There is one reason why Michael Jordan is the greatest of all-time

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Good God, this forum is infested with morons. I really think it's time for me to move on maybe to RealGM. I heard they have good discussion over there. Kobe has nobody who can take the game over if he isn't playing great? Then WHAT THE F*CK WAS GASOL DOING IN THE ENTIRE FIRST ROUND???? You know, when Kobe was busy chucking up shots and playing BAD. How could the Lakers have won that series with the GREAT Kobe Bryant playing so poorly? I mean his team is nothing but scrubs who need him to dominate every single game to even have a chance at winning. Not even Kobe agrees with you morons. He said during that series that the beauty of his team is that he doesn't have to score 45-50 points anymore because he has other OPTIONS. Players who CAN score and impact the game if he's playing poorly. Don't EVEN get me started on Shaq years. Yeah, you're right, Kobe's NEVER had a player who can take over and win games when Kobe's having an off night. If you really believe that BS, then more power to you. It's late, I'm going to bed, and I've sh*tted on enough of you Kobe trolls tonight. I had a feeling if the Cavs lost tonight, the Kobe trolls would be out in full force, but I didn't expect it to be this bad.[/QUOTE]

Game 2, 5 and 6 gasol sure played better than kobe :roll: and at the end of the game it was always kobe or else they lost, no one on the lakers can do it in high pressure situations consistently except fisher and thats only a shot or 2. At the end of the game its always through kobe, but jordan had the luxury of it being through pippen once in a while.

At the end of games only kobe can take over. Gasol chokes. Shaq can't even play the end of games in case they foul you idiot.

PS: if not for game 6 tip in, gasol would have been destroyed for having such a bad game and it'd be another game he choked in. Funny how that goes unnoticed.

now don't get me wrong, gasol is amazing for the lakers and for kobe, but kobe has never had help at the end of the shot clock or at the end of the game. Period.


edit: I re-read my post, I apologize, I didn't include that I was talking about end of game situations. It's kind of obvious to me that "take game over" means during clutch situations but oh well.

[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Good God, this forum is infested with morons.[B] I really think it's time for me to move on maybe to RealGM.[/B] I heard they have good discussion over there. Kobe has nobody who can take the game over if he isn't playing great? Then WHAT THE F*CK WAS GASOL DOING IN THE ENTIRE FIRST ROUND???? You know, when Kobe was busy chucking up shots and playing BAD. How could the Lakers have won that series with the GREAT Kobe Bryant playing so poorly? I mean his team is nothing but scrubs who need him to dominate every single game to even have a chance at winning. Not even Kobe agrees with you morons. He said during that series that the beauty of his team is that he doesn't have to score 45-50 points anymore because he has other OPTIONS. Players who CAN score and impact the game if he's playing poorly. Don't EVEN get me started on Shaq years. Yeah, you're right, Kobe's NEVER had a player who can take over and win games when Kobe's having an off night. If you really believe that BS, then more power to you. It's late, I'm going to bed, and I've sh*tted on enough of you Kobe trolls tonight. I had a feeling if the Cavs lost tonight, the Kobe trolls would be out in full force, but I didn't expect it to be this bad.[/QUOTE]


bye bye sir :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Game 2, 5 and 6 gasol sure played better than kobe :roll: and at the end of the game it was always kobe or else they lost, no one on the lakers can do it in high pressure situations consistently except fisher and thats only a shot or 2. At the end of the game its always through kobe, but jordan had the luxury of it being through pippen once in a while.

At the end of games only kobe can take over. Gasol chokes. Shaq can't even play the end of games in case they foul you idiot.

PS: if not for game 6 tip in, gasol would have been destroyed for having such a bad game and it'd be another game he choked in. Funny how that goes unnoticed.

now don't get me wrong, gasol is amazing for the lakers and for kobe, but kobe has never had help at the end of the shot clock or at the end of the game. Period.


edit: I re-read my post, I apologize, I didn't include that I was talking about end of game situations. It's kind of obvious to me that "take game over" means during clutch situations but oh well.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that 18 rebounds and 9 points on 11 shots is not a really bad game. What the **** are you talking about. Kobe had it going offensively and Gasol didn't get many shot opportunities....so instead he busted his ass on defense and the boards. He played great defense all game and completely dominated the glass....just like he did with the game winning put back.

You do understand that a lot more goes into winning basketball games that scoring points right?

But i do agree with your post. Kobe can coast for the majority of games because the lakers team is good that regardless of how kobe plays usually they have a chance to win in the last 5 minutes and that is when kobe can take over. Unfortunately......other stars don't have that. The stats show that Lebron is far superior in the clutch than Kobe anyway....but you really do answer the entire debate in your post.

Meaning:

A team is not going to win if it relies on one player to do the majority of the heavy lifiting throughout the game a la Lebron. Gasol grabbing those 18 boards as a huge part of the victory. I think it is fair to say that if he only gets 13 of those that the Lakers lose game six.

Kobe is an amazing player that i have in the top 15 all time. so its not like i dont think he's truly great. but he played like crap for the majority of the thunder series....and it was his teammates that that picked him up and carried more of the load when he was off. How can you debate that? Everyone here flames artest....yet he absolutely shut down durant. without that....the lakers would have been in big big trouble and would have most likely lost the series. its that simple....

kobe is not perfect. neither is lebron. the play like crap sometimes. it happens. its ok to admit it.

Another dickriding thread.

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Jordan and Shaq would have collapsed before 3 years. Kobe on Bulls have a better chance at 6 rings than Jordan and Shaq have at 3. Jordans ego is bigger than Kobe's. Shaq started flipping out when Kobe was being praised as the NEXT michael jordan, can you imagine how he'd be if announcers were telling him he's the 2nd option? And prime jordan WOULD want to be the 1st option.[/QUOTE]

Haha Jordan and Shaq could have been hilarious. The insane worker Jordan with fatty Shaq.

Jordan: It

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Haha Jordan and Shaq could have been hilarious. The insane worker Jordan with fatty Shaq.

Jordan: It

[QUOTE=RazorBaLade][b]Jordan and Shaq would have collapsed before 3 years. Kobe on Bulls have a better chance at 6 rings than Jordan and Shaq have at 3.[/b] Jordans ego is bigger than Kobe's. Shaq started flipping out when Kobe was being praised as the NEXT michael jordan, can you imagine how he'd be if announcers were telling him he's the 2nd option? And prime jordan WOULD want to be the 1st option.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]and scottie pippen, and phil jackson, and [B]steve kerr[/B], and [B]horace grant[/B], and rodman...[/QUOTE]
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****ing kids

Another reason nobody mentioned so far:

The # of times Michael Jordan had homecourt advantage in the playoffs:
23.

The # of times MJ won with homecourt advantage in the playoffs:
23.

[B]Never [/B][I]mention [/I]Lebron in the same sentence as Michael Jordan [I]ever [/I]again. :no:

Although I don't think Lebron is completely to blame, LOL @ everyone that prematurely tried to say Lebron was better then Jordan was through this stage of their careers.

[QUOTE=alexandreben]No one is never failed to deliver, growing up with ESPN will get you that thought... don't forget MJ failed in 1995, the Bulls was killed by Magic; even Russell lost twice, one to Bob Petit and the other one to Wilt, don't you forget that dude, MJ is not God and certainly he is not the greatest player of all time, he definitely is in the discusion of the GOAT joining Wilt, Russell and KAJ.[/QUOTE]

Captain obvious here. Obviously we all know that MJ did not win a championship until his 7th year in the league. And that in his first year back from retirement they lost once (Orlando). But that was not the true MJ. He was rusty and severely lacking in pieces. What is implicit within my post is that MJ [B][I]never[/I][/B] failed [B]WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IT ALL.[/B]

When MJ had a few pieces.... when everyone picked MJ's team as having a good shot at winning it all - they won it all.

The guy never once failed to deliver [I]when expected to win. [/I]

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[QUOTE=Collie]To be fair, Cartwright and Bison Dele, even Luc to some extent, were pretty [B]serviceable[/B].[/QUOTE]

What does that even mean?!? Sounds like you're a Sociology major.

[QUOTE=AK47DR91]I would say 70% of the Bulls success was because of Jordan. Th other 30% goes to Pippen, supporting cast and coaching staff.

You'll think that Pippen, Phil and the supporting cast would have been beaten Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, etc without Jordan?

In fact, I believe the Knicks took out the Bulls in '94 when MJ was playing minor league baseball..[/QUOTE]

SMH at this. Without Mr. "70%" the shift between the Knicks-Bulls in 94' versus 93' was a play or two here and there. Google Hue Hollins...Plus, since MJ retired at the last possible minute the Bulls had to replace him with a D-League scrub who was out the NBA for the previous 2 seasons. Imagine that team with a legit NBA starter; hell even a legit NBA 7th man at SG!

[QUOTE]The amount of Jordan hyperbolizing on this board has gotten out of hand. [/QUOTE]

He is now to basketball fans what Reagan is to conservative Republicans: not a historical figure like he should be but a demigod with a panpoly of myths surrounding him. Even things Jordan/Reagan did are things "X would never do" (i.e. amnesty for illegals in 86', having 5 losing seasons); things they did not do are things they "did" (compromise, win with scrubs, etc.).

[QUOTE]With exception to Pippen, Rodman and Kukoc the rest of Jordan's teammates were scrubs.[/QUOTE]

And? The same could be said about any elite team from the 90's. MJ's team was 2 games from the 1 seed without him and 51-21 when Pippen played (#2 in the league behind Seattle!). Enough said.

I don't see how Kobe is relevant to this thread but, while Kobe has no top 20 of all-time teammate like Jordan did, Kobe's team as a whole is more stacked than Jordan's. He has no Pippen but more options overall. Plus, his current team is more stacked relative to the L than Jordan's best teams.

Regarding MJ never having an elite center, and? You don't need that when you have the two best perimeter players of the era on the same team!

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]SMH at this. Without Mr. "70%" the shift between the Knicks-Bulls in 94' versus 93' was a play or two here and there. Google Hue Hollins...Plus, since MJ retired at the last possible minute the Bulls had to replace him with a D-League scrub who was out the NBA for the previous 2 seasons. Imagine that team with a legit NBA starter; hell even a legit NBA 7th man at SG!



He is now to basketball fans what Reagan is to conservative Republicans: not a historical figure like he should be but a demigod with a panpoly of myths surrounding him. Even things Jordan/Reagan did are things "X would never do" (i.e. amnesty for illegals in 86', having 5 losing seasons); things they did not do are things they "did" (compromise, win with scrubs, etc.).



And? The same could be said about any elite team from the 90's. MJ's team was 2 games from the 1 seed without him and 51-21 when Pippen played (#2 in the league behind Seattle!). Enough said.[/QUOTE]


Irrelevant. That 94 team had already added both Kerr and Kukoc, and the 93 team had coasted a bit during the regular season after the Olympics for both Pippen and Jordan.

Put Jordan on that 94 team coming off a championship, with Grant, Pippe, And ADDING Kerr and Kukoc, and we are talking 70 wins or so.

[QUOTE=Soothsayer]Irrelevant. That 94 team had already added both Kerr and Kukoc, and the 93 team had coasted a bit during the regular season after the Olympics for both Pippen and Jordan.[/QUOTE]

That is irrelevant. 55 wins. Even if we accept that with Jordan they would win 70 the fact is they remained an elite team without him. How can this be? They were scrubs, right? :roll:

Kerr averaged something like 3 points a game against the Knicks and was Orlando's 12th man the previous year. Kukoc played only 18 minutes a game and put up 9/4/3 in the playoffs. Is the argument that adding these players equals Mr. "70%"? That is strange...