He's toned down the MJ imitations A LOT in recent years....I really see no reason for the continued hate :confusedshrug:
Look over there! It's Lebron! GET HIM!!!
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He's toned down the MJ imitations A LOT in recent years....I really see no reason for the continued hate :confusedshrug:
Look over there! It's Lebron! GET HIM!!!
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[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]The fact that he doesn't get techs half of the time he deserves them just finishes it off.[/QUOTE]He was 4th in technical fouls last year with 14, trailing Sheed who was first (17 techs) by only 3. So you think he should have had 28 tech? GTFO!
He likes being the villain
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Kobe is a natural bad ass on the court, which is what made the 'scowl' so annoying. He doesn't need it. His overall on-court persona is intense/determined enough as it is because of his competitiveness.
Outside of that, his personality is very much contrived. The whole obsession with MJ and the unbelievably fake interviews where he tries to be 'one of the guys' - people can see right through it.[/QUOTE]
I think part of it is him trying to debunk misconceptions, and he might go a bit overboard. Some of it is him trying to shoot back at his critics, so he dramatizes certain things for emphasis.
I honestly feel bad for him, because no matter what he does or says, he won't satisfy everybody. But that's part of the problem with him as well.
Its good that he uses that as motivation, but dude.... don't over do it, it reeks insecurity at times.
A perfect example of this, is Kobe not shooting in certain games after being criticized by Phil. Its like he goes overboard with shit, like nobody told you NOT too shoot, just don't force the shots and pass it now and then. Instead he makes it a point to emphasize things.
If people want to compare him to MJ then here we go... MJ wouldn't have cared nor listened to Phil, and he would've kept shooting.
As MJ reportedly said after a game vs the Spurs.... "I'm the coach on the floor", after he disobeyed Phil's instructions but the Bulls got the W.
MJ cares more about winning, and that's all the matters to him.
Kobe would rather lose and make his point.
Not the Player. You can tell when he steps on the court, hes just focused on winning, he's not dancing taking pics or thinking what he's gonna do next or what hand shake he's gonna use.
But outside the court, looks like he's trying too hard that it comes off as fake.
BTW that article was so bias.
600 pst :applause:
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Kobe is a natural bad ass on the court, which is what made the 'scowl' so annoying. He doesn't need it. His overall on-court persona is VISUALLY intense/determined enough as it is because of his uber competitiveness.
Outside of that, his personality is very much contrived. The whole obsession with MJ and the unbelievably fake interviews where he tries to be 'one of the guys' - people can see right through it.[/QUOTE]
And worse of all.... it looks silly and un-intimidating.
Like you mentioned, his game is more intimidating than any of his silly scowls.
Remind me of Leo De Caprio trying to act tough.
[QUOTE=Phong]He was 4th in technical fouls last year with 14, trailing Sheed who was first (17 techs) by only 3. So you think he should have had 28 tech? GTFO![/QUOTE]
First of all, I'm hardly the only person to point out Kobe's constant whining. It's pretty clear as day. Secondly, if they called ALL the techs they should on him, then yes he should have considerably more.
Serious question, because I honestly can't get my mind around how some Kobe fans think. I'm a big fan of Wade. However, if he did all the obnoxious shyt Kobe did on the court and got away with it, I'd admit that he should be T'd up more.
Do you guys just not see anything he does? do you like put up a mental shield that doesn't allow you to EVER admit anything about him? I'm honestly curious because many other people notice his whining and theatrics that would get most players t'd up, but you don't. So we're just making it all up because we "hate" him, and he doesn't really do those things or what?
i think whats great is, at this point i doubt kobe gives a f*ck.
and honestly neither do i.
5 rings. thats all.
[QUOTE=andgar923][B]And worse of all.... it looks silly and un-intimidating.[/B]
Like you mentioned, his game is more intimidating than any of his silly scowls.
Remind me of Leo De Caprio trying to act tough.[/QUOTE]
That's the main thing. It would be one thing if it at least looked kind of cool or something, but not only does it come across as completely contrived, but he just looks stupid. Not tough. Not intense. Not competitive. Like a 12 yr old imitating what he thinks looks tough.
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]First of all, I'm hardly the only person to point out Kobe's constant whining. It's pretty clear as day. Secondly, if they called ALL the techs they should on him, then yes he should have considerably more.
Serious question, because I honestly can't get my mind around how some Kobe fans think. I'm a big fan of Wade. However, if he did all the obnoxious shyt Kobe did on the court and got away with it, I'd admit that he should be T'd up more.
Do you guys just not see anything he does? do you like put up a mental shield that doesn't allow you to EVER admit anything about him? I'm honestly curious because many other people notice his whining and theatrics that would get most players t'd up, but you don't. So we're just making it all up because we "hate" him, and he doesn't really do those things or what?[/QUOTE]
I've never seen a player of Kobe's caliber cry, whine and complain as much as he does... PERIOD.
YES.... every player and great player does it, but I guess he wants to be the GOAT at that as well.
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]First of all, I'm hardly the only person to point out Kobe's constant whining. It's pretty clear as day. Secondly, if they called ALL the techs they should on him, then yes he should have considerably more.
Serious question, because I honestly can't get my mind around how some Kobe fans think. I'm a big fan of Wade. However, if he did all the obnoxious shyt Kobe did on the court and got away with it, I'd admit that he should be T'd up more.
Do you guys just not see anything he does? do you like put up a mental shield that doesn't allow you to EVER admit anything about him? I'm honestly curious because many other people notice his whining and theatrics that would get most players t'd up, but you don't. So we're just making it all up because we "hate" him, and he doesn't really do those things or what?[/QUOTE]You not being the only one mentioning it doesn't mean that you are correct in your assessment that he constantly whines, and that his way of whining warrants more technicals.
From what I see he usually raises his hands and look at the refs with a "WTF" look on his face. This doesn't deserve a technical. If it does, every team would finish every games with all their starters ejected. Only when he starts cursing directly to the ref and swing his arm in discontent does he deserve a T.
You're just too blinded by your bias against him that you see everything he does in a bad light.
[QUOTE=Phong].
You're just too blinded but your bias against him that you see everything he does in a bad light.[/QUOTE]
And that same thing can be turned back at you that you minimize everything he does because of your bias.
I'm not just talking about raising your hands and looking at the ref. That's the kind of thing Duncan does, and shouldn't automatically deserve a tech. It's just annoying. (Yes, even in Duncan a player who I love. See, I can admit when a player I like does something annoying).
Bryant goes beyond that a lot of the time. Barking at the ref, being extra demonstrative beyond just throwing his hands up and looking at him, etc. I've seen him throw the ball and not get T'd up for it. He constantly severely pushes the envelope because he knows he can get away with it.
When you mix that with his "Hey" every time he gets stripped and looking for calls when he's clearly blocked almost EVERY TIME, it gives credence to the entitled nature that he has.
[QUOTE=KB2009Champ]i think whats great is, at this point i doubt kobe gives a f*ck.
and honestly neither do i.
5 rings. thats all.[/QUOTE]
No. He does give a f-ck, otherwise he wouldn't be the bitter a-hole that he is.
He even said it himself, he doesn't forget things.
But at the same time, all that bitterness does make him a winner but that's not the point of the thread though.
[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]And that same thing can be turned back at you that you minimize everything he does because of your bias. [/QUOTE]Unlike you I don't have a history of posting love/hate comments about Kobe. Go through my entire post history and tell me when I acted or defended Kobe like a di[B]c[/B]krider.
As for what you witness, if you don't have any specific proofs or examples that he [B]CONSTANTLY[/B] gets away with barking at refs during games, then your opinion is just that an opinion. And from what you have shown over the years, a pretty biased one when it comes to Kobe.
Maybe you can provide some tape showing him deserving 10 techs in the course of one game. :confusedshrug:
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I honestly feel bad for him...[/QUOTE]
No need to feel bad. I'm sure he could care less about what ISH thinks. :oldlol: