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[QUOTE=RRR3]He outplayed Russell quite often. Team game don't give me that craap. It's not like wilt wasn't a winner either he proved he was later in his career when he became a team player[/QUOTE]
NINE more rings
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4....not 8 but NINE
rings matter A LOT :wtf: you smoking
[QUOTE=RRR3]Bollocks. Wilt is incredibly underrated these days. We can thank idiots like skip bayless for that. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
So what's the case ?
I don't listen to Bayless at all, but he doesn't have the best case to me.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]NINE more rings
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4....not 8 but NINE
rings matter A LOT :wtf: you smoking[/QUOTE]
So is Russell better than mj too?
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]So what's the case ?
I don't listen to Bayless at all, but he doesn't have the best case to me.[/QUOTE]
He dominated his era like few others in any sport from an individual standpoint he was a fantastic two-way player and he was capable of playing different roles I order to win. Iirc russell said wilt on the lakers played his role better than he ever had. High praise and Russell being as competitive as he is wouldn't just say that IMO.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]Don't get too excited about his rebounding
Wilt's Rebounding % from '71-'73 was 19.4
Dwight Howard averages a 21.0 rebounding % in his career[/QUOTE]
How many post-seasons did Howard grab over 40% of his team's rebounds, and as many as 47% of them.
How many rebounding titles did Howard win?
How many rebounding titles did Howard win by 5 rpg?
How many playoff series did Howard outrebound the second best rebounder in the league by 9 rpg?
How many games did Howard outrebound the second best rebounder in the league by a 55-19 margin?
I could go on, but Chamberlain was THE most dominant rebounder of all-time, AND, he ELEVATED his rebounding in the POST-SEASON.
[QUOTE=RRR3][B]So is Russell better than mj too?[/B]
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu[/QUOTE]
I've seen Russell been considered the GOAT many times on people's lists.
In 1980 when they selected the 35th Anniversary team, Russell was voted the greatest player ever.
Sure, Jordan comes up a lot, but I can see why they pick Russell over MJ.
[QUOTE=RRR3]So is Russell better than mj too?
Note: anyone about to freak out notice I didn't use the horry argument so please stfu[/QUOTE]
they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense
[QUOTE=RRR3]He dominated his era like few others in any sport from an individual standpoint he was a fantastic two-way player and he was capable of playing different roles I order to win. Iirc russell said wilt on the lakers played his role better than he ever had. High praise and Russell being as competitive as he is wouldn't just say that IMO.[/QUOTE]
Fair points, noted.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense[/QUOTE]
He said he didn't use the arguement, dude.
He used Russell, who is one of the few to me has a case for GOAT.
[QUOTE=jacobgoindum]they didnt play in the same era
and horry never made an all nba 1st team or 2nd team so save the nonsense[/QUOTE]
:hammerhead: :hammerhead:
Maybe I am underrating Wilt by saying he doesn't have the best case for GOAT, but IMO, he doesn't have the case over Jordan, Kareem, and call me out for it, Russell.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]I've seen Russell been considered the GOAT many times on people's lists.
In 1980 when they selected the 35th Anniversary team, Russell was voted the greatest player ever.
Sure, Jordan comes up a lot, but I can see why they pick Russell over MJ.[/QUOTE]
And yet we have H2H PLAYOFF series, virtually ALL of them, in which Russell was either outplayed, or downright POUNDED by Chamberlain. Furthermore, with FAR inferior rosters, and with those crappy players playing WORSE in the post-season, Chamberlain came within NINE points (margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points), in FOUR game SEVEN's, of holding a 5-3 TEAM edge over Russell's vaunted dynasty. And check out those "must-win" and "clinching games between the two. Russell held his own a couple, but Chamberlain generally dominated him.
[QUOTE=RRR3]He dominated his era like few others in any sport from an individual standpoint he was a fantastic two-way player and he was capable of playing different roles I order to win. Iirc russell said wilt on the lakers played his role better than he ever had. High praise and Russell being as competitive as he is wouldn't just say that IMO.[/QUOTE]
I've got no problem with someone ranking Chamberlain that highly. I guess I just think that he left a little too much on the table during his playing career for me to rank him over Kobe, who is guaranteed to always give you everything he's got.
I know it might seem a little ludicrous saying that Wilt Chamberlain, of all people, left too much on the table, but I honestly believe that he did. He's still the most dominant force in American sports history. But I'd rank Kobe higher on the GOAT list.
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]I've got no problem with someone ranking Chamberlain that highly. I guess I just think that he left a little too much on the table during his playing career for me to rank him over Kobe, who is guaranteed to always give you everything he's got.
I know it might seem a little ludicrous saying that Wilt Chamberlain, of all people, left too much on the table, but I honestly believe that he did. He's still the most dominant force in American sports history. But I'd rank Kobe higher on the GOAT list.[/QUOTE]
Read this...
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250076[/url]
[QUOTE=SuperPippen]I've got no problem with someone ranking Chamberlain that highly. I guess I just think that he left a little too much on the table during his playing career for me to rank him over Kobe, who is guaranteed to always give you everything he's got.
I know it might seem a little ludicrous saying that Wilt Chamberlain, of all people, left too much on the table, but I honestly believe that he did. He's still the most dominant force in American sports history. But I'd rank Kobe higher on the GOAT list.[/QUOTE]
You're either underrating wilt or overrating kobe. Or both. Let's not act like Kobe is some flawless playoff performer either not to mention wilt was a better defender.