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[QUOTE=ashbelly]Can we also remove jordan years when he was playing for the wizards ?? :oldlol: Stop making excuses.[/QUOTE]
Nope because he was starting.
He's wasn't a 17 year old kid playing limited minutes because their were already 2 other established all-star guards on the team.
[QUOTE=tpols]What do you mean? Jordan never had a deadly 3 ball to the extent kobe has one. Kobe can go lights out with double digit 3 pointers in a game and that greatly helps in amassing a huge point total. Think about it. It's 50% more points with way less effort than driving or working out of the post. It's pretty much the reason kobe has had bigger scoring explosions than jordan.[/QUOTE]
Yet Kobe doesn't get 1/10 the respect Jordan gets and it eats you guys up inside.
Kobe can chuck away and get 81 points. The fact he needed to score that much against the worst team in the league in order to come back from 20 down just speaks for itself.
Jordan never scored over 70 because he never had to. Kobe got hot and went off for 81, Jordan cruised basically to 69, 18 boards, 6 assists 4 steals and 2 blocks.
Mikes big scoring games were effortless, or at least appeared so. It never seemed like he was chucking shots up. Kobe on theories hand, always looked like he was trying to score big by shooting 3 after 3. That shows he was more interested in his stats than he swathe outcome of the game. Take his double nickel game where he scored enough to get them in position to win, then gets the game winning ASSIST. That's something Kobe would never do because he would want the shot and thatsthe difference between these two players, in my opinion.
Kobe would have scored 100 eaisly against Craig Ehlo/Mark Price in double over time.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Yet Kobe doesn't get 1/10 the respect Jordan gets and it eats you guys up inside.
Kobe can chuck away and get 81 points. The fact he needed to score that much against the worst team in the league in order to come back from 20 down just speaks for itself.
Jordan never scored over 70 because he never had to. Kobe got hot and went off for 81, Jordan cruised basically to 69, 18 boards, 6 assists 4 steals and 2 blocks.
Mikes big scoring games were effortless, or at least appeared so. It never seemed like he was chucking shots up. Kobe on theories hand, always looked like he was trying to score big by shooting 3 after 3. That shows he was more interested in his stats than he swathe outcome of the game. Take his double nickel game where he scored enough to get them in position to win, then gets the game winning ASSIST. That's something Kobe would never do because he would want the shot and thatsthe difference between these two players, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I mean you can give your opinion on the matter and say [I]'jordan's scoring was effortless and flowed'[/I] while kobe [I]'had to force shot after shot'[/I] but thats really just your opinion and holds absolutely no water in any logical debate. Fact is kobe was smooth as butter from behind the 3pt line and he could set your team on fire on any given night. His 81 point game occured when his team was shooting piss poor from the field and he had to single handedly win the game. You can say all you want he was doing it for stats but in doing that you're doubting his thirst for victory and killer instinct, two things he has been known to have more than anyone else in his playing days and two aspects of his personality that have carried him to 5 rings. You can't really call it statpadding when he did it in a come from behind win. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=tpols]I mean you can give your opinion on the matter and say [I]'jordan's scoring was effortless and flowed'[/I] while kobe [I]'had to force shot after shot'[/I] but thats really just your opinion and holds absolutely no water in any logical debate. Fact is kobe was smooth as butter from behind the 3pt line and he could set your team on fire on any given night. His 81 point game occured when his team was shooting piss poor from the field and he had to single handedly win the game. You can say all you want he was doing it for stats but in doing that you're doubting his thirst for victory and killer instinct, two things he has been known to have more than anyone else in his playing days and two aspects of his personality that have carried him to 5 rings. You can't really call it statpadding when he did it in a come from behind win. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
That's youropinion. Not a fact.
[QUOTE=Doranku]Jordan is the GOAT, he can say whatever he wants about whoever he wants as far as I'm concerned. He's earned it.[/QUOTE]
He has earned the right to talk like an as*hole, sure. But he still sounds like one.
BTW, the article was bad indeed.
You can write that kind of shit and get a national audience?
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]That's youropinion. Not a fact.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm referencing the FACT that kobe did have bigger and better all-time scoring games than jordan and stating his 3pt shot as a reason for that FACT. You are just giving your opinion that kobe [I]forces shots[/I] and jordan made it look [I]effortless[/I].:no:
[QUOTE=tpols]No, I'm referencing the FACT that kobe did have bigger and better all-time scoring games than jordan and stating his 3pt shot as a reason for that FACT. You are just giving your opinion that kobe [I]forces shots[/I] and jordan made it look [I]effortless[/I].:no:[/QUOTE]
And I can give my opinion, just like you did based on the fact that I watched both players' entire careers.
Kobe had bigger scoring gamesthan Jordan, so what? Doesn't make him better than Jordan. It just means he scored a lot of points in some games. If you want to hang your hat on that, you have a pretty weak foundation to stand on, all but one of Kobe's really big scoring games came against weak competition and the other oneis against Dallas who was not known for being a defensive juggernaut. You're dancing into "my dad can beat up your dad" territory. You saying Jordan never broke 70 like he couldn't, just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't. He never had to.
Go with that if it helps you sleep at night I guess. Not a big deal to me. Jordan was a better player, more effective scorer, better all around, worlds better defender and all the numbers and awards back that up. But hey, Kobe scored 81 in a game, whoopie!!!!
How is Jordan being disrespectful to Kobe? If anything, he's being too kind.
[QUOTE=the_wise_one]How is Jordan being disrespectful to Kobe? If anything, he's being too kind.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm saying.
He didn't insult him in any way. But these Kobe groupies are all butt hurt because Jordan didn't say he was better than him. That wouldn't be true anyway, so what's the problem?
All Kobe fans thinks he's a top 5 or top one player. So that would automatically make him a top 10 guard. Where's the problem with that?
These Kobe groupies need to get over themselves. Seriously.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]That's what I'm saying.
He didn't insult him in any way. But these Kobe groupies are all butt hurt because Jordan didn't say he was better than him. That wouldn't be true anyway, so what's the problem?
All Kobe fans thinks he's a top 5 or top one player. So that would automatically make him a top 10 guard. Where's the problem with that?
These Kobe groupies need to get over themselves. Seriously.[/QUOTE]
i'm not a kobe groupie (not even really a fan), but you're plea copping...we both know what jordan meant when he said kobe is a top 10 guard of all time.
it's like saying hendrix is in the top 100 guitarists of all time. not untrue, but disrespectful nevertheless
[QUOTE=Extempo][url]http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5695896[/url]
:cheers: Love it.[/QUOTE]
Comparing Kobe to MJ is like comparing Aerosmith to the Stones. They're a good knockoff, but at the end of the day their still just a knockoff.
[QUOTE=tpols]What do you mean? Jordan never had a deadly 3 ball to the extent kobe has one. Kobe can go lights out with double digit 3 pointers in a game and that greatly helps in amassing a huge point total. Think about it. It's 50% more points with way less effort than driving or working out of the post. It's pretty much the reason kobe has had bigger scoring explosions than jordan.[/QUOTE]
In the regular season. Kobe's "style" works perfectly in the regular season. Not so much in the playoffs. The most explosive regular season scorer couldn't manage more than 50 points even once in 198 playoff games. And only scored 50 once. A dude that scored 81 points in a game...and 65 through 3 quarters in another isn't capable of topping 50 in the playoffs. Why is that?
MJ, a much less explosive scorer as has been proven on ISH, did this 6 times.
SInce MJ said he wouldn't have done what Lebron did, ESPN has occasional blog posts, articles, etc. taking little shots at him. It's gay. I'm sorry he doesn't worship Lebron but it's MJ. MJ STILL thinks he is the best, i mean right now. That type of delusion is common for all time greats.