Explain to me why Rose didn't deserve the 2011 MVP

Never understood the supposed "controversy" over his award. He was definitely the best candidate. Clutch, consistent, playing at a high level (Bulls were a low scoring, slow team mind you). Only other argument I see is for Lebron, personally. What Rose did for a beat up Bulls team was MVP quality and he was huge in so many late game situations.

Dwight's team regressed from the previous two seasons, despite his individual improvement, and it's hard to think of him as an MVP that year (his scoring likely didn't stand out from the likes of Griffin, Dirk, and Amare). People were sometimes calling Tony Parker "MVP" this past season, yet Rose in 2011 carried much more of a load for a 62-win team. Rose played 800+ minutes than Parker, scored 600+ more points, dished 100+ more assists, took 200+ free throws, and knocked down 100+ threes.

[quote]"Once again, I think they have got the MVP of the league. That kid has come into his own. He has matured quite a bit. When he came into the league, everybody said he had speed, he could get to the rim, but he can't shoot. Now he can shoot—the three, as well as pull-up shots. He has very few flaws. I'm pretty sure the next thing they are going to say is that he doesn't play good defense, or he can't handle a double-team. Time will tell. The kid works hard and I think he's a great piece for this franchise to rebuild with."
-- Michael Jordan on Derrick Rose

"Chicago's Derrick Rose is clearly the MVP in my mind. I've had the opportunity to watch him play every night and I'm very high on the way he's developed as a leader. Now, his team is playing towards a 60-win season. He's been spectacular."
-- Scottie Pippen on Derrick Rose

"Derrick has been tremendous down the stretch of games. What separates him from the other contenders for MVP is when you look at the Bulls' overall success. His winning attitude has become contagious. He's made great strides defensively, giving the same effort on that end of the floor as he does offensively. He gets better every night because he's so competitive. He stepped up on defense and his team has followed. That's the definition of leadership."
-- Scottie Pippen on Derrick Rose

"Derrick is playing extremely well. He's definitely probably the MVP of this league. This guy had 30 (points) and 17 (assists against Milwaukee on March 26). He can affect this game by scoring and also by his teammates. He is just going to get better, which is going to be a lot of fun to watch. I think he has all of the tools to be one of the best that played the game."
-- 10-time NBA All-Star Jason Kidd

"Derrick has been phenomenal this year. He continues to grow. He's not only a terrific athlete, but he has turned into a terrific basketball player and he's a great kid. He's a willing learner [and] teammate, and I have nothing but great things to say about him."
-- Two-time MVP (2005, 2006) and seven-time NBA All-Star Steve Nash

"He has stepped up and is now one of the best players in the league. I think he is a worthy MVP this year. But regardless, he's a terrific player and will have a sensational career."
-- Two-time MVP (2005, 2006) and seven-time NBA All-Star Steve Nash

"LeBron has won the last two [MVP awards]. He is my teammate, but Derrick has had a phenomenal season. Just looking at what he has done with the team and their record, how improved they are as a team and how much improved he is as a player. I think it's close, but I think I would give it to Derrick if I were a voter."
-- Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh

"He's playing well, like he's the best point guard in the league and the best player in the league. He's the most valuable player if you really think about it. If you take him out of the lineup, there is no telling what you get."
-- Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh

"Derrick is having a great year. I don't have a vote, but of course Derrick is one of the guys who is a front-runner. He's got to finish out this year strong. Of course, I believe LeBron is a front-runner as well. Those two guys are the leaders of the MVP run. I'm going to be biased and choose my teammate. There's no question about it."
-- Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade

"Like I always keep saying, with team success comes individual accolades. D-Rose is having an unbelievable season. He's doing everything and more to help this team be a contender. There is no way you can mention the MVP race without mentioning his name."
-- Miami Heat forward LeBron James

"I think the sky is the limit for him. You see now just with the improvement he's made off his jump shot from last year to this year how much his game has really gone to another level. I think he's just scratching the surface. He's realizing now what a jump shot can do. Hopefully, he'll continue to work on it and become a pure shooter."
-- Five-time NBA champion and 2008 NBA MVP Kobe Bryant

"Derrick Rose isn't so much a name as a sentence. As in: Derrick Rose in the NBA three years ago and hasn't stopped since. He's my MVP so far, not just for the way he's carried the limping Chicago Bulls the way Penn's carried Teller. And not just for the way he jumps like a frog bred with a kangaroo. And not just for the way he scores, defends and passes like every game is a one-day tryout."
-- 11-time National Sportswriter of the Year Rick Reilly, ESPN.com

"Hard working, good looking, no chest thumping, and modest demeanor; just a class act. All of that on top of his phenomenal play. He has taken a monster leap this year. What's really great about him is that he seems to love the pressure in putting his team on his back. He has the character and the demeanor to do that. Superstars have that character and leadership gene."
-- San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich

"I would imagine that just out of the blue that Derrick Rose is going to be the guy. That team is what, first in the East right now, or tied? He's literally vaulted that team up on his shoulders by [Carlos] Boozer being out the first month and a half or so. I would say just on pure ‘one guy', individually, he's probably going to get a lot of votes."
-- Los Angeles Lakers head coach Phil Jackson

"I think [it's] Derrick Rose. What he's done for that team, with all the injuries they have and them being first in the Eastern Conference -- they're playing some really good basketball."
-- LeBron James

"Right now, statistically, it's probably one of the best years I've had. But we'll see. The media kind of controls it. You've got some guys here that have done their job also. At one point, I thought Dirk [Nowitzki] was also [worthy] until he got hurt. But Derrick Rose definitely has gotten a lot of the exposure and a lot of the media attention because of the work he's done. He's playing some unbelievable basketball."
-- LeBron James

"You look at what he's done with his team, it's tough to argue D-Rose isn't the MVP."
-- Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Love[/quote]

[url]http://www.nba.com/bulls/d-rose-mvp.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Heavincent]I don't really care that much about the award either, but I just think it's funny how people on here think it was blasphemous that Rose won it.[/QUOTE]


It's not a "best player in the NBA" award anymore (not that it ever really was), so there are probably 8-10 players in the NBA capable of winning the award. Rose is certainly in that group of capable candidates if the Bulls perform well, and I wasn't surprised one bit that he won the award in 2011.

[QUOTE=poido123]:cheers: Not worth getting a headache over.

I'm just pumped to see a new season of basketball, this offseason is killing me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, i don't remember the league being this stacked since... well, can't remember.

We're going to have:

West

OKC
Clippers
Spurs
Rockets
Warriors
Memphis

East

Miami
Bulls
Indiana
Brooklyn
Knicks


And interesting teams like Detroit, Washington, Cleveland, Minnesota... going to be a great season.

Thanks for arguing without being offensive, i appreciate it.

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I don't understand your first comment, but ok. The biggest reason why Rose won it is because he had the best record in the NBA.

Rose wasn't the best player in the NBA in 2011. The MVP doesn't always go to the best player in the league or LeBron would have won in 2011. I don't have a problem with Rose getting the MVP. He was a young new star, and the media credited him for leading his team to the best record in the NBA. He was not better than LeBron or Howard. The award goes to the most [B]valuable[/B] player, and Rose clearly made big plays and helped win them many games with big shots and plays.

Now whether Howard was more valuable to the Magic than Rose was to the Bulls is a legitimate argument, but Rose deserved it.[/QUOTE]


I might of misinterpreted your post. Sorry.

Opinion is who people think was the best player in any given year. The fact is, that sportswriters and broadcasters and a small element of online fans vote the MVP, so there's always going to be controversial choices of an MVP. The other fact is, Rose met the criteria of all previous MVP's who had been voted MVP.

It gets pretty silly when people start saying he is undeserving of MVP, when really they should be questioning the validity of the MVP award.

[QUOTE]Of course nobody complained as it was happening, because the narrative was unfolding. But when you look at it now, objectively and with perspective, most would agree that Jordan should have won.

Not that Barkley was undeserving, but that Jordan should have taken the trophy. Same in 2006, the narrative was:

"Nash makes everyone better, amazing teammate, unselfish, blah blah blah..."

But when anybody with good basketball knowledge looks at Nash's MVPs now, we know that Shaq should have won in 2005, and Kobe in 2006.[/QUOTE]

So people not having a problem with it had a less clear and objective view seeing it live than people looking back 20 years with the knowledge of how it would play out?

Naaaaaaaah.

Ive been a bulls fan since Reggie theus. Ive never had s problem with 93.

97? yes.

93?

Made sense. what happened in the finals has nothing to do with it. Few thought Barkley was better than Jordan before the finals anyway. Wasnt really the issue.

Bulls had an off year and MJ didnt look his best. Scored his ass off in a lot of unusually tough wins and ugly losses. I think that was the year he took 50 shots to score 64 and lose to the Magic. Wasnt the peak of the dynasty days.

He deserved all he won...plus 97. Ive never been mad about others. could argue him in the late 80s some of those years but really? Nobody got snubbed.

The argument doesn't exist, like big foot, because he was the best player in that particular season to win the award within context of everything else. Only argument can be made for Dwight.

[QUOTE=poido123]I might of misinterpreted your post. Sorry.

Opinion is who people think was the best player in any given year. The fact is, that sportswriters and broadcasters and a small element of online fans vote the MVP, so there's always going to be controversial choices of an MVP. The other fact is, Rose met the criteria of all previous MVP's who had been vote MVP.

It gets pretty silly when people start saying he is undeserving of MVP, when really they should be questioning the validity of the MVP award.[/QUOTE]

The MVP goes to the most valuable player. It doesn't always go to the best player. That is why people say LeBron does not deserve to win the last two MVPs because if you take LeBron off the Heat they are still a great team. However, his FG% continued to improve every year, things like that 6 game streak with 30 points and 60%, and all of his clutch plays for the team were too good to pass. It will be difficult for LeBron to win the MVP this year because it will be hard to top what he did last year. They look for new faces, but besides in 2011, there really wasn't any legitimate argument of picking somebody else over Lebron.

There's no such thing as MVP worthy. You were either the best that season or you weren't. Kevin Durants runner up season was better than many other players MVP seasons, but it doesn't matter. It wasn't "MVP worthy either" because there happened to be a guy that had an even better season.

That's like saying running the 100m in 9.84 is "gold medal worthy". Not if someone else ran a 9.79 it isn't. You just say "I'd be ok with either of them getting the gold. They're both deserving".

[QUOTE=NumberSix]There's no such thing as MVP worthy. You were either the best that season or you weren't. Kevin Durants runner up season was better than many other players MVP seasons, but it doesn't matter. It wasn't "MVP worthy either" because there happened to be a guy that had an even better season.

That's like saying running the 100m in 9.84 is "gold medal worthy". Not if someone else ran a 9.79 it isn't. You just say "I'd be ok with either of them getting the gold. They're both deserving".[/QUOTE]


Then question the award system, not the player who was awarded MVP.

[QUOTE=poido123]Since 1982-83, every player who has won the award has had a .610 winning percentage team or better, except for the two lockout shortened seasons. Which means, that the award is heavily in favour of a player who leads a team with a great wins column.

Whether you believe Rose to be the best player that year or not, this one determining factor is the reason why the best player on a team with a great wins record has won the MVP.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but Rose and Iverson are also the only MVPs ever who shot under 45%.

Rose and Nash are the only MVPs to not even be top 10 in player efficiency-that season.

There seems to only be 1 single argument for rose to be the MVP and its that the Bulls had the best record. Pretty weak reasoning.

Based on the criteria that the voters use, Rose was the MVP. It's that simple. There really should be a seperate award for "Most Outstanding Player" or something along those lines that is based strictly on individual performance rather than team success.

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]The MVP goes to the most valuable player. It doesn't always go to the best player. That is why people say LeBron does not deserve to win the last two MVPs because if you take LeBron off the Heat they are still a great team. However, his FG% continued to improve every year, things like that 6 game streak with 30 points and 60%, and all of his clutch plays for the team were too good to pass. It will be difficult for LeBron to win the MVP this year because it will be hard to top what he did last year. They look for new faces, but besides in 2011, there really wasn't any legitimate argument of picking somebody else over Lebron.[/QUOTE]


I don't hold MVP's in high regard when it comes to a players legacy. Not all MVP's go on to win championships, or become the best player in the league.

I would much rather see an end of season MVP award. An accumulation of the whole season including the playoffs. So change it from a regular season MVP to a full season MVP where you can see a player's full body of work. Perhaps there can be a criteria where a player can only be awarded an MVP if they MAKE the playoffs.

Just an idea, won't happen though I don't think...

Rose deserved it in 2011, deal with it. If the MVP were given to the best player in the NBA, Jordan would have 10 MVPs and Shaq would have 5 or 6...

[QUOTE=poido123]I don't hold MVP's in high regard when it comes to a players legacy. Not all MVP's go on to win championships, or become the best player in the league.

I would much rather see an end of season MVP award. An accumulation of the whole season including the playoffs. So change it from a regular season MVP to a full season MVP where you can see a player's full body of work. Perhaps there can be a criteria where a player can only be awarded an MVP if they MAKE the playoffs.

Just an idea, won't happen though I don't think...[/QUOTE]
I agree.

[QUOTE=bdreason][B]It's not a "best player in the NBA" award anymore [/B](not that it ever really was), so there are probably 8-10 players in the NBA capable of winning the award. Rose is certainly in that group of capable candidates if the Bulls perform well, and I wasn't surprised one bit that he won the award in 2011.[/QUOTE]
No, it's the "best player of the season award"

People misunderstand the meaning of "best player". It means who was the best player of that 1 season. Thats all. LeBron is the best player in general, but another player could have a better season. That would be the "best player" for that season.