Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Ok, you're getting into absurd revisionist history now.
LeBron had 33/11/4 on 60% in game 4. "not showing up" :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
And even with that he was at sub 50% TS going into the 4th qtr of game 6 for the series.
And...Wade/Bosh were playing much worse. And so was Chalmers.
And the difference was simple....the 11 Mavs don't let Lebron go off...especially when there is no prime Wade to worry about.
You have to give them Mavs at least some credit for holding down Lebron and winning a series in which Wade was getting points left and right on high efficiency and running around playing great defense.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=nba_55]game 1: 18 pts, 18 rbs and 10 assists
game 4: 33 pts, 11 rbs, 4 assists[/QUOTE]
Only with Lebron would 18-18-10 be considered a shit game. :oldlol:
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=nba_55]game 1: 18 pts, 18 rbs and 10 assists
game 4: 33 pts, 11 rbs, 4 assists[/QUOTE]
And he had nice games/moments against Dallas as well.
And Lebron was actually shooting demonstrably worse in that series as well...
Everyone just ignores it because of the 4th in game 6 and game 7.
and again...you have to give the Mavs credit. we took Lebron out of that series by shading and doubling him on nearly every touch. The spurs couldn't do that I guess. Pop hates doing that...and they paid the price for it to end the series.
The Mavs were able to do that with a prime ****ing wade lurking...the Spurs didn't have to worry about that all. Hence...they just weren't as good as the Mavs.
The Mavs vs the 13 Spurs is kind of silly. Parker was injured. Manu was playing horribly. And the Mavs would have the best player in the series, by far, Terry was on fire....and we had a great supporting cast with guys Marion, Kidd, Chandler, and Barea.
There is no way a hobbled Spurs team with Manu slumping and Green going ice cold in the two biggest games is beating the 11 Mavs.
Nor is an injured and slumping Heat team with a declined Wade/Bosh/Chalmers.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Nah man...the 11 Heat are criminally under-rated here. [B]They played better defense than you are giving them credit for as well.[/B]
You could say the exact same thing in reverse about Wade/Bosh in 13...and Lebron was struggling through the first 6 or so games even with his game 4.[/QUOTE]
I'll give you that. The 2011 Heat are easily the best defense of the last 4 years.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=JT123]Only with Lebron would 18-18-10 be considered a shit game. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
That like a typical all time great Magic Johnson game minus LeBron's defensive impact.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I mean, whats not to get? Nobody is saying Lebron "wasn't part of the team".. It's just...he choked. IF dude plays like his NORMAL superstar self, that Miami team wins.
People forget, but every game in that series, the margin of error was small....which makes Lebron's performance in that series that much worse.[/QUOTE]
He choked because he wasn't good enough to take the pressure at that time. 2011 Lebron was the worst version of Lebron that Heat had. He wasn't tough mentally.
If you use the normal superstar self argument for Lebron in 11, then you should also use it for Wade and Bosh in 2012 and 2013. They weren't their normal superstar self those years.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]And he had nice games/moments against Dallas as well.
And Lebron was actually shooting demonstrably worse in that series as well...
Everyone just ignores it because of the 4th in game 6 and game 7.[/QUOTE]
He had a tough shooting series. It's not the same thing as "not showing up".
It happens. It's better then the 41% Michael "never missed a shot" Jordan averaged in the 1996 finals. When does anyone accuse Jordan of "not showing up" in the 1996 finals?
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]And he had nice games/moments against Dallas as well.
And Lebron was actually shooting demonstrably worse in that series as well...
Everyone just ignores it because of the 4th in game 6 and game 7.
and again...you have to give the Mavs credit. we took Lebron out of that series by shading and doubling him on nearly every touch. The spurs couldn't do that I guess. Pop hates doing that...and they paid the price for it to end the series.
The Mavs were able to do that with a prime ****ing wade lurking...the Spurs didn't have to worry about that all. Hence...they just weren't as good as the Mavs.
The Mavs vs the 13 Spurs is kind of silly. Parker was injured. Manu was playing horribly. And the Mavs would have the best player in the series, by far, Terry was on fire....and we had a great supporting cast with guys Marion, Kidd, Chandler, and Barea.
There is no way a hobbled Spurs team with Manu slumping and Green going ice cold in the two biggest games is beating the 11 Mavs.
Nor is an injured and slumping Heat team with a declined Wade/Bosh/Chalmers.[/QUOTE]
Why all that text ? You said he didn't show up for 5.75 games. 18/18/10 and 33/11/4 is not showing up and i don't know what it is.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=nba_55]Why all that text ? You said he didn't show up for 5.75 games. 18/18/10 and 33/11/4 is not showing up and i don't know what it is.[/QUOTE]
If you play mediocre in game 5, you were bad all 5 games up to that point.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]And even with that he was at sub 50% TS going into the 4th qtr of game 6 for the series.
[B]And...Wade/Bosh were playing much worse. And so was Chalmers.
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And the difference was simple....the 11 Mavs don't let Lebron go off...especially when there is no prime Wade to worry about.
You have to give them Mavs at least some credit for holding down Lebron and winning a series in which Wade was getting points left and right on high efficiency and running around playing great defense.[/QUOTE]
Battier, Miller, Birdman, Cole, Lebron all played better in 2013. Why do you only mention Wade, Bosh and Chalmers?
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=nba_55]He choked because he wasn't good enough to take the pressure at that time. 2011 Lebron was the worst version of Lebron that Heat had. He wasn't tough mentally.
If you use the normal superstar self argument for Lebron in 11, then you should also use it for Wade and Bosh in 2012 and 2013. They weren't their normal superstar self those years.[/QUOTE]
Yep.. which is why I said the Heat in 2011 were the best version. Both Bosh and Wade were playing at a HIGH level. Not just Lebron circa 2012 and 2013
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=NumberSix]If you play mediocre in game 5, you were bad all 5 games up to that point.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how members in this forum leave and change important aspects of history to fit their agendas. Like some members completely ignore game 1 and game 4 of Lebron in 2013, and they tell that he didn't show up for 5.75 games. Others completely ignores the fact that Lebron was part of the team in 2011 to make it seem like 2011 Heat wasn't the best version of that team. They also ignore all the roles players like Battier, Miller, Birdman, Allen, Cole, Haslem who played huge parts in 2012 and 2013 championships.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Yep.. which is why I said the Heat in 2011 were the best version. Both Bosh and Wade were playing at a HIGH level. Not just Lebron circa 2012 and 2013[/QUOTE]
But Lebron and the other roles players apart from Chalmers weren't playing at a high level in 2011. Even Bosh didn't play at a HIGH level in 2011 finals. 18.5 ppg on 41% isn't that good.
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
[QUOTE=nba_55]But Lebron and the other roles players apart from Chalmers weren't playing at a high level in 2011. Even Bosh didn't play at a HIGH level in 2011 finals. 18.5 ppg on 41% isn't that good.[/QUOTE]
You posting just his PPG numbers doesn't say very much.
It boils down to this..
LeBron and a few role players playing at a high level
or
Wade and Bosh with one or two role players at a high level
Given the competition, I'm still going Heat in '11
Re: Both Bosh & LeBron say the 2014 Spurs are the best team they have ever played against
2013 heat was the best version of the team while this year team was the worst