Yes. Keep calling everyone idiots, Budadiiii. That will convince them!
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Yes. Keep calling everyone idiots, Budadiiii. That will convince them!
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Yes. Keep calling everyone idiots, Budadiiii. That will convince them![/QUOTE]
I'll let the rings convince them. Watch the level Russell plays at in the playoffs this year and then come talk to me. Don't worry, I'll be sure to bump this thread in June.
Most of you will make an excuse for Irving saying his team sucks yada yada yada.
That will be his excuse for his whole career. This guy won't win a thing.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Wait... so you're only judging these guys based on half of a season?
Idiot confirmed.[/QUOTE]
No i'm judging based off the fact that in the past 4 years WB hasn't shown that he can do anything better than Kyrie has shown in a year and a half.
Also, I'm going to go ahead and claim that if Kyrie & WB switched roles in the finals last year that OKC would have a ring.
There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for WB taking 120FGA in the finals and Durant only taking 104FGA.
Durant averaged [B]31ppg on 56%[/B] in the finals.
Westbrook averaged [B]27ppg on 43%[/B]
Westbrook shot 16 more times than Durant in the finals and made 5 less shots.
If OKC had a point guard who was able to realize that 31ppg on 56%> 27ppg on 43% they might have won more than 1 game in the finals.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]I'll let the rings convince them. Watch the level Russell plays at in the playoffs this year and then come talk to me. Don't worry, I'll be sure to bump this thread in June.
Most of you will make an excuse for Irving saying his team sucks yada yada yada.
That will be his excuse for his whole career. This guy won't win a thing.[/QUOTE]
Replace Irving with Westbrick and the Cavs still are terrible. They also would have almost no one to spread the floor with Westbrick.
The only thing that makes me question my decision a little bit is the fact that Kyrie seems to be injury prone while Westbrook is an ironman. Still, though, I'm taking Kyrie. Dude is 20 years old and is already one of the most composed/clutch player in the league.
kyrie wins easily, westbrook is just a scoring pg that shoots 40% with the inability to run your offense. the thunder would have at least 2 rings if they had paul, rose, williams or rondo.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Replace Irving with Westbrick and the Cavs still are terrible. They also would have almost no one to spread the floor with Westbrick.[/QUOTE]
Westbrook is a winner. He does everything it takes to win. Just stop it, Kyrie has no where near the physical/mental attributes Westbrook has. No where near the level of will power. Kyrie is a wimp compared to WB. Irving hasn't proved shit expect for the fact that he can expend all his energy on offense(while also getting burned equally on defense) and lead his team to one of the worst records in the league. This dude will always be a loser, plain and simple.
I know winners, and I know losers.
Irving isn't winning anything either as "the guy" or a second option. He's a ****ing loser and will continue to drop pretty impressive scoring numbers on lottery teams. Sorry, it just doesn't impress me. What Westbrook is doing is on another level, he plays with much more expectations/pressure and teams play OKC so much harder than they play the Cavs. I like winners. Give me WB.
Irving over Francis/Marbury with lower IQ, I mean Westbrick. Poor Durant has to carry this guy night in and night out and still Westbrick shoots more shots than the BEST SCORER IN THE NBA. What the **** is wrong with this guy shoots dumbass shots never passes to wide open Durant in transition instead pulls up with 2 guys guarding him and BRICKS.
You keep saying Westbrook is a winner, okay he has the best player in the league and some of the best defensive players in the league. If you swapped him and Irving Westbrook would shoot like 35% FG, he shoots 41% with the ****ing best player in the universe right now getting attention. Kyrie as a 19/20 year old already shoots a higher percentage from EVERYWHERE FT 3PT FG, on top of that he has no one on his team to take any pressure off him, Westbrook will never shoot percentages like that for his whole career.
GIVE ME MR. 4TH QUARTER ALL DAY.
Why do you keep bringing up the finals? The Heat have already said their strategy was to let Westbrook do his thing and keep Durant out of the game, they knew if they let low IQ Westbrook get what he wanted and took everyone else out of the game they would win and it worked perfectly, this guy is a retard on the court I don't even understand how his IQ is so low.
Westbrook is overrated as hell. I'd like to see him try to carry a team on his own.
Irving any day
[QUOTE=brandonislegend]Irving over Francis/Marbury with lower IQ, I mean Westbrick. Poor Durant has to carry this guy night in and night out and still Westbrick shoots more shots than the BEST SCORER IN THE NBA. What the **** is wrong with this guy shoots dumbass shots never passes to wide open Durant in transition instead pulls up with 2 guys guarding him and BRICKS.
You keep saying Westbrook is a winner, o[B]kay he has the best player in the league[/B] and some of the best defensive players in the league. If you swapped him and Irving Westbrook would shoot like 35% FG, he shoots 41% with the ****ing best player in the universe right now getting attention. Kyrie as a 19/20 year old already shoots a higher percentage from EVERYWHERE FT 3PT FG, on top of that he has no one on his team to take any pressure off him, Westbrook will never shoot percentages like that for his whole career.
GIVE ME MR. 4TH QUARTER ALL DAY.[/QUOTE]
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Really like both players...neither is a bad guy to start your franchise with. But I'll go with Uncle Drew just because i think Westbrook relies more on his athleticism and that will fade over time. If I had to win a ball-game today...right now... I might go Westbrook, but Irving has already shown that he's very good in late game situations.
Difficult to call since Kyrie's shooting %s are so outstanding. I think Westbrook would be able to carry a team by himself to the playoffs (though they would never win with him as lead dog). However, I think Kyrie actually has potential to win as lead dog. It would have to be a team set up like the 2000s Pistons though.
edit: I think Kyrie is the choice though since he seems like more of a leader who brings his teammates up whenever he speaks. Also, he has that killer drive to get better and the guts to go against the best (see USA vids of him and Kobe).
the logic of everyone :
give me the 20 year old who is guaranteed to have at least 20 wins a season :rockon:
whatever, enjoy your 20 win seasons kyrie.
westbrook on the cavs would equal more wins in a weak east, i dont care if he has dion waiters or gee. when westbrook played without durant (granted its not a big sample), he led them to 3-1 and this was before ibaka could hit a jumper. westbrook was let loose, had like a 40 pt, 15 reb, 9 assist game in a win. but thats ok, you have a 20 year old that can be clutch in the 20 wins he wins a year. oh yeah, and he likes taking games off with injury. what's not to like about that?????? :bowdown:
Kyrie.
Wasn't a dfficult decision for me.