Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali

Ya'll are crazy!!! Make no mistake, Ali could lay the SMACKDOWN on fools. I don't know where you guys are getting the idea that Ali was some feather-fisted point fighter. He had power, a GRANITE chin, blazing speed, height, reach, technique, HEART, and stamina for DAYS. He could bounce around for a whole fight, modern welterweights can't even do that.

Ali stopped Sonny Liston. SONNY LISTON. Think Tyson, but taller, bigger, and physically stronger.

Ali took bombs and stopped George Forman. GEORGE FOREMAN!!! Think Tyson, but taller, bigger, physically stronger, and a HARDER PUNCHER than Tyson EVER was. Arguably the hardest puncher of all time.

Ali stopped Joe Frazier. JOE FRAZIER. One of the toughest SOB's in the history of mankind.

Tyson isn't beating Ali.

Let's put it this way, Ali has been hit harder than Tyson could ever hit him, has withstood more pressure than Tyson could ever put on him, has had his heart, stamina, and toughness tested harder than Tyson ever would be able to, faced multiple fighters that were simply better than Tyson, and didn't only survive, he WON.

Tyson literally has no way to win. Ali makes Tyson give up and stops him eventually.

[QUOTE=DonD13]I love Mike but he's terribly overrated. No way he would have a chance against Ali. Ali would jab the shit out of him.
He has pretty much no meaningful win in his record and got beat in his prime by some cab driver.
His fans are as stupid as it gets. 'if he would have trained', 'if he would be focused', if he would have done this and that... :blah

common man, I would be a hw champ if I would have trained and would be focused and so on[/QUOTE]

This. Ali would definitely keep his distance. If they went toe to toe, I see Tyson blowing Ali but Ali was a smart fighter and wouldn't fight him like that.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]This. Ali would definitely keep his distance. If they went toe to toe, I see Tyson blowing Ali but Ali was a smart fighter and wouldn't fight him like that.[/QUOTE]

Tyson wouldn't even win a toe to toe match with Ali. If Foreman couldn't take Ali out like that, Tyson has a 0% chance.

[QUOTE=lefthook00]Tyson wouldn't even win a toe to toe match with Ali. If Foreman couldn't take Ali out like that, Tyson has a 0% chance.[/QUOTE]

Ali didn't go toe to toe, he wore Foreman down. Ali would do the same with Tyson.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]Ali didn't go toe to toe, he wore Foreman down. Ali would do the same with Tyson.[/QUOTE]

He rope-a-doped him, but a lot of that was trading punch for punch. What I meant was that Ali ate all of Foreman's shots, many of them flush, and he didn't get stopped, and Tyson hits no where near as hard as Foreman.

[QUOTE=lefthook00]He rope-a-doped him, but a lot of that was trading punch for punch. What I meant was that Ali ate all of Foreman's shots, many of them flush, and he didn't get stopped, and Tyson hits no where near as hard as Foreman.[/QUOTE]

IDK, Foreman was a beast of a man and overall Foreman probably had more power but Tyson's left hook was pretty nasty.

[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]IDK, Foreman was a beast of a man and overall Foreman probably had more power but Tyson's left hook was pretty nasty.[/QUOTE]
Yea I feel like Foreman hit harder than Tyson but he didnt have near the quickness or explosive ability.. and thats what knocks people out. Foreman was a giant that just heaved bombs right through people's guards but Tyson was a weaver who would duck in and throw shots that were less predictable imo. His left hook would come out of nowhere and if Ali took one unexpected hit to the jaw from 80s mike he would drop.

Whether Foreman power was better than Tyson is irrelevant. Ali would not stand toe to toe with Mike Tyson and trade power shots. Ali beat fighters with his skills, not brawling in the middle of the ring to see who would be the first to kiss canvas. This aint Mickey Ward vs Gatti.

If you turn this fight into who wins toe to toe testing power and chins? This gives Tyson a chance to win. Yes Ali has eaten power shots from greats. But he aint eating them often, no man is. Toe to toe countering one another plays into Tysons hands more than Ali. Tyson hit hard. Tyson was quick and explosive. And a prime Tyson was accurate with his shots. He wouldnt just hit Ali with hooks, he'd follow it up with sharp uppercuts as well.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Whether Foreman power was better than Tyson is irrelevant. Ali would not stand toe to toe with Mike Tyson and trade power shots. Ali beat fighters with his skills, not brawling in the middle of the ring to see who would be the first to kiss canvas. This aint Mickey Ward vs Gatti.

If you turn this fight into who wins toe to toe testing power and chins? This gives Tyson a chance to win. Yes Ali has eaten power shots from greats. But he aint eating them often, no man is. Toe to toe countering one another plays into Tysons hands more than Ali. Tyson hit hard. Tyson was quick and explosive. And a prime Tyson was accurate with his shots. He wouldnt just hit Ali with hooks, he'd follow it up with sharp uppercuts as well.[/QUOTE]
Ali would treat Mike the same way he treated Joe Frazier.. call him stupid and belittle his intelligence and patience and try to toy with him, etc. But we all saw Frazier stand toe to toe with Ali and even beat him. Frazier and Mike arent all that different. Both shorter quicker power hitters with crazy hooks.. except Tyson was scarier and hit even more ferociously. He probably couldnt last as long as Joe but I think prime Mike could overwhelm Ali.. hed have to have his best corner from the 80s with him to give him patience but its possible. People acting like Ali would just breeze through it are kidding themselves.

Goddamnit can we talk about Jack Johnson or Sugar Ray Robinson or Lennox instead.

Yes they are the most memorable/charismatic motherf*kkers in all of boxing.

But by golly there's been at least ten threads on this

Ali man, easy question.

For those of you saying Mike was in his prime when he lost to Douglas, that's really not anywhere near the truth. He very clearly was not.

[QUOTE=Carbine]For those of you saying Mike was in his prime when he lost to Douglas, that's really not anywhere near the truth. He very clearly was not.[/QUOTE]

I swear Tyson's 'prime' gets shorter and shorter every time he's discussed here. Pretty soon it'll be revealed that his prime was one glorious summer in 1985 when Cus was still alive, Rooney was still in his corner, he hadn't raped anyone recently, the stars were aligned in his birth sign, etc. :lol

Ali hands down. Too long, too quick, too much heart and most of all too smart. Tyson never beat anyone good in his whole career. Beating Frank Bruno and an old, scared Michael Spinks does not impress me. Holyfield and Lennox showed what Tyson lacked in composure and smarts. I'd bet everything i owned on Ali.

its clear Tyson had no discipline after he left Rooney. his RL went to shit too. it seemed to me like he tried way harder to act/look tougher without the behind the scenes work at that point. there is no way the latter Tyson against the big names was anything close to the early Tyson, and most people remember him for the latter years, like i said the ear biting, face tattooed crap.