not Memphis a bunch of scrubs?

Is not this Memphis team, much more talented than Gasol's memphis team was.

Do u have any doubt that if Pau replaced Randolph at Memphis, they would become real finals of conference contenders?

[QUOTE=Hyman]The spanish team has achieved more with Gasol than in all its history. I dont think its something by chance[/QUOTE]

The same thing can be said about Manu and the Argentinian team, which won an Olympic gold.

[QUOTE]I havent seen Clyde Drexler play. But Manu is one of the best 10 players to play the game in the last decade for sure

In his prime twice the player Carmelo Anthony has ever been[/QUOTE]

Ok. How about Chris Paul? Gasol has far more team accomplishments than him. There is an age difference between them. Yao? Yao was always considered a better player, was an elite player but Gasol has more team success.

[QUOTE]Were not Memphis a bunch of scrubs?[/QUOTE]

Gasol was not even all-NBA third team that year and received 0 MVP votes. That is odd if indeed he carried scrubs to 50 wins. Gasol is not the type of player who can lead scrubs to 50 wins (think Kareem, Bird, Russell). Look at Wade. He can barely get his scrubs to .500 and Wade is far superior to Gasol (although Gasol has more team accomplishments than Wade as well). If Gasol carried scrubs he would have done it in subsequent years as well. What happened? Gasol remained Gasol. Why the decline from a 50 win team to a perennial 20 win team?

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The same thing can be said about Manu and the Argentinian team, which won an Olympic gold.



Ok. How about Chris Paul? Gasol has far more team accomplishments than him. There is an age difference between them. Yao? Yao was always considered a better player, was an elite player but Gasol has more team success.[/QUOTE]

Its impossible to compare Gasol with Chris Paul. Chris Paul is much younger and in my opinion, he can be one of the best guards ever. He has definitely a very long carreer, and his peak is highers than Gasol

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]
Gasol was not even all-NBA third team that year and received 0 MVP votes. That is odd if indeed he carried scrubs to 50 wins. Gasol is not the type of player who can lead scrubs to 50 wins (think Kareem, Bird, Russell). Look at Wade. He can barely get his scrubs to .500 and Wade is far superior to Gasol (although Gasol has more team accomplishments than Wade as well). If Gasol carried scrubs he would have done it in subsequent years as well. What happened? Gasol remained Gasol. Why the decline from a 50 win team to a perennial 20 win team?[/QUOTE]

Theres a thing called motivation

[QUOTE=Hyman]Theres a thing called motivation[/QUOTE]

Gasol decided to quit? This is the first I have heard about this. Where did you get the idea that Gasol, whose production remained the same and actually slightly improved, decided to mail it in a la Vince Carter because a 50 win team got owned by Dirk's 53 win team? If he was unmotivated his production didn't reflect it.

How about Yao vs. Gasol? They are about the same age. Yao is, or at least was before Gasol went to LA, considered a much better individual player but Gasol has more team success.

[QUOTE=Hyman]Without Gasol the spanish NT had never won a major tournament. With him they are current world and european champions, olympic finalists and one of the biggest european national teams ever to exist, in a relative small country where most people arent even interested in basketball (football, cycling, tennis or motorsports have much more TV audience than basketball)

The spanish team has achieved more with Gasol than in all its history. I dont think its something by chance[/QUOTE]
Class comedy. Of course they won cause of Gasol and all the other spanish players who played in the NBA or were going to the NBA were only that good cause of Gasol. :roll:

Name one german player who plays an important role on a Euroleague contender.

You are so full of ****.

Give me Dirk Nowitzki 24/7.

Dirk >>>> Gasol

Dirk. Neither are good defenders, Gasol is the better rebounder, but isn't half as skilled on offense, even though Dirk takes the biggest amount of lazy shots by any player ever.

[QUOTE=magnax1]Dirk. Neither are good defenders, Gasol is the better rebounder, but isn't half as skilled on offense, even though Dirk takes the biggest amount of lazy shots by any player ever.[/QUOTE]

You are wrong on many counts, except taking Dirk.

1) Gasol is a decent defender. I'd even call him a good one as of late. Pick n roll defense is good, rebounding is good, help defense is good.

2) Gasol is just as skilled as Dirk, maybe even more so. He is a less prolific scorer, but not any less skilled. Watch them play, please. Gasol is also the better passer of the two.


I'd take Dirk, too, but not for the reasons you stated.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]You are wrong on many counts, except taking Dirk.

1) Gasol is a decent defender. I'd even call him a good one as of late. Pick n roll defense is good, rebounding is good, help defense is good.

2) Gasol is just as skilled as Dirk, maybe even more so. He is a less prolific scorer, but not any less skilled. Watch them play, please. Gasol is also the better passer of the two.


I'd take Dirk, too, but not for the reasons you stated.[/QUOTE]
I forgot about passing, and Gasol does win that, but Gasol is in no way a good defender. Hes good at contesting shots, and hes above average at pick and roll D, but he gets backed down in the post waaaaay to easy. And Gasol is not as skilled as Dirk, Dirk can do everything that Gasol can do + shoot jumpers better than almost anyone in the league. Even though he doesn't use alot of that skill enough, he still has it.

[QUOTE=magnax1]And Gasol is not as skilled as Dirk[/QUOTE]


Well, I disagree. Skillwise, Gasol is up there with the best of them. And he has become a better than average (=good) defender. Not excellent, but like 7.5 on a scale of 10.

But I'll leave it at that, we can agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=magnax1]I forgot about passing, and Gasol does win that, but [B]Gasol is in no way a good defender[/B]. Hes good at contesting shots, and hes above average at pick and roll D, but he gets backed down in the post waaaaay to easy. And Gasol is not as skilled as Dirk, Dirk can do everything that Gasol can do + shoot jumpers better than almost anyone in the league. Even though he doesn't use alot of that skill enough, he still has it.[/QUOTE]
Defensive Rating (pts allowed in 100 posessions)
Gasol: 97
Garnett: 97
Dwight: 97
Perkins: 97
Oden: 97
Bynum: 99
Duncan: 101
Dirk: 101
Noah: 103
Amare: 109
Bosh: 113