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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wow, great post wink. This should put the TS nonsense to bed[/QUOTE]
Only when it doesn't benefit your argument.
Kobe's TS was higher in 04-05 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]27.6 PPG on 20.1 FGA[/SIZE][/B], plus he had [SIZE="5"]10.1 FTA[/SIZE].
It was lower in 08-09 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]26.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA[/SIZE][/B], plus he had [SIZE="5"]6.9 FTA[/SIZE].
It's that simple, [SIZE="5"]he took more shots and scored less points[/SIZE].
[QUOTE=bwink23]
If your shooting better in every aspect of scoring across the board....you were a better shooter that year, PERIOD>[/QUOTE]
TS% also factors in the amount of shots one has taken from the field including FTs. I know you don't like TS% so we can just agree to disagree in this case.
Kobe scored more points in '05 than he did in '09 with less FGA and more FTA. That's why his TS% was higher. Like I said, being a better scorer goes beyond just who scores more ppg and has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% though.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]because he takes 26 shots to score 28 pts
because he takes 30 shots to score 30 pts
because he has to take 32 shots to score 34 pts
its ridiculous for somebody labeled "shooting" guard.
His 44%FG is downright disguisting in an era he is barely touched.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]TS% also factors in the amount of shots one has taken from the field including FTs. I know you don't like TS% so we can just agree to disagree in this case.
[B]Kobe scored more points in '05 than he did in '09 with less FGA and more FTA[/B]. That's why his TS% was higher. Like I said, being a better scorer goes beyond just who scores more ppg and has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% though.[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY....which is why TS% is garbage, and has zero value in the real basketball world. You can't judge the ACCURACY of those shots by his TS%. ACCURACY >>>>>>>>> TS%, as it's not dependent on how the ref's call a game...There is a significant difference in Kobe's TS% pre-rule changes and post rule changes due to the amount of FT's he was getting...but he's always near a 83-85% FT shooter no matter how the game is called.
Like i said....you CAN NOT be considered a more efficient scorer when you shoot better in every category during the year...That's just STUPID>
[QUOTE=barnett114]It's because he can't do this.
Jordan: 1987-88 - 35.0 PPG / .535 FG%
Jordan: 1988-89 - 32.5 PPG / .538 FG%
Jordan: 1989-90 - 33.6 PPG / .526 FG%
Jordan: 1990-91 - 31.5 PPG / .539 FG%
via basketball-reference.com[/QUOTE]
Fixed, this is all you need. TS and eFG are useless stats that need not be included in any basketball discussion.
[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]TS% also factors in the amount of shots one has taken from the field including FTs. I know you don't like TS% so we can just agree to disagree in this case.
Kobe scored more points in '05 than he did in '09 with less FGA and more FTA. That's why his TS% was higher. Like I said, being a better scorer goes beyond just who scores more ppg and has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% though.[/QUOTE]
You want to tell me that kobe's worst FG% season EVER in his prime is OK just because the rules changes were dictating the amount of FT's he was getting.....:no:
:violin:
[QUOTE=bwink23]There's a reason why you will never hear analysts and announcers talk of TS% and stick with the %'s individually....cuz the individual %'s are far more practical and accurate in judging player and team shooting.
TS % is just some crap that Hollinger put together to lump all scoring aspects into one formula, without taken the WEIGHT of each metric into account. [SIZE="5"][B]Much like what he did with PER, which is also a complete joke of a stat.[/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]:rockon: :applause:
[SIZE="7"]eFG%!![/SIZE]
FG% should be BANNED.
1. Kobe is more efficient than people give him credit for.
2. Efficiency is overrated. How and when you score your points is far more important.
That is all.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Fixed, this is all you need. TS and eFG are useless stats that need not be included in any basketball discussion.[/QUOTE]
Once again, fail poster is fail.
If a dude had lines like:
35 PPG 48% FG
33 PPG 49% FG
31 PPG 50% FG
You're assuming those are "worse" than the Jordan lines you commented on?
What if he shot 100% of his shots from 3 point range? Looks a lot better than Jordan's lines now, doesn't it?
:facepalm at you ****ing luddites. Statistics and technology evolve. Evolve with them.
[QUOTE=bwink23]You want to tell me that kobe's worst FG% season EVER in his prime is OK just because the rules changes were dictating the amount of FT's he was getting.....:no:
:violin:[/QUOTE]
**** the freethrows.
Kobe's TS was higher in 04-05 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]27.6 PPG on 20.1 FGA[/SIZE][/B]
It was lower in 08-09 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]26.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA[/SIZE][/B]
It's that simple, [B][SIZE="5"]he took more shots and scored less points[/SIZE][/B].
[QUOTE=Droid101]Once again, fail poster is fail.
If a dude had lines like:
35 PPG 48% FG
33 PPG 49% FG
31 PPG 50% FG
You're assuming those are "worse" than the Jordan lines you commented on?
What if he shot 100% of his shots from 3 point range? Looks a lot better than Jordan's lines now, doesn't it?
:facepalm at you ****ing luddites. Statistics and technology evolve. Evolve with them.[/QUOTE]
Some one tells you player A has a TS% of 55%....player B = 54%...what can you gather from that??
[QUOTE=barnett114]**** the freethrows.
Kobe's TS was higher in 04-05 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]27.6 PPG on 20.1 FGA[/SIZE][/B]
It was lower in 08-09 because he scored [B][SIZE="5"]26.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA[/SIZE][/B]
[B]It's that simple, [B][SIZE="5"]he took more shots and scored less points[/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE][/B]
Yeah, cuz he wasn't getting the calls he was in 2005....:rolleyes:
Officiating was affecting his shooting, not his touch....get that straight.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Some one tells you player A has a TS% of 55%....player B = 54%...what can you gather from that??[/QUOTE]
Any number of things.
The main thing is, the dude with the 55% probably scored more points on less shots.......... WAS MORE EFFICIENT SCORING THE BASKETBALL
****ing A you people are dense.
[QUOTE=bwink23][/B]
Yeah, cuz he wasn't getting the calls he was in 2005....:rolleyes:
Officiating was affecting his shooting, not his touch....get that straight.[/QUOTE]
Calls? You realize that some players know how to draw fouls. Some players drive to the rim more (and get fouled more) where some players will stay behind the three point line and just shoot (getting fouled less).
Has nothing to do with "getting the calls." :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Considering all the all-time greats shot at a great percentage from the field... and he's in that conversation, things that like tend to come up.