Maybe one day but he aint a first ballot by any means. Had some good years in phoenix and was a big part of their success with nash and amare.
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Maybe one day but he aint a first ballot by any means. Had some good years in phoenix and was a big part of their success with nash and amare.
Player who could legitimately guard all 5 positions. Also had the stats to back up his case.
1st ballot when it's all said and done.
This caught me off-guard.
Of course he isn't, who are thosee people - like a poster above - telling us that he is? :eek:
I think he deserve to be in. When he was with the Suns, he was the one who could beat you.
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[QUOTE=moaz]I think he deserve to be in. When he was with the Suns, he was the one who could beat you.
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Just in the first page of this thread:
HOoopCityJones [B]Jan 2014[/B] 62 posts
Cold soul [B]Jan 2014[/B] 33 posts
SugarHill [B] Jan 2014[/B] 102 posts
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Judging by the consensus that he should be in,
Stop congradulating your alts.:lol
[QUOTE=kNIOKAS]Judging by the consensus that he should be in,
Stop congradulating your alts.:lol[/QUOTE]
oh busted :pimp:
actually, I just can figure out how can you write so many posts in such short time. I need time to write any real post and its usually a Mavs topic or something in of topic. but it is really some mental work so I admire :lol the devotion some posters have to this forum. Some even with multiple accounts :bowdown:.
No
if you factor in the talent level that is needed to achieve his numbers and percentages without the ability to perform a real basketball shot, it's a lock.
[QUOTE=Scal]Simply put no.
Marion was great back in his Suns days, [B]but his stats were slightly inflated on those teams due to[/B] pace and [B]playing alongside such a great play maker in Nash[/B]. He was perfect for those teams because of his versatility though. But Nash and Stoudamire were the main guys on that team, and you could argue that the outside shooters (Richardson, Johnson, Bell, etc.) were just as important because they helped create so much room for the PnR.
Was very valuable in that '11 Mavs run, but Dirk (obviously), Terry and Chandler were all far more valuable. On the Mavs you see Marion being a non-threat offensively, standing in the corner. Still solid, but you were never worried about him taking over a game.
People seem too trigger happy in sending guys into the Hall. For me, glorified role players (the Horry/7-ring defense) shouldn't be there. I want guys who were MVP candidates, multiple All-star appearances and All-NBA nominations, over multiple seasons. Marion just doesn't fit that.[/QUOTE]
Firstly regarding the bolded, Marion did just as well with Marbury at the point.
Also Marion was one of the outside shooters at that point and Suns didn't fall off much without STAT.
And Horry is in no way analagous to Marion. Horry at his best was an above average starter. Marion got some MVP votes (not many of course), 4 time all-star, 2 time 3rd team all NBA, and that arguably undersells him.
It fine to say he isn't your idea of what a HOF-er should be, but looks who actually gets in: e.g. Chris Mullin based off a 4 year peak and being on the Dream Team, Rodman a very good specialist/role player but a role player nonetheless (2 ASG, 2 3rd team All-NBA), those are the big names of the class of '11, in '12 it was Ralph Sampson who started well but only regressed in the pros and was finished as even semi-notable within 3 years. Marion is at least at that standard.
My stance would be that he deserves to be in (not a clear cut easy in, but in) though I'm not sure he will get in, and he won't get in quickly.
He's a role player that wasn't even special at that. He wasn't great at anything to be honest.
He was basically Cedric Ceballos 2.0 with better defense and athleticism.
[QUOTE=andgar923]He's a role player that wasn't even special at that. He wasn't great at anything to be honest.
He was basically Cedric Ceballos 2.0 with better defense and athleticism.[/QUOTE]
Apex Ceballos put up close to 2 points every three minutes on strong percentages. Like Marion he was a good rebounder especially for a 3.
Combine that with with strong, versatile D (including steals and blocks) and a longer prime and that's not chopped liver.
Admittedly Marion was never quite as potent a scorer as apex Ceballos, but that package (%s, rebounds, blocks, steals, runs the floor, versatile etc) whether hypothetical improved Ceballos (high volume scorer) or Marion (high-mid volume scorer) combing all that together is very, very rare and highly valuable.
[QUOTE=Owl]Apex Ceballos put up close to 2 points every three minutes on strong percentages. Like Marion he was a good rebounder especially for a 3.
Combine that with with strong, versatile D (including steals and blocks) and a longer prime and that's not chopped liver.
Admittedly Marion was never quite as potent a scorer as apex Ceballos, but that package (%s, rebounds, blocks, steals, runs the floor, versatile etc) whether hypothetical improved Ceballos (high volume scorer) or Marion (high-mid volume scorer) combing all that together is very, very rare and highly valuable.[/QUOTE]
But neither is a HOFer.
[QUOTE=andgar923]But neither is a HOFer.[/QUOTE]
Role players? Yes, role players usually find themselves on all-nba teams. They usually become all-stars, multiple times at that. They usually do 20/10 seasons. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=FrobeShaw]Role players? Yes, role players usually find themselves on all-nba teams. They usually become all-stars, multiple times at that. They usually do 20/10 seasons. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but is that HOF worthy?
NO
HOFers are their team's leaders, more than not they're 'franchise' players. At worse, they've been a huge part in their team's role to win a number of championships or maintain their level at the top on a very consistent basis. Cedric and Shawn are good at what they do, neither of them are as great as say Rodman.
So in short, Marion's name and HOF shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
[QUOTE=andgar923]Yeah, but is that HOF worthy?
NO
[B]HOFers are their team's leaders, more than not they're 'franchise' players. At worse, they've been a huge part in their team's role to win a number of championships or maintain their level at the top on a very consistent basis. [/B]Cedric and Shawn are good at what they do, neither of them are as great as say Rodman.
So in short, Marion's name and HOF shouldn't even be in the same sentence.[/QUOTE]
Go look at the damn HoF before talking out of your ass. Perhaps you'll be surprised at the names.